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[dawk1977]

If the eagles end up with the 3rd pick in the draft, what is proper compensation for a trade down?  Say someone is at 10 and want to trade up.  Would two 2nd round picks and a 4th be proper compensation for 3 be worth while?  It seems a bit low to me.  Now if Saint louis called and offered there two first and a 4th, that would be good.  It just seems lately in mocks we get screwed in value coming back.  Washington gave up a boat load to get rg3.  On the other hand dallas gave up nothing to get their CB.  What is fair?

[pgcd3]

Without a franchise QB there for the taking you'll get much less. An extra 1 maybe depending on the slot

[phillygrump]

Claiborne was't a top 5 pick. I think it depends on how hyped Smith and Barkley become after the combine. If they shoot up and become close to what RGIII's hype is the pick should be more valuable.

I doubt you'll get the same kind of compensation Washington got, but a first and 2 seconds is not unreasonable.

[KzEaglefan86]

There used to be a value chart that was used as a guide to help determine the value of picks, but it seems that's outdated and no longer used.  Basically, I think it's impossible to answer that question without first going through the combine and predraft workouts and seeing which prospects shine.  The Rams got incredible value out of the number 2 pick last season because RG3 became a highly sought after commodity after his predraft workouts and there were a bunch of QB needy teams trying to get into position to draft him.

If two teams fall in love with a player that's projected to go three, they could end up in a bidding war and we could reap the benefits.  If, however, the draft is weaker and no prospects are worth breaking the bank over, #3 overall could have very little value.

[EaglesCB37]

Going back to last year's draft, the Rams were in position to draft either Matt Kalil, Justin Blackmon, or Morris Claiborne. When they traded down with Washington, Justin Blackmon was the only one they had a shot at, but Jacksonville skipped ahead of them to pick Blackmon. Then, St. Louis traded down again (with Dallas) and grabbed Michael Brockers. They later obtained Janoris Jenkins in the 2nd round. Now, their biggest needs would seem to be a #1 receiver, LT, and SLB. If they wanted to move up to obtain Luke Jockel or Manti Te'o, we would be a great trading partner as picking after us is Carolina, San Diego, and Cleveland; all potential landing spots for those prospects (Joeckel to the first two and Te'o to Cleveland). I think the #4 in exchange for the #15 and #17 would be fair, then we would be in position to take players like Xavier Rhodes, Johnthan Banks, Taylor Lewan, and Eric Reid.

[aziatic77]

What is fair is what both parties agree is equal/fair compensation. In any trade in economics, and in life, both parties must feel good when they walk away from a transaction or a transaction will not have taken place.

If the Patriots offer their 1st thru 3rd low-round picks for the Eagles single 3rd overall pick (the Patriots feel their offer is fair and the Eagles see equal/fair value in that offer), then the trade is "proper". If the Eagles want more or the Pats want to give less then it's not equal, they keep playing the game, find someone else to play with, or don't play at all. Simple as that. Unless they are pulling obvious shenanigans (trading the 31st pick for the 1st pick and thats all) then the league will politely tell them to cut that ish out.

[WetFerret]

The way this year is going, we'd get a cold cup a coffee and kick to the nads.

[odin8888]

• Wes Hopkins 2nd round
  
• Andre Waters 1st round
  
• Dawkinis 5th round

We need people that can cover and HIT in the backfield. New NFL rules limit the effect,
but we cannot have opposing wide receivers running open without fear of getting their block knocked off with this pillsbury dough defense.

[Baynit]

Yea its really too early to say how much we could get for it if in fact we decieded to trade down.  You all know how these GM's go nuts over these workout warriors they see at the combine.  So its hard to say how much someone or a couple of someones might get hyped up come April and how badly some team wants to move up..

[Season Tickets]

While as another poster said it is not widely used anymore here is the draft value chart to give you an idea of what fair value is....

http://www.draftcoun...Value-Chart.php

[inhumanehuman]

Everyone is really down on the talent in this year's draft. I'd say wait and see what these players bring to their pro days and combine before completely brushing off the class. You won't understand pick values until you understand player potential, and how they are projected to fall in the draft. If were sitting on Matt Barkley at 3-5 and a desperate team (Raiders, Browns with new staff, etc.) really wants him, then we will receive more compensation than whats considered "normal".

Besides, there's still 4 weeks left. There's no telling what pick this team ends up with. It's top 10, but theres' a hell of a difference between 1 and 10.

[eaglesboy12]

I just hope that a bunch of guys emerge after the combine with huge hype and the eagles get hammered with offers, and someone comes in with a redskin type deal and drops us no further than mid-pack.

[blkhonda1991]

i sure hope we find someone to trade down with who will sell the farm so we can stock up on more potential early talent vs blowing our load on 1 pick

[phil77]

Every draft pick should go to drafting offensive linemen.   Every pick.   I don't care how many picks we have.

[eglz1]

blkhonda1991, on 04 December 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

i sure hope we find someone to trade down with who will sell the farm so we can stock up on more potential early talent vs blowing our load on 1 pick

That's my thought.  There are enough weaknesses on this team that more picks>>one top 5 pick.  Depending on how the rest of the season goes, don't worry about a 'franchise' quarterback this year.  See how things play out and if Foles truly sucks,  they'll have another high pick next year.  It's likely gonna take at least one season to become competitive again anyway.

[weko]

EaglesCB37, on 04 December 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Going back to last year's draft, the Rams were in position to draft either Matt Kalil, Justin Blackmon, or Morris Claiborne. When they traded down with Washington, Justin Blackmon was the only one they had a shot at, but Jacksonville skipped ahead of them to pick Blackmon. Then, St. Louis traded down again (with Dallas) and grabbed Michael Brockers. They later obtained Janoris Jenkins in the 2nd round. Now, their biggest needs would seem to be a #1 receiver, LT, and SLB. If they wanted to move up to obtain Luke Jockel or Manti Te'o, we would be a great trading partner as picking after us is Carolina, San Diego, and Cleveland; all potential landing spots for those prospects (Joeckel to the first two and Te'o to Cleveland). I think the #4 in exchange for the #15 and #17 would be fair, then we would be in position to take players like Xavier Rhodes, Johnthan Banks, Taylor Lewan, and Eric Reid.

The thought has crossed my mind that the Rams may be willing to give up a 1st round pick for Jackson.  We have to get bigger all through the line up.  Maclin is a nice player but we need a big #1/1A WR to complement him.  The Rams are constantly looking to upgrade the WRs for Bradford.  Could be a good trade for both teams...

[odin8888]

phil77, on 04 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Every draft pick should go to drafting offensive linemen.   Every pick.   I don't care how many picks we have.

I agree somewhat, but I also regard safety pretty high need, maybe not early first, but if I see a hot safety, I pick one available mid first to later rounds... A hitter than can cover!

[blackskimmer]

Well this year there are stud linebackers and Tackles that can step in and be difference makers, they will all be top ten talent.  There are no super sexy QB picks but the talent is there, dont let people fool you.  But we can easily grab probowl possible talent and guys you build your defense around or Oline around where we are going to draft.

  I for one would LOVE another Peters or even a Patrick Willis type player on this team wouldnt you?

[NWMontana]

The combine will throw a wrench into any kind of early spec.....

[dawk1977]

weko, on 04 December 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

The thought has crossed my mind that the Rams may be willing to give up a 1st round pick for Jackson.  We have to get bigger all through the line up.  Maclin is a nice player but we need a big #1/1A WR to complement him.  The Rams are constantly looking to upgrade the WRs for Bradford.  Could be a good trade for both teams...

If I am going to trade jackson to saint louis, it would be for brockers.  He was my favorite DT last year.

[italianmafia23]

odin8888, on 04 December 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

• Wes Hopkins 2nd round
  
• Andre Waters 1st round
  
• Dawkinis 5th round

We need people that can cover and HIT in the backfield. New NFL rules limit the effect,
but we cannot have opposing wide receivers running open without fear of getting their block knocked off with this pillsbury dough defense.

2nd round, actually. Late 2nd.

[Golfesv]

If we have a top five pick why not just take Joeckel to beef up the O-line, unless you trade back and pick up Warmack and with a second first round pick get DJ Fluker!!

[Casey @ bat]

odin8888, on 04 December 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

• Wes Hopkins 2nd round
  
• Andre Waters 1st round
  
• Dawkinis 5th round

We need people that can cover and HIT in the backfield. New NFL rules limit the effect,
but we cannot have opposing wide receivers running open without fear of getting their block knocked off with this pillsbury dough defense.

Waters, Hopkins, Dawkins all terrific safety's for the Eagles. Of course, you might want to actually be "in the ballpark" on what round each of these guys were drafted.

[FranklinFldEBUpper]

Casey @ bat, on 15 December 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Waters, Hopkins, Dawkins all terrific safety's for the Eagles. Of course, you might want to actually be "in the ballpark" on what round each of these guys were drafted.

Yeah, Waters wasn't even drafted. Undrafted free agent.

[dawk1977]

This is my dream trade. I have gotten flamed for adding to much but I will keep it simple.  Our first 3# to STL for michael brockers, pick 14 in the first and a 5th round pick.

[Robbieb77]

dawk1977, on 18 December 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

This is my dream trade. I have gotten flamed for adding to much but I will keep it simple.  Our first 3# to STL for michael brockers, pick 14 in the first and a 5th round pick.

I'd take that but have a hard time believing STL woud trade Brockers.

[morphius12812003]

Proper compensation?

More questions than answers

1) How far back is the team trading up to #3
2) What is that team trading up for, a franchise QB (which there are not many superb standouts this year)?
3) What players are on your (The Eagles) board, that you absolutely want/ would settle for?
4) How many primary positions are we (Eagles) looking to fill?
5) What is the typical value of the pick from previous seasons?
6) What have players picked at #3 typically produced on the long-run, vs. players picked at 6-15.

There are REASONS why someone is picking so low in the draft, and that usually reflects several positions that are weak; so initial analysis would suggest to try to get the most value out of each pick.  However, draft wizards will also tell you that most players picked in the Top 5 are Day 1 difference makers, franchise builders, and potential Pro-Bowl caliber players.  After pick #5, then window gets considerably smaller for that type of production.  Have you ever heard of the phrase: better a bird in the hand then three in the bush?  I prefer actually picking the players with that high of a pick, rather than trading out.  Later on in the draft (picks 10-32) are a little more flexible in getting more value (more picks), because some teams are willing to take a risk that their choice will benefit > cost.

[morphius12812003]

I really see 5 elite quality draft picks this year in Order:
1) Luke Joeckel
2) Star Lotulelei
3) Manti Te'o
4) Chance Warmack
5) Jarvis Jones

Beyond that it starts getting more debatable for me.  IF we passed on the chance to pick any one of those players I would be absolutely stunned.  Any one of those 5 would be a day 1 starter for us.  And, depending on who it was, would actually free us up to trade some players for more picks (at DT or LB).

I have said in other topics I prefer Manti over Joeckel, so I stick with that preference, but really any of those top 5 would be great.

[MCoster]

morphius12812003, on 21 December 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

I really see 5 elite quality draft picks this year in Order:
1) Luke Joeckel
2) Star Lotulelei
3) Manti Te'o
4) Chance Warmack
5) Jarvis Jones

Beyond that it starts getting more debatable for me.  IF we passed on the chance to pick any one of those players I would be absolutely stunned.  Any one of those 5 would be a day 1 starter for us.  And, depending on who it was, would actually free us up to trade some players for more picks (at DT or LB).

I have said in other topics I prefer Manti over Joeckel, so I stick with that preference, but really any of those top 5 would be great.

Thats the top 5 I have except geno instead of warmack. Warmack is obviously the better prospect but look at david decastro, who was viewed as the best guard in years and fell to 20. The position isn't that important. And while geno may only be like 15, he is the best at the most important position. Either way, they need that impact player.

[evilwaldo]

You draft spot is worth whatever someone will pay for it in draft picks.