48 replies to this topic

[BillTheButcher]

Whats good?

[cmart102]

Do people really want a lame duck coach next year? What's the point?

[ChimpKelly]

6-5 in Andy's favor

People must be drinking tonight

[Intel Division]

I want a proven winner.  I want Reid back and hopefully he signs an extension.

I don't want Steve Spurrier, I don't want Nick Saban, and I don't want Mike Leech.  These guys can't coach grown men, only little kids.

[The_Talon]

I just posted this in another thread, but I guess it works here too.

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if Reid gets truly involved in coaching again (and not leaving it to assistants), stays away from scrambling quarterbacks and creates a sense of offensive balance, drafts players at positions of needs, stays away from small "fastballs" that where down over the course of the season, uses players to their strengths, learns to make proper in-game adjustments, and develops good clock management skills, there's no one else I'd rather have than Reid.


I know. I'm asking for the impossible

that being said. I'd be fine with what ever decision Lurie makes. If the above can't (or won't) happen, it's time for a change.

[BillTheButcher]

theres some actual real andy reid support.


nice.


Lets get more votes.

[IHateDemCowboys]

I voted "Fire" because I want Reid to be put out of his misery. These post game conferences are painful to watch. He doesn't deserve to go out like this, but it has to be done.

[skipsharp]

Time to let go of the banky, kids.

There are at least 25 NFL teams that are better than the Eagles and all did it without Andy. There are lots of good coaches out there we just have to find the right one.
AR had a good run but let's move on.

[PolkaDotPants]

I believe that Andy Reid is a good coach but sometimes it's necessary to bring in new blood to energize the locker room. It's a tough situation though. Injuries derailed this team and to top it seems like they are undisciplined to boot.

[kb420]

Fire Andy Reid Now! ¡No más!

[biglou22]

Here is why Andy is getting some STAY votes. And it's really pretty basic.

1 - unfortunately history says that the chance of the new coach coming in a being better then Reid almost doesn't exist and fans know that.
2 - flat out fans are afraid of change.

For me,,,,, the biggest Reid supporter on here ??? If he stayed it wouldn't be the end of the world to me.
But I believe it is time to move on. Not becuase he is a bad coach. Like I have said over and over and over, IT IS 100% IMPOSSIBLE to be considered a bad coach after winning all those games, winning all those division titles, getting to the playoffs all those times, winning all those playoff games and getting to 5 NFFCGs and 1 SB.
Simply impossible to be a bad coach and do that.
Can yo be a bad coach and get lucky once in awhile ??? Absolutely. But you can't be a bad coach and constantl;y win and get to the playoffs.
Yes his last 2 years have been a complete debacle. It is what it is.
While his 1st 2 times he rebuilt the team it worked and was a great success his 3rd go round failed miserably.

Why he changed how he did things for so long is still baffling to me. But it likely cost him his job.
Why after hardly getting involved in the failed entity known as free agency since he has been here did he go crazy with it 2 years ago ???????????/
Why after usually hiring within and promoting within did he go outside the organization for all these coaches all of a sudden ??
His last 2 years make no sense to me. Specifically 2 years ago. Everything he did then was completely opposite of what he had done and what brought him all that success.

[time2rock]

Intel Division, on 04 December 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

I want a proven winner.  I want Reid back and hopefully he signs an extension.

I don't want Steve Spurrier, I don't want Nick Saban, and I don't want Mike Leech.  These guys can't coach grown men, only little kids.

Never realized those were the ONLY 3 options available for consideration.

[NWMontana]

I wish Coach Reid the best in all his future indevors.......

[AceofSpades]

The issue at hand is that the team has stopped responding to Reid. His message has gone stale and the team need to be re-energized. It still hurts to think about how Jon Runyan said he can tell everybody what Reid would say in every possible situation. That tells me all I need to know right there about how Reid's trying to get a message across to this team. When says the same thing in every press conference that should tell you that Runyan was telling the truth.

[biglou22]

AceofSpades, on 05 December 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

The issue at hand is that the team has stopped responding to Reid. His message has gone stale and the team need to be re-energized. It still hurts to think about how Jon Runyan said he can tell everybody what Reid would say in every possible situation. That tells me all I need to know right there about how Reid's trying to get a message across to this team. When says the same thing in every press conference that should tell you that Runyan was telling the truth.

Geez, I would hope that Runyan could. he was around Reid enough.
Of course if you are around someone long enough you are going to know what they say and do. That's pretty much how life works.
If Runyan said he would have NO CLUE, then that would be an issue.

[The_Talon]

biglou22, on 05 December 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Geez, I would hope that Runyan could. he was around Reid enough.
Of course if you are around someone long enough you are going to know what they say and do. That's pretty much how life works.
If Runyan said he would have NO CLUE, then that would be an issue.

the point the poster is making is that when the same redundant message is being played and it's not working, the players start to tune it out. If Reid isn't leading in a way that causes others to follow, you have a problem. We have talent. We have some depth issues, and our defense flat out sucks with the exception of a few pieces here and there, but for the most part it seems more like players have stopped giving 100% as opposed to being God awful. There is a difference.

[AceofSpades]

The_Talon, on 05 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

the point the poster is making is that when the same redundant message is being played and it's not working, the players start to tune it out. If Reid isn't leading in a way that causes others to follow, you have a problem. We have talent. We have some depth issues, and our defense flat out sucks with the exception of a few pieces here and there, but for the most part it seems more like players have stopped giving 100% as opposed to being God awful. There is a difference.

This is it exactly.

[joespadaro]

I voted fire, and not sure how this is close

[NocturnalPoisoning]

40% of you have severe battered fan syndrome. He'll change... one of these days, right?

[RAWSKI45]

The_Talon, on 05 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

the point the poster is making is that when the same redundant message is being played and it's not working, the players start to tune it out. If Reid isn't leading in a way that causes others to follow, you have a problem. We have talent. We have some depth issues, and our defense flat out sucks with the exception of a few pieces here and there, but for the most part it seems more like players have stopped giving 100% as opposed to being God awful. There is a difference.

How many different things can you say about ANYTHING in all sports.... When you lose everyone says the same stuff, 'we got outplayed today.... or we need to work harder... etc'

What do you want a HC to say? Start blaming the player who fumbled? Blame the players for missing a tackles? A kicker for missing a field goal? These are all things that lead a team to lose a game. The FACT is the other team is getting paid to win too and sometimes even when you are a better team you lose!

[greenskeeper]

1) find delorean

2) travel back to second consecutive cowboy loss, fire AR

[kb420]

I can't believe he got 35 votes to finish his contract.  What would be the point of bringing him back?

[Dylan8]

Fire. No Super Bowl, plus, I've never understood why he doesn't adjust his play calling.

[BillTheButcher]

wow 37 votes, impressive, respect!

[BillTheButcher]

if anyone has not voted, step up and vote!

[AceofSpades]

I believe the reason people are saying let him finish his contract is actually 2 fold.

1) They think Reid can somehow "turn things around" and do what's necessary to win the Super Bowl next year. They think that Reid can just fix it all in 1 season. They're stuck on past success and think things are the same as they were years ago and would be able to show up & walk to 10 wins. Not the case anymore. In some aspects Reid still has not adjusted to what goes on in the NFL.

2) They're so comfortable with Reid they're scared of anything else. They think that Reid's the only person that can coach this team. They act like anybody else that would come in would mean the Eagles are gonna look like the Bills & Lions of years past. They begin to think like the guys on ESPN, NFL Network and the other NFL forums and think Eagles fans are clueless for wanting him gone. Those people think that since they cover the Eagles for a few minutes a day or whatever that they know better than the fans.

I do have a problem with those who are pro Reid that act like nobody else can coach the team or that the team is guaranteed to struggle if they replace him. You have the right to support whoever you want as coach. I believe it's time to replace him because his message, his approach, his philosophies, and all of that are outdated and stale. It's time for a fresh voice in the organization. It's time for fresh ideas and new philosophies with the team. 14 years in 1 situation is a long time to be anywhere but there comes a time when change is better for both sides. The team obviously hasn't been the same since the loss of some coaches (not just Jim Johnson). They haven't done as good a job replacing personnel (players & coaches) as some may think and that falls squarely on Reid since he oversees it all.

[odin8888]

Ivote Finish contract.. who are you gong to bring in thats better? and he deserves a shot to finish his contract,, whether it was poor coaching, and personal life problems and free agency and coaching mistakes... he brought us many winning seasons, most in history... correct????

Yesterday, the players played hard for him and the team! Another coaching quality, that has been missing of late

So I vote finish contract!

[AceofSpades]

odin8888, on 10 December 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

Ivote Finish contract.. who are you gong to bring in thats better? and he deserves a shot to finish his contract,, whether it was poor coaching, and personal life problems and free agency and coaching mistakes... he brought us many winning seasons, most in history... correct????

Yesterday, the players played hard for him and the team! Another coaching quality, that has been missing of late

So I vote finish contract!

This is what I'm talking about. Why not give somebody else a chance to prove what they can do? People get so wrapped up in names that they don't wanna look at other coaches. People want that instant satisfaction when it comes to the coach. They want immediate guaranteed success. I have a serious problem with that. I appreciate all that's been done for the franchise since he was hired, but my feeling is it's time for a change because of the failures year in and year out. He put these teams together but couldn't close the deal. That's what the Eagles need to be able to do. To me since Reid's gained more control things have gone downhill. They had chance to capitalize and couldn't do it.

[joegus]

Tired of posting the same thing over and over ....,,
See my other posts on this.

[jxhend4]

Reid's biggest mistake(s) the past 2 seasons was not players...it was his decisions with coaches he hired around him.  The offense worked just fine with Marty and Castillo together.  He has not been able to find a viable replacement for JJ on the defensive side and that has been the biggest downfall.  He thought Castillo could go over to that side and coach those guys up.  At the end of the day, that move hurt both sides of the ball.  Marty's offense has struggled in Mudd's o-line system....and Castillo struggled calling games.  Castillo is a heck of a coach but he should've switched to a position coach on defense before being put at the top.  You couple that with that idiot Washburn that he had to deal with and it was a disaster.  The players aren't going to respond in that situation.  I'm perfectly ok with Reid staying but a few things need to happen.....either bring Castillo back as o-line coach or someone that runs the same system if you insist on keeping Marty around.  Honestly....if Norv gets canned in San Diego....I'd can Marty and bring in Norv.  On defense, the entire staff needs to be replaced in my opinion.  Those guys have not played with any urgency...they're consistently in the wrong place on the field.  Get someone that will get the players to respond and hold them accountable.  We have a TON of young talented players and Reid is a VERY good coach.  He needs to revamp his staff and if there are veteran players on this roster that don't want to play along...then cut them.  Get rid of everyone in that locker room that's not on board.