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Vick 2 JMac, on 05 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

BigLou,  Andy Reid is the Head Coach.  He has a final say in everything and letting someone else bring in bad coaches and players is just as bad as bringing them in yourself.  Lurie respects Andy's word over Roseman's seeing that Andy has been in the league for over a decade and has had success while Roseman is a newbie.  If Andy wanted a different coach he would have got him.  Your argument is invalid.

Reid is also the Executive VP of Football Operations, over Howie.  It's Lurie, then Reid, then Howie.  If Lurie has wanted Howie to get more control and power, that would be a recent change.  But Reid IS the Philadelphia Eagles.  He decides everything related to the football side.

[greend]

Intel Division, on 05 December 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

He's a speculating fan like the rest of us.

yup

[NCTANK]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 05 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

the legitimate justification for keeping Andy Reid has run out.   I appreciate the good years he gave us,  I wish him well,   and I'd certainly never make personal attacks on him like some do,   but its clearly time to go in another direction.

If Lurie keeps him,  he is out of touch with reality and stuck in 2004.  This team is just going nowhere under him anymore and my God he can't coach here forever.

well said

[NOTW]

Tommy's a fan who aspires to be a sports writer.   The Eagles organization noticed his writing enough to actually feature him on their main PhiladelphiaEagles.com website.  He's had articles posted there.  He's also developed a following where many fans appreciate his input and research and enjoy reading his opinion.  No need to knock him down.

The rest of us can't say that.  He's still a fan, and still just a guy with an opinion.  Just like any sports writer or broadcaster we don't always agree with them and they often don't know anything either and are just speculating, analyzing and giving their take.  Do Sal Pal, Eskin, Bowen or any other journalist really know what goes on behind Novacare?

[ManchesterEagle]

I've been a huge fan of Reid and think he has taken some really unfair criticism on this board. He had us dominating the east for most of his time but didn't get the breaks to win the big one (sure looked to me like the Pats knew what was coming in the second half of that superbowl).

With all that being said he needs to go now, for him as much as for the team. He has struggled recently and his defensive co-ordinator decisions have been dreadful. Yes the injuries have been bad this year, but a good team gets by.

I really would like to see him given the chance to walk away under his own steam. He lost his kid this year which is something that you hope nobody has to go through. I think he needs a year out of the game but would like to see him go with pride.

[eephraim]

The_Talon, on 05 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I think a lot of it depends on what happens over the course of the next few weeks. If AR shows progress with young players, and Foles progresses as well, and the defense starts playing better football now that the stupid Wide 9 is gone (I'm sure it's a fine system when used on a situational basis) under Bowles, there's no reason to NOT bring AR back.

Vick, on the other hand, God bless him, but I don't think he's got it anymore. This season wasn't a fair shake for him considering we have an awful, injury depleted offensive line, and I can't help but believe that if Marty broke down the offense a bit earlier and implemented a sense of balance (as they do every time the scrambling QB's are injured) he would have had a better season. But I just don't think he's the long term answer. At this point I'm willing to run with Foles, Trent Edwards, and someone else, either via FA or the draft.

It's infuriating that it takes your #1 going down before you implement steps to fix your offense. Crazy even.

[ckudrick]

NOTW, on 06 December 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Do Sal Pal, Eskin, Bowen or any other journalist really know what goes on behind Novacare?

Not unless the Eagles want them to ...

[LesDawg1978]

time2rock, on 05 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yeah but he damn well better be right this time.

[OaktownGangstah]

If Vick or Reid leave, then the chemistry is gone.. I would like to see them remain and next year your defense will be healthy and also those guys that protect Vick will be healthy,. that equals 11 wins when healthy.

[Iggles]

OaktownGangstah, on 07 December 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

If Vick or Reid leave, then the chemistry is gone.. I would like to see them remain and next year your defense will be healthy and also those guys that protect Vick will be healthy,. that equals 11 wins when healthy.

I'll make this easy for you, have Vick become a Raider next season.   It's obvious what your misguided man-crush is really about.  You can have him....Vick is DONE!

[Iggles]

eephraim, on 06 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

It's infuriating that it takes your #1 going down before you implement steps to fix your offense. Crazy even.

You mean 2002, 2006, 2010, and 2012?   Yeah it is infuriating that the Eagles owner can't see that Andy Reid plays CYA just enough to keep his job that should've been done after 2009.  Why such a quick trigger on Kotite, and Rhodes, yet not Reid!?!?  The worst decision Jeff Lurie made was firing Tom Modrak in 2000.   Modrak was trying to tell Lurie that Reid is a fraud coach. Modrak saw the lack of time management first-hand, a trait Reid has yet to fix after fourteen years.   Then Lurie gives Reid the keys to the kingdom!!   Years and years of mediocre drafts, at best.   Howie Roseman's 2011 all defensive  draft was a complete disaster, yet he has a long term contract!?!?  The Eagles would be better off if they hired ailing Buddy Ryan to draft defensive talent.   Actually the Eagles would be better off if Jeff Lurie just sold the team and left us alone!

[IggleWalt]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 05 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

the legitimate justification for keeping Andy Reid has run out.   I appreciate the good years he gave us,  I wish him well,   and I'd certainly never make personal attacks on him like some do,   but its clearly time to go in another direction.

If Lurie keeps him,  he is out of touch with reality and stuck in 2004.  This team is just going nowhere under him anymore and my God he can't coach here forever.

I give you a lot of crap but I have to tip my hat to a good post. I feel the exact same way. Reid's time has gone and the Eagles need a change.

OaktownGangstah, on 07 December 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

If Vick or Reid leave, then the chemistry is gone..

Did I miss something? What chemistry?

Iggles, on 07 December 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

You mean 2002, 2006, 2010, and 2012?   Yeah it is infuriating that the Eagles owner can't see that Andy Reid plays CYA just enough to keep his job that should've been done after 2009.  Why such a quick trigger on Kotite, and Rhodes, yet not Reid!?!?  The worst decision Jeff Lurie made was firing Tom Modrak in 2000.   Modrak was trying to tell Lurie that Reid is a fraud coach. Modrak saw the lack of time management first-hand, a trait Reid has yet to fix after fourteen years.   Then Lurie gives Reid the keys to the kingdom!!   Years and years of mediocre drafts, at best.   Howie Roseman's 2011 all defensive  draft was a complete disaster, yet he has a long term contract!?!?  The Eagles would be better off if they hired ailing Buddy Ryan to draft defensive talent.   Actually the Eagles would be better off if Jeff Lurie just sold the team and left us alone!

LOL!! Take a look at what Modrak has done in his career and realize just how stupid this post is. Fans like you make us all look stupid.

[time2rock]

pgcd3, on 05 December 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Lurie already played the I gave it a lot of thought and I think Andy gives us the best chance card. I just get see him doing that again. Especially since the defense is still in shambles.

I agree with biglou on the Bwoles thing. I had high hopes for him and maybe it's just the two guys are prima donnas but it's hard to argue that he's done a good job. He hasn't. Like I said maybe it was an impossible task given the team makeup but the results speak for themselves.

The funny thing about the defense is, they were actually a decent unit (not great, but no where near as bad) before the bye, when Juan was still DC and Bowles the secondary coach.  Andy once again just made the wrong move - he should have let Wash go at that time instead of Juan, especially considering the reports (assuming there is some truth to them) that Wash was becoming a cancer among his peers (the coaching staff, not the players) by being disrespectful (calling Juan "Juanita", etc.).  Some reports state he'd tell his players to ignore what Juan was asking them to do and do what he instructed instead.  He was disruptive and divisive and creating a segregation among the defensive unit in some ways.  

Have to wonder how well the D would be playing today (compared to the last 6 games since the bye) had Wash been let to, Juan was still DC, Bowles still secondary coach, and Brasher DL coach.

[fanatik]

This is the door on the hinges that swing on Reid being gone:

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The other x-factor in all of this would be Reid’s return to Lehigh next summer. How would he handle going back to the dorms where his son Garrett died? Reid might find that cathartic. I tend to think it would affect him in a negative way (the way it would most of us). It would be like returning to the scene of the crime. That would overwhelm most people in an emotional way. Reid will have worked through a lot of feelings by then, but going back there could easily stir them up and really get to him.
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I think Reid must be fired, because of the development of Bryce Brown. He and Shady McCoy look like the top 1-2 RB tandem in the league right now. The 2013 offense must be built around them. Reid and Marty Mornhinweg have not shown the ability to focus on the RB position. They feature a star RB, but not a group.
I know the Eagles did just that in 2003, but Brad Childress was the OC back then. Brad does believe in utilizing RBs. Marty and Andy love to throw the ball, especially down field. The 2013 offense needs to be built on getting the ball to Shady and Bryce. That doesn’t mean the old Bill Cowher line up in the I-formation and pound the ball. You can be creative with the run game. You can throw passes to RBs. You just need to make them the focal point of the offense. That will never happen with Marty as OC. And I can’t imagine Andy firing his longtime friend. Therefore, they both need to go.

[purephillyfan]

biglou22, on 05 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Dead on.

Runtherock, on 05 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

No man, he's not. No one knows but Lurie, and he may not know yet. Think about it, if you're Howie and you see the change that's gone down recently, are you confident you keep your job? The man's wife is out. Joe Banner is out. One exec, coach, player after another...gone. No one knows, not the talking heads, not the beat guys, not Tommy Freaking Lawlor. Lurie may know, maybe, but if he does he isn't telling. Everyone else is just filling print.

Exactly correct!

[Golfesv]

Andy will be back and I hate to say might be coach till he is ready to step down. He will get an extension next season for having a winning record. Lurie doesn't care about what we want he will just do what has made him money for a long time because that's all he cares about!!

[dramacydal27]

So many things could happen. Honestly if vick does get to stay its because of marty. They are all tied into one another. If reid's way to save his job is to drop vick then marty maybe gone as well. I can't see any scenario of vick staying without marty.

[biglou22]

time2rock, on 07 December 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

The funny thing about the defense is, they were actually a decent unit (not great, but no where near as bad) before the bye, when Juan was still DC and Bowles the secondary coach.  Andy once again just made the wrong move - he should have let Wash go at that time instead of Juan, especially considering the reports (assuming there is some truth to them) that Wash was becoming a cancer among his peers (the coaching staff, not the players) by being disrespectful (calling Juan "Juanita", etc.).  Some reports state he'd tell his players to ignore what Juan was asking them to do and do what he instructed instead.  He was disruptive and divisive and creating a segregation among the defensive unit in some ways.  

Have to wonder how well the D would be playing today (compared to the last 6 games since the bye) had Wash been let to, Juan was still DC, Bowles still secondary coach, and Brasher DL coach.

I have thought about that more then anything dealing with the Eagles this year. I guess we have no way of knowing. But common sense tells me that as vanilla as Juans defense was, there is no way it would have turned into the debacle it has turned into with the lifetime DEFENSIVE COACH in charge.
And the really sad part is that the ENTIRE NFL sucks this year. Absolutely hideous. Talk about being able to sneak a SB win,,,,,,,,,,,man this was the year.
Lets face it. The East is going to get won with an 8-8 record. And yes a 7-9 record is absolutely not out of the question. So none of those teams scare anyone.
Then the 49ers started their own QB issues. It looks like they have gone from an average QB to a below average QB for whatever friggen reason.
The Falcons have played literally 1 of the easiest schedules in NFL history and still keep on barely winning. The Packers defense somehow is worse then last year. Don't ask me how that is possible. But they managed to be worse. Their OL is almost on par with the Eagles debacle OL. The Bears are the typical L.Smith team with endless missing parts.
So talk about a year to a bad team and still get to the SB,,, this was the year.

[Runtherock]

Juan's D was deficient and always one hiccup away from a meltdown. The real question it seems to me is how good could it have been without the wide nine bs.

[Iggles]

IggleWalt, on 07 December 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

LOL!! Take a look at what Modrak has done in his career and realize just how stupid this post is. Fans like you make us all look stupid.

Who traded for Carlos Emmons with the Steelers (his old team)?  That was Tom Modrak.   The last GREAT OLB the Eagles have had until Kendricks.  I rest my stupid case against your ignorance.   I'd rather have have dumb vs. dumber for the past thirteen seasons.  OR I'd rather have a real GM instead of a head coach who thought he had the keys to the entire kingdom!  

Why am I arguing with a yabo from Las Vegas????

[jlittziggy]

This league is so quarterback dominant it is crazy.   And Andy Reid can coach up a QB.  SO many quaterbacks have looked good with him , and have failed elsewhere.

Is that cause he was coaching them up?  Or he was just masking their deficiencies?

Either way, i believe the best option we have in developing foles is by letting him continue to work with Reid.  Its his one speciality.

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jlittziggy, on 11 December 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

This league is so quarterback dominant it is crazy.   And Andy Reid can coach up a QB.  SO many quaterbacks have looked good with him , and have failed elsewhere.

Is that cause he was coaching them up?  Or he was just masking their deficiencies?

Either way, i believe the best option we have in developing foles is by letting him continue to work with Reid.  Its his one speciality.

Whether or not Reid is the QB guru he's made out to be, even if he is:  Reid has so many flaws elsewhere that it keeps the team from winning anyway.  And he refuses to protect his starter by running the ball in situations where it's warranted, like with a lead or playing against a tough pass defense and a bad run defense.  He also puts the wrong QBs in the wrong system.

Other coaches in the league develop QBs.  There are a lot of very good QBs in the league obviously not being coached by Reid.  Get over that.

[NOTW]

Also, you can be pass happy when you have great QBs.  But the new trend is going back toward balance.  Teams like the Ravens, 49ers, Texans, Steelers, Falcons and even the Patriots are running more.

If you have Drew Brees or Tom Brady, great fire away.  If not, you're going to need to run more.

The next Eagles coach will have LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown.  Running is a good way to help a struggling O line, a young QB (or an old injury prone one), reduce risk of interceptions (a problem for Vick and a rookie QB), eat clock (Andy wastes his timeouts), and keep the defense off the field (late game collapses.).

Reid refuses to do this properly and his records are worse than ever now.  His records are worse than Kotite's since the Superbowl.  His time is over.  Move on.

[Runtherock]

Remember when Spadaro used to trash Desean and everyone was sure he'd be adios? Then a huge change in tone. For weeks Spadaro has been saying big changes are obviously coming. Last night's Eagles Live? Changed to who knows what will happen..

Uh oh..  

[Baynit]

Nothing is a garuntee in life, nothing.  That said I think theres a better chance Walrus man is here rather than Ron Mexico.

[ChimpKelly]

jlittziggy, on 11 December 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

This league is so quarterback dominant it is crazy.   And Andy Reid can coach up a QB.  SO many quaterbacks have looked good with him , and have failed elsewhere.

Is that cause he was coaching them up?  Or he was just masking their deficiencies?

Either way, i believe the best option we have in developing foles is by letting him continue to work with Reid.  Its his one speciality.

All of Reid's former QBs were basically either traded or released because they were losing it, they went on to other teams where they continued to lose it.

Runtherock, on 11 December 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Remember when Spadaro used to trash Desean and everyone was sure he'd be adios? Then a huge change in tone. For weeks Spadaro has been saying big changes are obviously coming. Last night's Eagles Live? Changed to who knows what will happen..

Uh oh..  

1 squeaker of a win against a mediocre team had a significant impact on Luries decision? Ehh Idk. ..

[Iggles]

Runtherock, on 11 December 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Remember when Spadaro used to trash Desean and everyone was sure he'd be adios? Then a huge change in tone. For weeks Spadaro has been saying big changes are obviously coming. Last night's Eagles Live? Changed to who knows what will happen..

Uh oh..  

You're a sadist of the highest order.  


Maybe that high-five with Reid means that Christine Lurie is now the real owner of the Eagles. We don't know the details of the divorce as of yet.   How's that for sadistic?   Seriously, what if Christine has Jeff Lurie by his bollocks?  

I think Dave will calm down after Thursday, unless Nick Foles improves yet again "Vick dog hating anti-karma lovers".