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[CaptainCrunch]

But after all these years, Reid has taken out my heart.  I've bled Eagles green. I've yelled myself hoarse at games. I've hurt following losses.

I don't care right now. We lost to the Cowboys. The stinking hated Cowboys. And I turned it off after the fumble in the fourth. Even if we were competitive I don't think I would care more. Because I know how the poor clock management, pass happy, unable to get off the field on third down story ends under Reid.

I wish it was different.

[Solomon]

OK, well, it'll be over soon.

[BtotheH]

CaptainCrunch, on 06 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

But after all these years, Reid has taken out my heart.  I've bled Eagles green. I've yelled myself hoarse at games. I've hurt following losses.

I don't care right now. We lost to the Cowboys. The stinking hated Cowboys. And I turned it off after the fumble in the fourth. Even if we were competitive I don't think I would care more. Because I know how the poor clock management, pass happy, unable to get off the field on third down story ends under Reid.

I wish it was different.

I feel ya and I would die for this team but it just happens. Should we have been better prepared for it? Yes. But it happens, although I could strangle Reid for the past few years, he also brought us fans something to cheer for, playoff appearances, a SB appearance and plenty of winning seasons. He drafted the best QB this organization has seen and tried to make runs to the big one but fell short. Yea we never got there but at least we were closer than the other 26-28 teams. As much as I hate to watch us fall to all of these NFC East opponents this year, I then realize that they too have been the laugh of the NFC East in recent years, both the Cowboys and Redskins.

We just need a year or two and we can be back on our feet. But we need real change, we cannot patch here and there we have to clean the coaching staff and start fresh. Were already starting our evaluation of players for 2013, thats why Foles is playing, it's good that Brown is getting some carries, were shifting lineman, were shifting players on defense etc.

We defintely have some holes to fill in the draft but with the right coaching and scouting, this team can be back on top sooner than later. I am optomistic and try to be realistic when it comes to our situation, we just need new faces and a change of coaching plain and simple.

A good start to a successful rebuild is to fire Reid and pretty much everyone else who stands on those sidelines every sunday, of course except the trainers and stuff. Once change is brought upon us, I will believe that we can turn this ship around.

[skipsharp]

This is what it's like at the end of a coaching regime. Reid is the 7th head coach since I have been a fan. In most instances change has been for the better. No matter who the next HC is we can all start caring again next year.

[CaptainCrunch]

I hope you guys are right. If you gave me $75 and told me to go buy a jersey with it, I don't even know whose to buy. Never been a Vick guy either. If they drafted mante teo, that might help. I  love strong defense. I was too little to appreciate bergey and trotter should never have left.

[skipsharp]

Bergey was something to behold. A true leader on the field.  The best trade Mike McCormack made. We could use someone like him now.

[CMPunk]

It's not just the coaching but it's the overall personality of the players as well. These guys just rub you the wrong way, with how they carry themselves. No wonder other teams hate us.

[Runtherock]

Brown breaks off the long run for a TD and I'm clapping. Foles stays in the pocket, takes the big hit and still makes the completion and I'm pumped. D starts imploding and I shake my head and laugh. Still am able to enjoy the good, but the bad strikes me as funny now, curiously.

[skipsharp]

CMPunk, on 06 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

It's not just the coaching but it's the overall personality of the players as well. These guys just rub you the wrong way, with how they carry themselves. No wonder other teams hate us.

Yeah but if I'm the coach I'm having a talk with Celek about his first down dance while down 14 points.

[kb420]

CaptainCrunch, on 06 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

But after all these years, Reid has taken out my heart.  I've bled Eagles green. I've yelled myself hoarse at games. I've hurt following losses.

I don't care right now. We lost to the Cowboys. The stinking hated Cowboys. And I turned it off after the fumble in the fourth. Even if we were competitive I don't think I would care more. Because I know how the poor clock management, pass happy, unable to get off the field on third down story ends under Reid.

I wish it was different.

Hang in there man.  I know how you feel.  Andy will be gone,  and when he is,  we will at least have hope in this city again.

[FanSinceWayBack]

skipsharp, on 06 December 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Yeah but if I'm the coach I'm having a talk with Celek about his first down dance while down 14 points.

He should be emotionless like the rest of team. Whats he thinking!?

[phillygrump]

CaptainCrunch, on 06 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

But after all these years, Reid has taken out my heart.  I've bled Eagles green. I've yelled myself hoarse at games. I've hurt following losses.

I don't care right now. We lost to the Cowboys. The stinking hated Cowboys. And I turned it off after the fumble in the fourth. Even if we were competitive I don't think I would care more. Because I know how the poor clock management, pass happy, unable to get off the field on third down story ends under Reid.

I wish it was different.

Reid didn't quit. His players did. These bums earning millions of dollars to lay down to the competition are the ones who have taken out your heart.

[Iggles]

CaptainCrunch, on 06 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

But after all these years, Reid has taken out my heart.  I've bled Eagles green. I've yelled myself hoarse at games. I've hurt following losses.

I don't care right now. We lost to the Cowboys. The stinking hated Cowboys. And I turned it off after the fumble in the fourth. Even if we were competitive I don't think I would care more. Because I know how the poor clock management, pass happy, unable to get off the field on third down story ends under Reid.

I wish it was different.

It's time to visit a BRS "Battered Reid Syndrome" shelter immediately.

[PolkaDotPants]

FanSinceWayBack, on 06 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

He should be emotionless like the rest of team. Whats he thinking!?

Being down by 14 and celebrating a 1st down (not a TD mind you) is pretty ridiculous. Playing with emotion is great, but there is a time to show it and a time to not.

[forevereagles]

BtotheH, on 06 December 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

I feel ya and I would die for this team but it just happens. Should we have been better prepared for it? Yes. But it happens, although I could strangle Reid for the past few years, he also brought us fans something to cheer for, playoff appearances, a SB appearance and plenty of winning seasons. He drafted the best QB this organization has seen and tried to make runs to the big one but fell short. Yea we never got there but at least we were closer than the other 26-28 teams. As much as I hate to watch us fall to all of these NFC East opponents this year, I then realize that they too have been the laugh of the NFC East in recent years, both the Cowboys and Redskins.

We just need a year or two and we can be back on our feet. But we need real change, we cannot patch here and there we have to clean the coaching staff and start fresh. Were already starting our evaluation of players for 2013, thats why Foles is playing, it's good that Brown is getting some carries, were shifting lineman, were shifting players on defense etc.

We defintely have some holes to fill in the draft but with the right coaching and scouting, this team can be back on top sooner than later. I am optomistic and try to be realistic when it comes to our situation, we just need new faces and a change of coaching plain and simple.

A good start to a successful rebuild is to fire Reid and pretty much everyone else who stands on those sidelines every sunday, of course except the trainers and stuff. Once change is brought upon us, I will believe that we can turn this ship around.

We have a good young nucleous of talent on this team. I'm excited for next season, for the first time in years.
It hasn't all been bad or this discouraging with Reid.  I'm sure there isn't a single Eagle fan who didn't enjoy those winning seasons. It only began to go down hill when Jim Johnson passed away. And there was nothing anyone could do about that. He tried replacing him but they just didn't compare.

I do agree that we need a fresh start. With a new smart football savvy  aggressive minded coach. One that will demand the best out of every player. Not  another who will take all the blame for poor outings like Andy does. That may salvage their pride. But it does nothing for improving their efforts. Correcting  their mistakes. I don't mean the new coach has to humilate a player in public.But at least hold them accountable for their poor performance by benching them a game or two.

If the right coach with the right  attitude and smarts  is acquired , we can turn this thing around in a season or two, at the most.
Unlike many on these boards I have no dislike of Andy. I just think it is time to see what someone else can do. And I think he needs a fresh start somewhere else as much as this organization  does.

It's clear that teams have figured out this coaching staffs  strengths and weaknesses.. That is bound to happen when  a coach (& his staff ) have been  in one place as long as  Andy. There is only so much you can alter.We're all creatures of habit to a degree.
I wish him well wherever he goes, accept when he plays against us.

[time2rock]

Runtherock, on 06 December 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Brown breaks off the long run for a TD and I'm clapping. Foles stays in the pocket, takes the big hit and still makes the completion and I'm pumped. D starts imploding and I shake my head and laugh. Still am able to enjoy the good, but the bad strikes me as funny now, curiously.

Ditto - that's because you know you only have a couple more weeks to endure this comedy of errors.

[vic92353]

Solomon, on 06 December 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

OK, well, it'll be over soon.

Yay.....

forevereagles, on 07 December 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

We have a good young nucleous of talent on this team. I'm excited for next season, for the first time in years.
It hasn't all been bad or this discouraging with Reid.  I'm sure there isn't a single Eagle fan who didn't enjoy those winning seasons. It only began to go down hill when Jim Johnson passed away. And there was nothing anyone could do about that. He tried replacing him but they just didn't compare.

I do agree that we need a fresh start. With a new smart football savvy  aggressive minded coach. One that will demand the best out of every player. Not  another who will take all the blame for poor outings like Andy does. That may salvage their pride. But it does nothing for improving their efforts. Correcting  their mistakes. I don't mean the new coach has to humilate a player in public.But at least hold them accountable for their poor performance by benching them a game or two.

If the right coach with the right  attitude and smarts  is acquired , we can turn this thing around in a season or two, at the most.
Unlike many on these boards I have no dislike of Andy. I just think it is time to see what someone else can do. And I think he needs a fresh start somewhere else as much as this organization  does.

It's clear that teams have figured out this coaching staffs  strengths and weaknesses.. That is bound to happen when  a coach (& his staff ) have been  in one place as long as  Andy. There is only so much you can alter.We're all creatures of habit to a degree.
I wish him well wherever he goes, accept when he plays against us.

Don't worry every one knows what he is going to do,  So it'll be no problem beating his team.  Ask the other teams in the NFL.  

[McNabbIsGone]

PolkaDotPants, on 07 December 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Being down by 14 and celebrating a 1st down (not a TD mind you) is pretty ridiculous. Playing with emotion is great, but there is a time to show it and a time to not.

Agree. Excessive celebration seems to be the norm now. It always cracks me up to see a defender start dancing & gyrating after making a tackle on a 3 yd. play or whatever it is. There's a show on the NFL Network called, "A Football Life." I watched the one on Barry Sanders. From his high school days into the NFL this guy was running all over everyone almost non stop. Yet he was never a  SHOWBOAT  or overly demonstrative in any way. Even after making some of the most remarkable plays ever seen in the NFL he'd calmly flip the ball to the official and trot off the field. The idiots doing all the Dopey Dancing should see the Sanders show. Very humble and a very good man now raising his own sons. And he acted like he'd been there before.

CaptainCrunch, on 06 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

But after all these years, Reid has taken out my heart.  I've bled Eagles green. I've yelled myself hoarse at games. I've hurt following losses.

I don't care right now. We lost to the Cowboys. The stinking hated Cowboys. And I turned it off after the fumble in the fourth. Even if we were competitive I don't think I would care more. Because I know how the poor clock management, pass happy, unable to get off the field on third down story ends under Reid.

I wish it was different.

Not to worry. It's all about to change.

[SirReal]

PolkaDotPants, on 07 December 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Being down by 14 and celebrating a 1st down (not a TD mind you) is pretty ridiculous. Playing with emotion is great, but there is a time to show it and a time to not.

Right, because passion and energy and drive are the LAST things we need when we're trying to come from behind.

[PolkaDotPants]

SirReal, on 07 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Right, because passion and energy and drive are the LAST things we need when we're trying to come from behind.

I didn't realize you could only channel those things through celebration.

[October]

Been a fan for over 30yrs.  Been high and low.  Sorry, but I'd give all the highs and lows
for 1 Lombardi trophy.

It's a freak'n travesty that one of the original franchises in the league doesn't posses
a superbowl trophy.

See ya Andy and even though I don't believe he was the ONLY issue, you can take
Mike wit ya.

[NOTW]

Runtherock, on 06 December 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Brown breaks off the long run for a TD and I'm clapping. Foles stays in the pocket, takes the big hit and still makes the completion and I'm pumped. D starts imploding and I shake my head and laugh. Still am able to enjoy the good, but the bad strikes me as funny now, curiously.

Rock, I noticed the same thing for me when watching the Cowboys game and even the Panthers game.  Despite how bad it's gotten, when we do see something worth cheering for we can get excited about that.  Brown, Foles, Cooper grabbing that end zone jump ball for a touchdown, even guys we haven't always liked such as Maclin or Brandon  Graham making plays.

I do'nt think the fan base is as bad as some make us out to be.  We still even this season will cheer for good things.  The fans at the Linc cheered for them out of the gate and only boo or get quiet when its warranted.

[NOTW]

SirReal, on 07 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Right, because passion and energy and drive are the LAST things we need when we're trying to come from behind.

On one hand, it's difficult and also unfair to judge someone's emotions when they are going through it.  These guys work very hard and it's a physical and violent game and emotions can run high.  They spend the day pumping themselves up with music, pre-game rituals, hyping each other up, etc.

So it's understandable if they make a good play and want to celebrate.  But these days, celebrations have got kind of over the top.  Cam Newton for example, will do his "Superman" thing when he scores a TD and his team is down by 4 TDs.

So on the other hand, when you're losing bad or when it's something common like a 1st down conversion or a simple tackle, maybe a simple gesture to match the act would suffice.  If it's 3rd and 22 and you convert a 1st down on a tough one handed catch, yeah that's awesome.  If it's 2nd and 4 and you catch a slant and you do a big dance for a 1st down?  Not so much.

Obviously players are free to do what they want within the rules, but they have to realize if they are going to question the fans reactions they need to look at themselves as well.  They want the fans to cheer them all the time no matter what, they want support and praise.  But they bash us on Twitter and other media, they celebrate and laugh and smile on the sidelines during bad seasons when their play is embarassing, and they don't really do anything to engage the fans so what do they expect?

[FanSinceWayBack]

PolkaDotPants, on 07 December 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Being down by 14 and celebrating a 1st down (not a TD mind you) is pretty ridiculous. Playing with emotion is great, but there is a time to show it and a time to not.

I can see where your coming from. But this team as a whole is zombies out there going through the motions. Celek plays with emotion and fire. Ill never not appreciate that. So what if it/he looks ridiculous, IMO the rest of the team half-a**ing it is more ridiculous  than that. Alot (not every) of the time he gets popped and he is letting them know that they dont phase him. I like Celek alot, Ill stand alone if I must lol

[Meccadon123]

NOTW, on 07 December 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

On one hand, it's difficult and also unfair to judge someone's emotions when they are going through it.  These guys work very hard and it's a physical and violent game and emotions can run high.  They spend the day pumping themselves up with music, pre-game rituals, hyping each other up, etc.

So it's understandable if they make a good play and want to celebrate.  But these days, celebrations have got kind of over the top.  Cam Newton for example, will do his "Superman" thing when he scores a TD and his team is down by 4 TDs.

So on the other hand, when you're losing bad or when it's something common like a 1st down conversion or a simple tackle, maybe a simple gesture to match the act would suffice.  If it's 3rd and 22 and you convert a 1st down on a tough one handed catch, yeah that's awesome.  If it's 2nd and 4 and you catch a slant and you do a big dance for a 1st down?  Not so much.

Obviously players are free to do what they want within the rules, but they have to realize if they are going to question the fans reactions they need to look at themselves as well.  They want the fans to cheer them all the time no matter what, they want support and praise.  But they bash us on Twitter and other media, they celebrate and laugh and smile on the sidelines during bad seasons when their play is embarassing, and they don't really do anything to engage the fans so what do they expect?

your number of posts and the number of paragraphs above combined with your sig are ironic...that much i do know

[CaptainCrunch]

Thank you guys for your words of encouragement - I know you are feeling the same way.  The problem with Reid is - as good as he is - he never got it.   Calling a timeout on you own 17 on 3rd and 16 six minutes into the game, followed by a sack isn't good football.  By they keep doing it.  Opening the game with 70% passes isn't good football.  The bad decisions are really countless.

Ok. I'm not going to complain more.  Thanks for the help.

[skipsharp]

Pass on first down, run on 2nd down, third and long. I hear you.

[CaptainCrunch]

Soooo predictable.

[craigj]

It's been a Bell Curve career. Lousy start, nice in the middle, and a steep decline at the end.

We've seen it before, we will see it again.