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[KOJO]

From Greg Cosell:

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“The Eagles transitioned to an offense where they run the ball out of running formations,” he said. “It helped Foles because it dictates defensive fronts and coverages and they become a little more predictable. Most sophisticated blitzes come from sub-packages. If you are throwing out of base personnel, defenses will be in base personnel, and the large majority of NFL defenses do much less in terms of pressures and blitzing from base personnel than they do from their sub packages.”

Marty Mornhinweg conceded on Thursday that he changed things up to protect the rookie quarterback. It stands to reason that Michael Vick would have benefited from a similar approach.

http://www.phillymag...own-nick-foles/

That last sentence may be debatable, but this isn't. These guys are stone cold morons. They wait until the team is in complete tatters & the season is completely flushed to run the offense the way a reasonable, thinking person would.

And we've seen this before. The Garcia games of '06, some of the most enjoyable & entertaining during the Reid era, were run like this & to great success. Of course Reid dumped the whole thing as soon as McNabb returned for the next season.

In some ways I find this even more insulting than if they really just had no clue how to run a balanced offense. At least then maybe you could say they just didn't have the knowledge. But this proves that they do & just choose not to. And that only makes their arrogance more infuriating.

[patpikunas]

KOJO, on 07 December 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

From Greg Cosell:

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http://www.phillymag...own-nick-foles/

That last sentence may be debatable, but this isn't. These guys are stone cold morons. They wait until the team is in complete tatters & the season is completely flushed to run the offense the way a reasonable, thinking person would.

And we've seen this before. The Garcia games of '06, some of the most enjoyable & entertaining during the Reid era, were run like this & to great success. Of course Reid dumped the whole thing as soon as McNabb returned for the next season.

In some ways I find this even more insulting than if they really just had no clue how to run a balanced offense. At least then maybe you could say they just didn't have the knowledge. But this proves that they do & just choose not to. And that only makes their arrogance more infuriating.

On the money Kojo.... Everything you said.

My head has huge bumps all over it for banging it against the wall for the 7 years trying to figure out what this idiot coaching staff was seeing that we weren't.

Turns out we were right all along and the ignorance and arrogance of this coaching staff and the man in charge is directly responsible for their undoing.

New Years eve cannot get here soon enough.... I'm not much of a New Years party guy, but I will be celebrating happily this year with many Yuengling's, after watching this staff get fired.

[daftpunk]

SHould move this to TATE.  Right on the money KOJO.

[CT Eagle]

I agree completely although the results are the same so I don't know how much it matters.  I think the Eagles O with Vick had decent numbers except they floundered in the Red Zone and obviously the turnover problems.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 07 December 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I agree completely although the results are the same so I don't know how much it matters.  I think the Eagles O with Vick had decent numbers except they floundered in the Red Zone and obviously the turnover problems.

One of many things that will stand as the legacy of this regime.

[mjkvol]

KOJO, on 07 December 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

From Greg Cosell:

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http://www.phillymag...own-nick-foles/

That last sentence may be debatable, but this isn't. These guys are stone cold morons. They wait until the team is in complete tatters & the season is completely flushed to run the offense the way a reasonable, thinking person would.

And we've seen this before. The Garcia games of '06, some of the most enjoyable & entertaining during the Reid era, were run like this & to great success. Of course Reid dumped the whole thing as soon as McNabb returned for the next season.

In some ways I find this even more insulting than if they really just had no clue how to run a balanced offense. At least then maybe you could say they just didn't have the knowledge. But this proves that they do & just choose not to. And that only makes their arrogance more infuriating.

Perfectly stated.

What pisses me the hell off is how many times over the last five years we have hammered this home, and yet the Clown in Chief is still employed here, and making decisions as if he will continue to be here.

The Garcia games, as I've probably said a few dozen times here, are my favorite stretch of football during the entire Reid endurance test ...... er ..... era.

[Rome]

Morningwood is a hack.  He should have been the first clown Reid fired, but he's still there employing his retarded chuck & duck bull**** despite everyone in the league knowing exactly what's coming next.  The same can be said for Reid, and again, that's on Lurie.

Fire everyone or else, carpetbagger.

[JPL0720]

mjkvol, on 07 December 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Perfectly stated.

What pisses me the hell off is how many times over the last five years we have hammered this home, and yet the Clown in Chief is still employed here, and making decisions as if he will continue to be here.

The Garcia games, as I've probably said a few dozen times here, are my favorite stretch of football during the entire Reid endurance test ...... er ..... era.

He certainly is not making decisions like a coach who is getting sacked at the end of this season. I am becoming less and less convinced that Laurie has the cahones to fire him.

[Randy Rampage]

Jeff Lurie already has his excuses lined up for the press conference for keeping Andy Reid on the payroll. At this point, Reid isn't the problem. It's one Jeff Lurie, who lacks the spine and vision to get the Eagles over the hump. He's still partying like it's 2004, and his blind loyalty to Reid has put this franchise into a tailspin.

The fact is Lurie won't pay Reid $5.5 million to stay home while paying someone else. And besides, Reid won the most important title to Lurie: the salary cap bowl.

[Runtherock]

Please no one jump, but Morningwood said at his last presser that he's going to start feeding the kid more of the offense. Now you know what the means.

[Runtherock]

JPL0720, on 07 December 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

He certainly is not making decisions like a coach who is getting sacked at the end of this season. I am becoming less and less convinced that Laurie has the cahones to fire him.

Injuries + son dying + one year left on the contract.

All the formula Lurie needs to bring him back. Could happen.

[mjkvol]

Randy Rampage, on 07 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Jeff Lurie already has his excuses lined up for the press conference for keeping Andy Reid on the payroll. At this point, Reid isn't the problem. It's one Jeff Lurie, who lacks the spine and vision to get the Eagles over the hump. He's still partying like it's 2004, and his blind loyalty to Reid has put this franchise into a tailspin.

The fact is Lurie won't pay Reid $5.5 million to stay home while paying someone else. And besides, Reid won the most important title to Lurie: the salary cap bowl.

I'm starting to feel the same way, more and more each week.

There's only one way for fans to show any meaningful displeasure, and that is to stay home and not buy any merchandise.       Sadly, that won't happen, and Lurie damn well knows it.

[CT Eagle]

Randy Rampage, on 07 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Jeff Lurie already has his excuses lined up for the press conference for keeping Andy Reid on the payroll. At this point, Reid isn't the problem. It's one Jeff Lurie, who lacks the spine and vision to get the Eagles over the hump. He's still partying like it's 2004, and his blind loyalty to Reid has put this franchise into a tailspin.

The fact is Lurie won't pay Reid $5.5 million to stay home while paying someone else. And besides, Reid won the most important title to Lurie: the salary cap bowl.

75]He isn't coming back. He knows he isn't coming back. You know he isn't coming back, so let the poor man present Lurie with his sword next month in peace.

75]Much is being made of the fact that Reid keeps pulling levers, pushing buttons, trying to pull the plane out of its dive even though both engines and the tail have fallen off. What do you expect him to do? We're talking about Andy Reid. He takes it one game at a time, always. On Wednesday, he is always "looking forward to the challenge" of playing the fill-in-the-blanks. After each game, he starts with "injuries." He has a contract through 2013. He will coach that way, until someone tells him to stop. Wow, such a head-scratcher! I suspect most people understand this and are only pretending they don't to relieve the tedium of 3-9.

75]Let's review the record here: Owner said last January that an 8-8 season with a team he thought was loaded was "unacceptable," season was "ludicrous," he was giving long-tenured, successful coach one more chance. In August, after coach's agent implied owner would keep coach around no matter what, owner came out and forcefully said that wasn't the case. He said he needed to see "substantive progress" from 8-8.

75]Lurie's manner was almost exasperated, as Lurie fielded questions about what this or that scenario might change his criteria for Reid to stay. We twisted his arm into "well, if everybody on the team got injured, then . . . " but he didn't even bring that up himself. (And injuries are not the main reason the Eagles are 3-9. Nobody believes that.) His subtext was clear: "I swear to God I will fire him if I have to. Really. Don't worry about it. Last year's reprieve was a onetime thing. If it doesn't work in 2012, he's gone."

75]Les Bowen

[patpikunas]

Runtherock, on 07 December 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Injuries + son dying + one year left on the contract.

All the formula Lurie needs to bring him back. Could happen.

Nah... he's been done since the bye week

[Runtherock]

patpikunas, on 08 December 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Nah... he's been done since the bye week

I think you're right. but I also know this. After last season every talking head and and media hack was saying Juan was done, cooked, over. But the beginning of the season what did you get? Joe Banner loses a power struggle to Reid and is out, Lurie's wife....gone, and Juan back and Reid with more power.

The talking heads and the media hacks had no freaking clue.

One person and one person alone makes the decision and he ain't talking.

[PoconoDon]

Lurie didn't fire Kotite until after the season.......Lurie didn't Fire Rhodes until after the season.....Lurie won't fire Reid until after the season....it's how he does business.

Lurie better reassign Roseman to player contracts after the season....or whoever the head coach is will be irrelevant......same old results.

[CT Eagle]

Runtherock, on 08 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

One person and one person alone makes the decision and he ain't talking.

Lurie said he wasn't going to talk until after the season ended.
Lurie said 8-8 was unacceptable.
Reid's agent tried to get him an extension and came up empty.
Reid's agent said Lurie said Reid had a job for life. Lurie responded saying that was definitely not the case and that he needed to see substantive progress (which clearly hasn't happened).

Anything is possible, but there is no reason to think Reid will be here next year.  None.  Zero.

[Randy Rampage]

CT Eagle, on 08 December 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Lurie said he wasn't going to talk until after the season ended.
Lurie said 8-8 was unacceptable.
Reid's agent tried to get him an extension and came up empty.
Reid's agent said Lurie said Reid had a job for life. Lurie responded saying that was definitely not the case and that he needed to see substantive progress (which clearly hasn't happened).

Anything is possible, but there is no reason to think Reid will be here next year.  None.  Zero.

CT Eagle, you make perfect sense, and you have provided good, solid analysis. The problem with your argument is that you're applying it to the Eagles front office. How many times have they left us shaking our heads?

I'm not reading anything into Reid finishing out the season. As has been pointed out before, Lurie doesn't do the in-season head coach firing.

In the final analysis, what you say may come to pass, but you never know with this crew. What me and others are communicating is our lack of trust of the front office. What's obvious to everyone else isn't to this bunch.

[mjkvol]

Randy Rampage, on 08 December 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

What's obvious to everyone else isn't to this bunch.

Another great line representing this regime's legacy.

[LacesOut]

Runtherock, on 07 December 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Please no one jump, but Morningwood said at his last presser that he's going to start feeding the kid more of the offense.

I think I fear this.

[Runtherock]

CT Eagle, on 08 December 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Lurie said he wasn't going to talk until after the season ended.
Lurie said 8-8 was unacceptable.
Reid's agent tried to get him an extension and came up empty.
Reid's agent said Lurie said Reid had a job for life. Lurie responded saying that was definitely not the case and that he needed to see substantive progress (which clearly hasn't happened).

Anything is possible, but there is no reason to think Reid will be here next year.  None.  Zero.

None? Zero? Reid has been a slightly above average coach for seven seasons before this year. His productivity has decreased markedly and Lurie stood by him. None? Zero? Lurie has done nothing but surprise recently. Wife...gone. Best friend/right hand man Banner....gone. Two corporate Vice Presidents....adios. Why would you think for one instant you could predict a thing that he will do? No one, AT ALL, saw Juan coming back....but he did. You can get caught up in all the know-it-all media morons who were asleep at the wheel during all of the above if you want, but not me brother.

Do I think Reid should be fired? Lord yes. Do I think Lurie will definitely do it? Hell no. Reid has one year left on his contract, Reid lost a son this year, we may have a promising young QB to develop, many injuries, those are all the combined reasons Lurie needs to bring him back for one more shot to right the ship. He'd give him conditions, may even tell him we're going to a 3-4 and tell him who the D Coordinator is going to be, but he can do it and just might. Most of the league thinks Reid is still a good coach and what happened this year was due, in part, to his family tragedy. Lurie may find the lure of looking like the sympathetic good guy too irresistible to pass on.

Lurie gave a rambling, disjointed, in some instances bizarre speech. But he never said he would fire Reid if any condition wasn't met. Never said it and can't be held to what he didn't say. He even left himself an "injuries" out. So just slow your jets down my man.

[CT Eagle]

Runtherock, on 09 December 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

None? Zero? Reid has been a slightly above average coach for seven seasons before this year. His productivity has decreased markedly and Lurie stood by him. None? Zero? Lurie has done nothing but surprise recently. Wife...gone. Best friend/right hand man Banner....gone. Two corporate Vice Presidents....adios. Why would you think for one instant you could predict a thing that he will do? No one, AT ALL, saw Juan coming back....but he did. You can get caught up in all the know-it-all media morons who were asleep at the wheel during all of the above if you want, but not me brother.

Do I think Reid should be fired? Lord yes. Do I think Lurie will definitely do it? Hell no. Reid has one year left on his contract, Reid lost a son this year, we may have a promising young QB to develop, many injuries, those are all the combined reasons Lurie needs to bring him back for one more shot to right the ship. He'd give him conditions, may even tell him we're going to a 3-4 and tell him who the D Coordinator is going to be, but he can do it and just might. Most of the league thinks Reid is still a good coach and what happened this year was due, in part, to his family tragedy. Lurie may find the lure of looking like the sympathetic good guy too irresistible to pass on.

Lurie gave a rambling, disjointed, in some instances bizarre speech. But he never said he would fire Reid if any condition wasn't met. Never said it and can't be held to what he didn't say. He even left himself an "injuries" out. So just slow your jets down my man.

Anything is possible but one should expect that Lurie will fire Reid at the end of the season.

[KOJO]

CT Eagle, on 09 December 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Anything is possible but one should expect that Lurie will fire Reid at the end of the season.

I wonder how this will affect that now.

[CT Eagle]

KOJO, on 09 December 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

I wonder how this will affect that now.

Not even a little.

[KOJO]

CT Eagle, on 09 December 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Not even a little.

Somebody should tell the TATErs that then. Can't believe the number of people in there still talking about how great Reid is, especially now that "he seems to have 'developed' Foles".

[DaveSpadaro]

[owensaws]

DaveSpadaro, on 09 December 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

weak get the thread off the board response similar to your boss who won't show his face - sorriest bunch of leadership from top to bottom - Roseman = weak - Lurie - sorry a** no wonder we suck all in hiding

[DaveSpadaro]

Well, there was no question, so it really doesn't belong here, does it?

[owensaws]

DaveSpadaro, on 09 December 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Well, there was no question, so it really doesn't belong here, does it?

You haven't responded on Sunday after a game in eight weeks now you are on the boards in full force - tells everything about this organization one win against a mediocre team now everything has turned around and AR has the new Bobby Hoying cranking forward.  Let's guess they will let you go on WIP tomorrow vs. a few weeks ago when your were not allowed to speak to them?