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[ckudrick]

Dave, I understand the frustration of the fanbase.  I am as ready for a coaching change as anyone in Philadelphia and was okay with losing out for a better draft pick ... but if you didn't smile watching Andy Reid celebrating the win on the sideline yesterday, then you have no heart!  

The man has had a an awful year, experiencing a family tragedy that no one should ever have to endure followed by a truly awful season for a myriad of reasons.  He's been up in front of the media taking all the arrows for months now (much of it deservedly so).  

This is not about Fool's Gold, or trying to buy more time for him ... but a beaten down man smiling and fist pumping was a wonderful thing to see.  I was genuinely happy for him.  Congrats to the Eagles.

[Solomon]

Agreed! Watching Reid celebrate was great to see.

[frenchladyfan]

a sight for sore eyes, it was

[CT Eagle]

I agree.  I was surprised at how animated he was.  It really puts things in perspective to see him so happy and excited after a win.

[DaveSpadaro]

It had been a long time

[birdguy]

DaveSpadaro, on 10 December 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

It had been a long time

Regardless of the media's perception of the Philadelphia fan base and the more vocal minority of Reid bashers, I think that most Philly fans are extremely thankful for Reid and all that he has accomplished in his time here.

Great to see Big Red and the boys get a win yesterday.

[KY eaglefan]

birdguy, on 10 December 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Regardless of the media's perception of the Philadelphia fan base and the more vocal minority of Reid bashers, I think that most Philly fans are extremely thankful for Reid and all that he has accomplished in his time here.

Great to see Big Red and the boys get a win yesterday.

Agreed!!!

[kitko60]

Still this question has yet to be answered...
You fire Reid...Who do you find, better than him, to replace him?  I don't think there's an answer to that question available and hopefully Lurie realizes that.
The Eagles are in a slump however all that, to me, comes down to one move, signing Vick.  He is a franchise killer.  With him gone, Reid can start to build us a winner!

[eaglesaddict]

He should be fired for being that happy in a losing season. The best he can do is 7-9, that's nothing to celebrate.

[eaglesaddict]

kitko60, on 10 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Still this question has yet to be answered...
You fire Reid...Who do you find, better than him, to replace him?  I don't think there's an answer to that question available and hopefully Lurie realizes that.
The Eagles are in a slump however all that, to me, comes down to one move, signing Vick.  He is a franchise killer.  With him gone, Reid can start to build us a winner!

Who do we replace him with? I don't know but there is talent out there, how many other coaches that were hired by others teams during Reid's tenure won a SB while Reid has won nothing?

[PhillyPhan13]

eaglesaddict, on 10 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

He should be fired for being that happy in a losing season. The best he can do is 7-9, that's nothing to celebrate.

You just don't get it.  He wasn't celebrating the record or the season.  He was celebrating getting a win; an exciting win. Wins are tough to get in the NFL; you hear that from everyone that has ever coached or played.

I agree it's time to move on, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what Reid has done.  Therefore, I'm happy to see him get some happiness in an otherwise miserable season.

[mjkvol]

kitko60, on 10 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Still this question has yet to be answered...
You fire Reid...Who do you find, better than him, to replace him?

I honestly mean this in the nicest way - that viewpoint is so incredibly narrow minded and ignorant that it's shocking any thinking fan could believe it.

Answer me this - how do you ever improve and get to the next level?      How has every team moving on from a situation that has completely stagnated and run its course been able to do it?        How did the Bucs do it after Dungy, whose record was still consistently solid when they made the change?       How did the Packers do it when they dumped Sherman and hired McCarthy?       The Giants with Fassel and Coughlin?        The answer is very simple - you step up and make the move, doing your due diligence to bring in the best person you can find.

Are there any guarantees?      I can think of one right off the bat - we will have no fewer Super Bowl wins in the next decade and a half than we've had in the previous one.      That's a stone cold guarantee.

Have you looked at the record here since 2004?      Is that a record of someone who will be impossible to replace?      In other words, we shouldn't make a change because there is the possibility that we might not be just over .500 in the next eight years??

Seriously dude, think this through.     This is not the Reid of 1999-2004 anymore, and hasn't been for a loooooong time.     This is a middle of the road coach who has exhausted his time here.     And you know what?      The team that buys into the hype and overpays to bring him in will find that out the hard way.

[Rodney_Zero]

eaglesaddict, on 10 December 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Who do we replace him with?

Ray Handley

[NOTW]

kitko60, on 10 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Still this question has yet to be answered...
You fire Reid...Who do you find, better than him, to replace him?  I don't think there's an answer to that question available and hopefully Lurie realizes that.
The Eagles are in a slump however all that, to me, comes down to one move, signing Vick.  He is a franchise killer.  With him gone, Reid can start to build us a winner!

See any number of threads about new coach talk, particularly all the suggestions in the forum "I Want the Eagles to Get."

Fans like you don't get it:  you don't know who is better until you hire them.  The NFL works that way:  you hire up and coming assistants and coordinators who are ready to be promoted.

Do you really not realize that most Superbowl winning coaches have never been a head coach before that?  Who "out there" was better than Bill Cowher to take over the Steelers?  Tomlin has the same number of Superbowl wins as Cowher.

McCarthy, Payton, the Harbaughs are having success...the model in the NFL is to hire a coordinator or assistant coach and give him a shot (and 5 years or less or be fired).

Plus, Reid's records since the Superbowl are mediocre or worse.  His record the last 4 years is the same as Kotite's records.  So you're saying who is better....than 4-12?  5-11?

Who was Andy Reid before he was hired by Philadelphia?  No one knew him, he was an unknown assistant hired and given a chance.  Just like most coaches in the NFL.  That's how it works.  Hiring retreads rarely works.

[eaglesaddict]

PhillyPhan13, on 10 December 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

You just don't get it.  He wasn't celebrating the record or the season.  He was celebrating getting a win; an exciting win. Wins are tough to get in the NFL; you hear that from everyone that has ever coached or played.

I agree it's time to move on, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what Reid has done.  Therefore, I'm happy to see him get some happiness in an otherwise miserable season.

It was a meaningless win, meaningless wins aren't hard to come by. That's what bad teams do, win meaningless games because they lost too many for the game to mean anything.

[ckudrick]

eaglesaddict, on 10 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

It was a meaningless win, meaningless wins aren't hard to come by. That's what bad teams do, win meaningless games because they lost too many for the game to mean anything.

The point of this thread was simply to be a little happy for a man who lost a child, is likely about the be fired and was in the midst of the worst losing streak of his career.  Yes, this game didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it was nice to see a good guy who is enduring a very rough year experience a little happiness.  Then a bunch of you had to come in this thread (instead of posting in one of the many "Reid Sucks" threads) and crap all over it and him.  Typical.

[frenchladyfan]

^^ this.

[sameoldsameold]

What's the big deal about an Eagle's losing season, geez, if that gets your panties in a ball than how could you possibly be an Eagle's fan? Hello, most of the Eagle's seasons have been sub-five hundred. you like the Eagles because you're from Philly and live near the city, and you like to watch football, heck, if they never win the Superbowl it will be no sweat off my back, been through that disappointment with Plunket and Matuzak and Brady and a vomiting McNab, (T-O was right, as was Rush), but it's still great to be an Eagles fan. As for Andy, he had fourteen fun years here, now it's time for him to try his luck somewhere else. I'm still disappointed we didn't get Vermil back instead of Reid way back when...hopefully we can get sexy rexy as a defensive coordinator next year, but keep him away from personnel decisions and the head coaching job, I also miss his father very much, eventho he never won a playoff game here, heck, bring back Randal Cunningham as a special coach on the offense...

[LacesOut]

I was happy for him and all of the coaches and all of the players.  Kinda cool to see them all come out onto the field like that and show emotion, and coaches giving hugs.  That stuff is usually reserved for college ball.  So it's nice to - once in awhile - see that grown men do have those emotions.

I bet it was a great plane ride home back to Philly last night.

[badmeetsevil]

sameoldsameold, on 10 December 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

What's the big deal about an Eagle's losing season, geez, if that gets your panties in a ball than how could you possibly be an Eagle's fan? Hello, most of the Eagle's seasons have been sub-five hundred. you like the Eagles because you're from Philly and live near the city, and you like to watch football, heck, if they never win the Superbowl it will be no sweat off my back, been through that disappointment with Plunket and Matuzak and Brady and a vomiting McNab, (T-O was right, as was Rush), but it's still great to be an Eagles fan. As for Andy, he had fourteen fun years here, now it's time for him to try his luck somewhere else. I'm still disappointed we didn't get Vermil back instead of Reid way back when...hopefully we can get sexy rexy as a defensive coordinator next year, but keep him away from personnel decisions and the head coaching job, I also miss his father very much, eventho he never won a playoff game here, heck, bring back Randal Cunningham as a special coach on the offense...

This might be one of the dumbest posts in the history of this forum.

[KOJO]

badmeetsevil, on 10 December 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

This might be one of the dumbest posts in the history of this forum.

Some people are just happy to be here. What are you gonna do?

[djbigf]

eaglesaddict, on 10 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

It was a meaningless win, meaningless wins aren't hard to come by. That's what bad teams do, win meaningless games because they lost too many for the game to mean anything.

and that's all reid's been able to deliver, 14 years' worth of meaningless wins against weak competition before inevitably folding when faced with the NFL's elite.

[eaglesaddict]

ckudrick, on 10 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

The point of this thread was simply to be a little happy for a man who lost a child, is likely about the be fired and was in the midst of the worst losing streak of his career.  Yes, this game didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it was nice to see a good guy who is enduring a very rough year experience a little happiness.  Then a bunch of you had to come in this thread (instead of posting in one of the many "Reid Sucks" threads) and crap all over it and him.  Typical.

If winning 4 games in 14 weeks brings that much light to his life than maybe he should've taken a break from football after his son died and took time to grieve and be with his family instead of spending it all at Novacare and all around the country. It's obvious his personal life has dramatically effected his coaching, he's done the team, the fans and his family a disservice by not taking the year off. There isn't a person in the organization that wouldn't have understood and had his old job waiting for him next year.

[ckudrick]

eaglesaddict, on 11 December 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

If winning 4 games in 14 weeks brings that much light to his life than maybe he should've taken a break from football after his son died and took time to grieve and be with his family instead of spending it all at Novacare and all around the country. It's obvious his personal life has dramatically effected his coaching, he's done the team, the fans and his family a disservice by not taking the year off. There isn't a person in the organization that wouldn't have understood and had his old job waiting for him next year.

No one can judge how he chose to handle the situation - everyone grieves differently & maybe getting back to football was what he needed to do to try to regain some sense of normalcy in his life.  As far as the win, he wasn't celebrating 4 wins in 14 weeks - he was celebrating snapping an 8 game losing streak.  All I said in my original post that I was ready for a coaching change, but that it was nice to see a guy who has had a very tough year experience a moment of levity.  God, are you people really that miserable and bitter that you just can't be happy for the man?  And, if not, you can't keep it to yourself?

[Rodney_Zero]

djbigf, on 10 December 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

and that's all reid's been able to deliver, 14 years' worth of meaningless wins against weak competition before inevitably folding when faced with the NFL's elite.

Sounds like Bellicheck in the last 9 years, esp against the Giants in the SB not once but twice, why?, he lost all of the players Carrol & Parcells left him on D

[KOJO]

Rodney_Zero, on 11 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Sounds like Bellicheck in the last 9 years, esp against the Giants in the SB not once but twice, why?, he lost all of the players Carrol & Parcells left him on D

I can't believe you are seriously trying to counter a point about Reid by using Belichick.

[Rodney_Zero]

KOJO, on 11 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I can't believe you are seriously trying to counter a point about Reid by using Belichick.

On the EMB, it's clear Reid has'nt won a SB, BB won it last in 04, NFL fact "if you don't win a SB the season was a failure" sure BB has 3

[mjkvol]

KOJO, on 11 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I can't believe you are seriously trying to counter a point about Reid by using Belichick.

That's Rodney's very bizarre M.O. - he'll routinely rip a 3-time SB winning coach who is a first ballot Hall of Famer, and is primarily responsible for most of the success Parcells had, all in an effort to defend a guy who never won a thing, and is essentially a .500 coach since 2004.

Go figure.

[Rodney_Zero]

KOJO, on 11 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I can't believe you are seriously trying to counter a point about Reid by using Belichick.

Everyone on the EMB says' "Reid started to lose becasue he lost Ray Rhodes Players/draftees", same thing applys to Bellicheck

mjkvol, on 11 December 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

That's Rodney's very bizarre M.O. - he'll routinely rip a 3-time SB winning coach who is a first ballot Hall of Famer, and is primarily responsible for most of the success Parcells had, all in an effort to defend a guy who never won a thing, and is essentially a .500 coach since 2004.

Go figure.

Parcells won every where he went, BB has'nt

[mjkvol]

Rodney_Zero, on 11 December 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Everyone on the EMB says' "Reid started to lose becasue he lost Ray Rhodes Players/draftees", same thing applys to Bellicheck

Granted the Pats haven't won since 2004, but do you seriously want to compare Belicheck's record since then to Reid's?

Seriously?