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[exesandohs]

At one point in the game, the announcers made a comment about Nick Foles's intelligence.  They said that the Eagles (like the Colts and the Redskins and the Seahawks) did not have to simplify things for their rookie qb's to be able to succeed.  They talked about how each of these guys could succeed in any system because of their abilities to learn quickly.

There was no mention of Vick, just that the Eagles could, all of a sudden, make full use of a variety of offensive sets.

Am I reading too much into this, or does that sound like the Eagles couldn't use their entire offensive package because Vick couldn't handle it?

[knapp_nick]

vick bashing in 3.. 2... 1.....

[exesandohs]

Actually, that was my intent in asking the question.  Is this "covert" Vick bashing, or was it just an innocent comment that I--as an overly sensitive Eagles apologist--am reading too much into?

I am not the most objective person to make this call, so I thought I'd see if others noticed the comment as well.

[NJTroop]

Heard Mike and Ike talking about that on the radio this afternoon. They mentioned how much better Foles is at recognizing what the defense is trying to do. Here he is 4 games into his career and he already reads defenses better than Vick. As mentioned earlier, it is way too soon to call this guy the future of the franchise, but you have to like what you see from the kid at this point.

[aspiritfall]

Vick sucks

[imp81318]

exesandohs, on 10 December 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

At one point in the game, the announcers made a comment about Nick Foles's intelligence.  They said that the Eagles (like the Colts and the Redskins and the Seahawks) did not have to simplify things for their rookie qb's to be able to succeed.  They talked about how each of these guys could succeed in any system because of their abilities to learn quickly.

There was no mention of Vick, just that the Eagles could, all of a sudden, make full use of a variety of offensive sets.

Am I reading too much into this, or does that sound like the Eagles couldn't use their entire offensive package because Vick couldn't handle it?

I don't recall hearing the conversation you're referring to, but the bolded line does not really seem to match your description in the first couple of lines of your post.  It sounds to me like the point they were making was that the Foles is able to handle the entire play book and they don't have to limit things while he gets up to speed on everything like they would have to do with most rookies.  It sounds to me like the conversation had absolutely nothing to do with Vick in any way and you're just looking to start ish, either consciously or sub-consciously.

[baldbird]

I dont think they didn't run a play on the fact vick didn't get it I think the playbook was diffrent for Vick from his style of play. That being said I think the big diffrence is how Foles can see the field and read the D I think that is what opens things up for Foles over Vick. You can tell Foles is a very smart kid and gets things pretty fast and that is good to see.

[wvjerome]

exesandohs, on 10 December 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

At one point in the game, the announcers made a comment about Nick Foles's intelligence.  They said that the Eagles (like the Colts and the Redskins and the Seahawks) did not have to simplify things for their rookie qb's to be able to succeed.  They talked about how each of these guys could succeed in any system because of their abilities to learn quickly.

There was no mention of Vick, just that the Eagles could, all of a sudden, make full use of a variety of offensive sets.

Am I reading too much into this, or does that sound like the Eagles couldn't use their entire offensive package because Vick couldn't handle it?

Mike Vick and Nick Foles are different players so the offense would be ran differently depending on who is starting. There are plays the Eagles wont run with Foles that they would with Vick. The Announcers are wrong about the Eagles not simplifying the offense as well. Since Foles has been in the Eagles have used several of the same plays numerous time in a game and sometimes on the same drive. They have also made a concerted effort to try and run the football. The offense has been dummied down a little for Foles. That's okay, because sometimes less is more.

[time2rock]

exesandohs, on 10 December 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Actually, that was my intent in asking the question.  Is this "covert" Vick bashing, or was it just an innocent comment that I--as an overly sensitive Eagles apologist--am reading too much into?

I am not the most objective person to make this call, so I thought I'd see if others noticed the comment as well.

Vick--"squish--like grape"

[exesandohs]

imp81318, on 10 December 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

I don't recall hearing the conversation you're referring to, but the bolded line does not really seem to match your description in the first couple of lines of your post.  It sounds to me like the point they were making was that the Foles is able to handle the entire play book and they don't have to limit things while he gets up to speed on everything like they would have to do with most rookies.  It sounds to me like the conversation had absolutely nothing to do with Vick in any way and you're just looking to start ish, either consciously or sub-consciously.

How does it not match?  Because "the Eagles (like the Colts and the Redskins and the Seahawks) did not have to simplify things," they "could, all of a sudden, make full use of a variety of offensive sets."  The point was that there are several rookie qb's in the league right now who are playing with a pretty wide variety of offensive options.  The comment by the announcers seemed to imply that this "offensive variety" was a new thing for the Eagles--hence, my question about Vick.

It follows logically, yes?

[imp81318]

exesandohs, on 10 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

How does it not match?  Because "the Eagles (like the Colts and the Redskins and the Seahawks) did not have to simplify things," they "could, all of a sudden, make full use of a variety of offensive sets."  The point was that there are several rookie qb's in the league right now who are playing with a pretty wide variety of offensive options.  The comment by the announcers seemed to imply that this "offensive variety" was a new thing for the Eagles--hence, my question about Vick.

It follows logically, yes?

If the announcers made the comment about the Eagles 'all of a sudden' being able to use the full offensive playbook, then yes.  The way that I read your post, however, I took it as though the first paragraph was what the announcers said (comparing Foles to RG3, Luck, etc) and the second line about 'all of a sudden' being your take and extrapolation on what they said about Foles as it would apply to Vick.

[bobeph]

Vick is dumb, and he sucks, Brah.

[NJTroop]

Honestly, who f'ing cares if this is covert Vick bashing. What's with all the skirt wearing today? Vick was given three seasons to get the job done and he couldn't do it. Listen to him and watch the games and you will see that he refused to do the things that make an NFL quarterback successful. The guy couldn't learn how to slide feet-first for cripes sake. And when it came to reading defenses, there were times when he couldn't see the front-side defensive end coming. I was rooting for Mike Vick to take us the distance but, after 3 years, it is clear that he can't do it. So we all move on.

Good luck as a backup with another team Mike. No hard feelings.

[scott time]

It's obvious Vick is no Peyton Manning when it comes to understanding offense.

[Ipspots]

scott time, on 10 December 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

It's obvious Vick is no Peyton Manning when it comes to understanding offense.

Sadly this is his undoing. He could have been a great Qb had he just spent the time to learn the position.

RG3 is way ahead of where Vick ever was. He can play formnthe pocket and read defenses etc.

[vic92353]

knapp_nick, on 10 December 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

vick bashing in 3.. 2... 1.....

I think it's at 113 Vick Sucks/Hatred threads now.  He is closing in the McNabb sucks/Hate threads for the record.  All you have to say is the sky is dreary today, and someone will say something like Michael Vick is probaly turning the ball over somewhere.  This is amazing how some people hate McNabb and Michael Vick so much.  

[odin8888]

Before the game I bumped into a Patriots fan in the hotel lobby, he said "at least you have a shot now with Vick gone"?

I praise Vicks effort, but he is what he is.. short and running back with a strong arm... and a ton of heart/efort to win...   Those are the positives... LOL It is just not enough to win a championship

[Ipspots]

vic92353, on 12 December 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I think it's at 113 Vick Sucks/Hatred threads now.  He is closing in the McNabb sucks/Hate threads for the record.  All you have to say is the sky is dreary today, and someone will say something like Michael Vick is probaly turning the ball over somewhere.  This is amazing how some people hate McNabb and Michael Vick so much.  

and as long as he is still on the roster, there will be more Vick suks threads...... You cant hide from the TRUTH

[William Rudy]

exesandohs, on 10 December 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

At one point in the game, the announcers made a comment about Nick Foles's intelligence.  They said that the Eagles (like the Colts and the Redskins and the Seahawks) did not have to simplify things for their rookie qb's to be able to succeed.  They talked about how each of these guys could succeed in any system because of their abilities to learn quickly.

There was no mention of Vick, just that the Eagles could, all of a sudden, make full use of a variety of offensive sets.

Am I reading too much into this, or does that sound like the Eagles couldn't use their entire offensive package because Vick couldn't handle it?

No you are not reading too much into it.  Jim Mora stated in the past that, while in Atlanta, he dumbed down the offense for Vick.  Vick was too lazy to learn much during his Atlanta days.  There were statements made that Vick was still learning to play QB while with the Eagles.  Apparently he is a very slow learner.

[kb420]

"In the fourth quarter, the only thing on my mind was jumping in the Mystery Machine with Scooby, and going home. I'm really surprised we won.  Now I owe Scooby a whole box of Scooby Snacks!"