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[NEPAEAGLE2]

While the trend is always to have 3 or 4 WRs on most plays, I wonder if a prospective new coach might see this team as a 2-RB team for a majority or plurality of plays...basically running a 21 personnel (or 20) system in most situations. A creative offensive mind could see huge potential with Brown and Shady being on the field together as a default base offense. The wrinkle is whether to go 3 WR or 2 WR and a TE.

From this personnel base, a myriad of plays can work in all types of situations...all disguised from a similar starting personnel with little tweaks in formation and motion.

That doesn't mean you never see 4 or 5 WR sets or 0 WR sets. They would simply used sparingly and strategically. I think a system that keeps Brown and Shady on the field sets up so much potential. McCoy can motion to pretty much anywhere and exploit match up problems while Brown stays put. But as what?? A runner? A blocker? A decoy? Who knows?? The Eagles would know. And that's all that matters. Defenses would get little in the way of hints. As time goes on, the Eagles could fine tune pre-snap contingencies for Foles (or whoever) to audible so as to stay ahead of the defense. But it all hinges on a Westbrook-like RB who can do almost anything...like I think Shady can be.

[iluvdaeagles]

no to me we have a similar situation to the texans

shady is the guy but bryce should get around 8 touches a game

[BtotheH]

We can use both backs in each game but McCoy should get the bulk carries. McCoy only needs to come off of the field if he is gassed or his shoes comes untied.

[AceofSpades]

If they wanna truly help Foles out going forward, that's the way to do it. McCoy should obviously be the featured back with Bryce Brown being used as a change of pace back.

[NEPAEAGLE2]

Agreed on all posts. Yet, I see the potential for an offensive style that could be far more effective than anything we see now. The problems for a defense against an offense that masterfully runs a 21 personnel package of plays in a myriad of formations could be huge. From play action to screen to deep routes and everything in between, there's a lot of damage that can be done when a defense has to deal with a formation that can be anything with 2 serious run threats.

they see Avant, DeSean and Maclin with Brown and McCoy side by side in the backfield and Foles under center. What's coming? You just don't know. It could be anything. As long as Brown can block decently or slow down a LB, there are lots of plays that can work there for Shady....or vice versa. That's the beauty. I dunno. I just think there's a huge potential for maybe running about half the plays or maybe even more from that personnel.

[mike030270]

As long as we use the 2 RBs. What a waste it has been to have 4 RBs on the roster this season

NEPAEAGLE2, on 11 December 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

Agreed on all posts. Yet, I see the potential for an offensive style that could be far more effective than anything we see now. The problems for a defense against an offense that masterfully runs a 21 personnel package of plays in a myriad of formations could be huge. From play action to screen to deep routes and everything in between, there's a lot of damage that can be done when a defense has to deal with a formation that can be anything with 2 serious run threats.

they see Avant, DeSean and Maclin with Brown and McCoy side by side in the backfield and Foles under center. What's coming? You just don't know. It could be anything. As long as Brown can block decently or slow down a LB, there are lots of plays that can work there for Shady....or vice versa. That's the beauty. I dunno. I just think there's a huge potential for maybe running about half the plays or maybe even more from that personnel.

Shady can't really block.

[eglz1]

B-West was McNabb's favorite receiver for a while.  If Shady can catch coming out of the backfield, yeah that could be interesting.  It might also fit Foles strengths.  I doubt Foles will ever be a deep-ball all or nothing quarterback but has demonstrated an ability to not run around 4 seconds deciding what to do. So yeah.

[downsoufeagleluva]

I would like to see Shadys blocking improve....but yes I would love to see an offensive attack next season where the defense cant just key on two players.

NEPAEAGLE2, on 11 December 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

While the trend is always to have 3 or 4 WRs on most plays, I wonder if a prospective new coach might see this team as a 2-RB team for a majority or plurality of plays...basically running a 21 personnel (or 20) system in most situations. A creative offensive mind could see huge potential with Brown and Shady being on the field together as a default base offense. The wrinkle is whether to go 3 WR or 2 WR and a TE.

From this personnel base, a myriad of plays can work in all types of situations...all disguised from a similar starting personnel with little tweaks in formation and motion.

That doesn't mean you never see 4 or 5 WR sets or 0 WR sets. They would simply used sparingly and strategically. I think a system that keeps Brown and Shady on the field sets up so much potential. McCoy can motion to pretty much anywhere and exploit match up problems while Brown stays put. But as what?? A runner? A blocker? A decoy? Who knows?? The Eagles would know. And that's all that matters. Defenses would get little in the way of hints. As time goes on, the Eagles could fine tune pre-snap contingencies for Foles (or whoever) to audible so as to stay ahead of the defense. But it all hinges on a Westbrook-like RB who can do almost anything...like I think Shady can be.

[NEPAEAGLE2]

downsoufeagleluva, on 11 December 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

I would like to see Shadys blocking improve....but yes I would love to see an offensive attack next season where the defense cant just key on two players.

Me too. In know if I am watching and I see our 3 main WRS (or 2 of them with Celek or Harbor) and Brown and Shady side by side behind Foles under center, I have absolutely no idea what's coming. None. It can be literally anything. That's a beautiful thought. And depending on what the D shows them, the assignments can change. Foles can handle that just fine I think.

[EagleVA]

NEPAEAGLE2, on 11 December 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

That doesn't mean you never see 4 or 5 WR sets or 0 WR sets. They would simply used sparingly and strategically. I think a system that keeps Brown and Shady on the field sets up so much potential. McCoy can motion to pretty much anywhere and exploit match up problems while Brown stays put. But as what?? A runner? A blocker? A decoy? Who knows??

No, it's Brown that goes in motion and he ends up in the slot on most plays, the guy has hands of a WR.

[iluvdaeagles]

EagleVA, on 11 December 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

No, it's Brown that goes in motion and he ends up in the slot on most plays, the guy has hands of a WR.

no he doesn't

[cmurl5]

AceofSpades, on 11 December 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

If they wanna truly help Foles out going forward, that's the way to do it. McCoy should obviously be the featured back with Bryce Brown being used as a change of pace back.

This. McCoy is a top-5 RB, and Brown is a promising young player.

Next HC & OC should copy the Texans offensive scheme...strong running game, two TE sets, tall QB that can execute play action pass game.

[EagleVA]

iluvdaeagles, on 11 December 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

no he doesn't

yes he does

[The_Talon]

didn't the Cowboys try that with Tony Dorsett and Herschal Walker and it failed miserably? The best way to do it is use one to spell the other, and then only use the two together in select packages.

[Baynit]

Yea i'd like to see about a 3 to 1 split with the occaisional two back set.

[philaphan018]

mccoy is arian foster, bryce brown can act as ben tate... rick dennison for HC, ken whisenhunt for OC, this works perfectly

[eagle45]

You can only hand the ball off to one halfback and that back can only hit one hole.  The other is useless on the play, not even much of a decoy.

3 great wrs...they pull coverages and create opporutnities on every passing play, whether they get the ball or not.  Running offenses are obsolete.

[iluvdaeagles]

EagleVA, on 11 December 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

yes he does

no he doesnt

bryce brown does not have the hands of a WR