42 replies to this topic

[EagleJoe8]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 15 December 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

I was about to call you out on the date, I was thinking "No way the 2 point conversion has been in play since 1998!" I looked it up and see it was adopted in 1994! Man time flies. Seems like they just started that.

I'll always remember it was in 1994 because that was the year Kotite couldn't decide what to do in Dallas because his "chart got wet".

[VaBeach_Eagle]

EagleJoe8, on 15 December 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

I'll always remember it was in 1994 because that was the year Kotite couldn't decide what to do in Dallas because his "chart got wet".

Who was he again? I've blocked him out of my memory.

[dmor]

EaglesCB37, on 11 December 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

When you score a touchdown and PAT you're essentially scoring twice, one time for 6 another for 1. In overtime, the only way a team can score and still allow the opponents to have a shot is if they score a field goal on the first possession. So, if they score a touchdown, the PAT is meaningless. Although, during regulation PATs are always required after touchdowns. Say the Bucs had blocked the PAT and returned it, then they would have won 23-22. I actually said how the Eagles would have been smart to kneel the ball to prevent the very low chance the Bucs block the kick and return it.

Once a PAT is blocked, the ball is dead.  The other team can't score on the block of a PAT.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

dmor, on 15 December 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Once a PAT is blocked, the ball is dead.  The other team can't score on the block of a PAT.

I don't remember the exact rule, is it dead as soon as it's blocked or as soon as the defense recovers the ball? I think it's dead on the block but since you can score a conversion with a pass or run, I'm not positive if the block itself ends the play.

[FranklinFldEBUpper]

I don't think a blocked PAT makes the play dead. Couldn't the kicking team recover the ball and advance it over the goal line, similar to that remarkable Clyde Simmons play at Giants Stadium in '88?

Obviously if the defending team recovered the ball, the play would be dead.

[EagleJoe8]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 15 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

I don't remember the exact rule, is it dead as soon as it's blocked or as soon as the defense recovers the ball? I think it's dead on the block but since you can score a conversion with a pass or run, I'm not positive if the block itself ends the play.

I could be wrong, but I think it depends on if the ball crosses the LOS or not. I think if it's blocked but doesn't cross the LOS, it could be recovered and advanced by the kicking team, whereas if it's blocked and goes past the LOS, it's a dead ball.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

EagleJoe8, on 15 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

I could be wrong, but I think it depends on if the ball crosses the LOS or not. I think if it's blocked but doesn't cross the LOS, it could be recovered and advanced by the kicking team, whereas if it's blocked and goes past the LOS, it's a dead ball.

I know that's the case with a FG, think back to the Miracle at the Meadowlands II (1988 season) when the Gnats blocked the Eagles FG attempt and Clyde Simmons picked it up and ran it in for the game winning TD and you're probably right about it with a PAT too, unless it's just automatically dead upon the block. I'm just not sure of a PAT can be advanced by anything other than the kick.

FranklinFldEBUpper, on 15 December 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

I don't think a blocked PAT makes the play dead. Couldn't the kicking team recover the ball and advance it over the goal line, similar to that remarkable Clyde Simmons play at Giants Stadium in '88?

Obviously if the defending team recovered the ball, the play would be dead.

lol I just mentioned the Simmons play before I saw your post...

Like I said there, that was a FG though and not a PAT. It may be covered by the same rule but I'm not sure.

[EagleJoe8]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 15 December 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I know that's the case with a FG, think back to the Miracle at the Meadowlands II (1988 season) when the Gnats blocked the Eagles FG attempt and Clyde Simmons picked it up and ran it in for the game winning TD and you're probably right about it with a PAT too, unless it's just automatically dead upon the block. I'm just not sure of a PAT can be advanced by anything other than the kick.

lol I just mentioned the Simmons play before I saw your post...

Like I said there, that was a FG though and not a PAT. It may be covered by the same rule but I'm not sure.

The Simmons play happened before I started following the game, but before the 2PC was added, I seem to recall a game where a team, (I can't recall who the teams were) got a PAT by running the ball in the EZ for the normal 1 point. I can't remember though if it was due to a blocked kick, or if they actually did that intentionally.

[MightyJNC]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 15 December 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I know that's the case with a FG, think back to the Miracle at the Meadowlands II (1988 season) when the Gnats blocked the Eagles FG attempt and Clyde Simmons picked it up and ran it in for the game winning TD and you're probably right about it with a PAT too, unless it's just automatically dead upon the block. I'm just not sure of a PAT can be advanced by anything other than the kick.

A.R. 11.3

An attempted Try-kick is blocked. Offensive A1 recovers behind the line and advances across the goal line or recovers
in defense’s end zone.

Ruling:
No score in either case. The ball is dead as soon as its failure as a kick to score a Try is evident.

[HaroldTheSecond]

EagleJoe8, on 15 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

The Simmons play happened before I started following the game, but before the 2PC was added, I seem to recall a game where a team, (I can't recall who the teams were) got a PAT by running the ball in the EZ for the normal 1 point. I can't remember though if it was due to a blocked kick, or if they actually did that intentionally.

Well I was following the game then - and when Pete Liske was flat on his derriere when he threw the winning touchdown in that game in Detroit in 1971.

As for the Simmons play, it was:

1. On a FG attempt, not on an extra-point attempt; and

2. In overtime.

[FranklinFldEBUpper]

MightyJNC, on 16 December 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

A.R. 11.3

An attempted Try-kick is blocked. Offensive A1 recovers behind the line and advances across the goal line or recovers
in defense’s end zone.

Ruling:
This appears to be correct. My rule book shows this wording: "If the kicking team recovers a kick behind the line during a Try-kick the ball is dead immediately (11-3-1)".No score in either case. The ball is dead as soon as its failure as a kick to score a Try is evident.

[Wallyhorse]

EagleJoe8, on 15 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

The Simmons play happened before I started following the game, but before the 2PC was added, I seem to recall a game where a team, (I can't recall who the teams were) got a PAT by running the ball in the EZ for the normal 1 point. I can't remember though if it was due to a blocked kick, or if they actually did that intentionally.

It was Jack Youngblood, playing for the then-LA Rams sometime in the '80s who did run a PAT in after a bad snap as I recall when there was no two-point conversion.

Otherwise, on a PAT if it's blocked, intercepted or recovered by the defense, the ball is dead.  That as noted is a rule I would change to where it's the same as college football, where if you have that the defense can run the ball back for two points (that rule even applies to overtime in CFB if the team going first in an OT scores a TD).  

[EaglesRocker97]

Since it's been mentioned:

[media][media]