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[Don Corleone]

I agree, running QB doesn't make you a dumb QB. My point was, no team in the last 15 years has won a SB with a Mike Vick/Tim Tebow type QB.

I also wasn't trying to make this a Vick vs RGIII discussion, I simply mentioned he is the new Mike Vick because of what he does, his durability like Vicks is a question, that is all.

[blindside]

The fact that we're even talking about this is ridiculous to me.

[Audit2]

mike030270, on 13 December 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Amazing how a thread about Foles can turn into another Vick thread. Even more amazing is the same thread can turn into a comparison thread of Vick and RG3

Haters are passionate with their beliefs. Lol!

[Audit2]

Audit2, on 12 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

I'm giving the Rook plenty of credit.  The simple truth is the Bucs passing D was atrocious and it was sweet that Foles took advantage of it.  The guy is playing good but a true test is Thursday Night.  Go Eagles!!

He failed.  Can't connect on the deep passes is a death sentence with our receivers.

[Phila.:chip]

hmm...I wonder where are the Foles lovers are at ?

[eephraim]

I'm not a Foles lover per se (like I wouldn't want his schlong in me or anything) but I do think he still played well. The team TEAM let him down.

Understand team sports?

He has an issue with the long ball though. It's getting obvious.

[zenclaybourne]

eephraim, on 14 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I'm not a Foles lover per se (like I wouldn't want his schlong in me or anything) but I do think he still played well. The team TEAM let him down.

Understand team sports?

He has an issue with the long ball though. It's getting obvious.

Thank you for being an Eagle fan. I know you still like Vick, but you make it clear that you're not a fan just because of one player unlike some on here.

[neal_c60]

Phila.:chip, on 14 December 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

hmm...I wonder where are the Foles lovers are at ?

Why would a "foles lover" hide today?

The rook actually played pretty well for 4 days rest, no starters left on 'O', and an opponent in a 'must win' situation. The kids one int. didn't help, but in light of 73 of his team mates turning the ball over too, it isn't like it was the lone mistake that cost us the game.


Given the circumstances, the rook played pretty damn well, actually. At least he didn't turn in a 4 pick off, 2 fumble game like Mike's given us this year.

[Audit2]

neal_c60, on 14 December 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Why would a "foles lover" hide today?

The rook actually played pretty well for 4 days rest, no starters left on 'O', and an opponent in a 'must win' situation. The kids one int. didn't help, but in light of 73 of his team mates turning the ball over too, it isn't like it was the lone mistake that cost us the game.


Given the circumstances, the rook played pretty damn well, actually. At least he didn't turn in a 4 pick off, 2 fumble game like Mike's given us this year.

Foles was terrible again.  The guy is a waste of time if he continue to struggle with the deep passes.  This is definitely Kolb 2.0 (Hype over substance).

[PrinceKelby]

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Foles was terrible again.  The guy is a waste of time if he continue to struggle with the deep passes.  This is definitely Kolb 2.0 (Hype over substance).

How was he "terrible" exactly?  He made some incredibly tough throws into some tough spaces.  Had one really bad INT.  He needs to improve his long ball but other than that it's about all he has to work on. . .unlike other QB's on our team. . .

He's hardly Kolb 2.0.  You really just spout off from your mouth and think you know anything about what you're talking about don't you. . .

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

He failed.  Can't connect on the deep passes is a death sentence with our receivers.

Only in this stupid scheme AR runs. . .but you again are showing your lack of football IQ so proceed.

[Ipspots]

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Foles was terrible again.  The guy is a waste of time if he continue to struggle with the deep passes.  This is definitely Kolb 2.0 (Hype over substance).

And you call oters haters  .... Foles threw a very bad pass... Last time I checked all QB's do that.   Otherwise Foles did ok for a Rookie on this team.

Foles didn't have a punt blocked, he didn't Fumble the ball 5 times......


But you see your hatred your way...

Foles MAY or MAY not be the guy, but he still played ok. In fact he still played better than our last starting QB has this year. Foles only turned it over once in this game.

[achdumeingute]

blindside, on 13 December 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

OK... everything I said still applies. Griffin is light years ahead of Vick coming out of college. And he hasn't beaten anyone with his arm yet.. doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. The coaches are easing him in.  Its smart..

But whatever.

Yeah, and Vick was asked to play schoolyard ball because he wouldn't put in the time to learn. Griffin, by all accounts doesn't have that problem..

Which is why RG3 has a chance to be great, and Vick is what he is.

Vick is probably the most naturally talented QB I've ever seen...

[Ipspots]

People who think Foles was horrible last night fall into one of these categories

1) Hater for what ever reasons
2) Retarded
3) On drugs
4) Just complete morons about Football
5) all of the above


You idiots can choose which fits you best

achdumeingute, on 14 December 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

Which is why RG3 has a chance to be great, and Vick is what he is.

Vick WAS probably the most naturally talented athlete I've ever seen...

FYP for accuracy

[Audit2]

When will you guys realize that you can't win in this league with checkdowns passes? Foles seems to be a good kid, very likeable but he's no better than Kolb.  DJ and JM are small receivers that rely on their speed to stretch the field but it's useless if you can't make the throw.

[ChimpKelly]

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

When will you guys realize that you can't win in this league with checkdowns passes? Foles seems to be a good kid, very likeable but he's no better than Kolb.  DJ and JM are small receivers that rely on their speed to stretch the field but it's useless if you can't make the throw.

Have you ever heard of improving? Foles isn't a 10 year vet.

[PrinceKelby]

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

When will you guys realize that you can't win in this league with checkdowns passes? Foles seems to be a good kid, very likeable but he's no better than Kolb.  DJ and JM are small receivers that rely on their speed to stretch the field but it's useless if you can't make the throw.

Again. . .it depends on the offensive scheme nitwit.  Tom Brady seems to do pretty well at winning games checking down A LOT.

[BMFEagle]

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

When will you guys realize that you can't win in this league with checkdowns passes? Foles seems to be a good kid, very likeable but he's no better than Kolb.  DJ and JM are small receivers that rely on their speed to stretch the field but it's useless if you can't make the throw.

Foles is physically capable of making that throw. It is a matter of timing with the receivers. yeah he under threw Maclin on that INT but on Sunday he was overthrowing guys. It isn't like Kolb where he lacked the strength in his arm to go deep.

[phonz3]

phillyphan754, on 14 December 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Have you ever heard of improving? Foles isn't a 10 year vet.

This logic is so played out.  Rookie QBs are playing all over the place.  2 rookie QBs are ahead of Rex Grossman in DC...  Who cares how long they have been in the league?  Tannehill over Moore in Miami...  Wilson over Flynn in Seattle and Weeden over McCoy in Clev.  Luck looks like a vet already - he is asked to do more than all these other guys and they are going to make the playoffs - they don't even have a legitimate back-up.  That is how good he is.

At some point, Foles has to start making throws downfield and completing some of them.  He's looked great moving around in the pocket... standing in there and taking some hits... making some good reads - checking it down.  He's done a lot of great things especially vs. TB and other games when the running game was going strong.   But, it isn't any more impressive than any of these other rookie QBs around the league.

People get so hyped up on potential.  Yeah - all these QBs are decent NFL players, but they aren't all going to be franchise QBs.  Luck will be most likely.  RG3 has a chance if he stays healthy.  Everyone else could be good or they could be Mark Sanchez.  Franchise QBs don't grow on trees, but eveyone wants to make you think there were 6 franchise QBs in the 2012 draft...  Just like 1999, when McNabb was drafted (with Couch, Culpepper, McCown and Akili Smith)... or even the great 83 class (Elway, Kelly, Marino, Blackledge, O'Brien and Tony Eason).  Out of all those great QB classes only 2 Super Bowl wins (both by Elway).  PS - Did you know the Eagles drafted Michael Haddix 8th overall in that legendary 83 draft?  5 Hall of Famers were picked after him and 2 before him.

[Audit2]

phonz3, on 14 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

This logic is so played out.  Rookie QBs are playing all over the place.  2 rookie QBs are ahead of Rex Grossman in DC...  Who cares how long they have been in the league?  Tannehill over Moore in Miami...  Wilson over Flynn in Seattle and Weeden over McCoy in Clev.  Luck looks like a vet already - he is asked to do more than all these other guys and they are going to make the playoffs - they don't even have a legitimate back-up.  That is how good he is.

At some point, Foles has to start making throws downfield and completing some of them.  He's looked great moving around in the pocket... standing in there and taking some hits... making some good reads - checking it down.  He's done a lot of great things especially vs. TB and other games when the running game was going strong.   But, it isn't any more impressive than any of these other rookie QBs around the league.

People get so hyped up on potential.  Yeah - all these QBs are decent NFL players, but they aren't all going to be franchise QBs.  Luck will be most likely.  RG3 has a chance if he stays healthy.  Everyone else could be good or they could be Mark Sanchez.  Franchise QBs don't grow on trees, but eveyone wants to make you think there were 6 franchise QBs in the 2012 draft...  Just like 1999, when McNabb was drafted (with Couch, Culpepper, McCown and Akili Smith)... or even the great 83 class (Elway, Kelly, Marino, Blackledge, O'Brien and Tony Eason).  Out of all those great QB classes only 2 Super Bowl wins (both by Elway).  PS - Did you know the Eagles drafted Michael Haddix 8th overall in that legendary 83 draft?  5 Hall of Famers were picked after him and 2 before him.

Bringing the knowledge!  Great job.

[time2rock]

phonz3, on 14 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

This logic is so played out.  Rookie QBs are playing all over the place.  2 rookie QBs are ahead of Rex Grossman in DC...  Who cares how long they have been in the league?  Tannehill over Moore in Miami...  Wilson over Flynn in Seattle and Weeden over McCoy in Clev.  Luck looks like a vet already - he is asked to do more than all these other guys and they are going to make the playoffs - they don't even have a legitimate back-up.  That is how good he is.

At some point, Foles has to start making throws downfield and completing some of them.  He's looked great moving around in the pocket... standing in there and taking some hits... making some good reads - checking it down.  He's done a lot of great things especially vs. TB and other games when the running game was going strong.   But, it isn't any more impressive than any of these other rookie QBs around the league.

People get so hyped up on potential.  Yeah - all these QBs are decent NFL players, but they aren't all going to be franchise QBs.  Luck will be most likely.  RG3 has a chance if he stays healthy.  Everyone else could be good or they could be Mark Sanchez.  Franchise QBs don't grow on trees, but eveyone wants to make you think there were 6 franchise QBs in the 2012 draft...  Just like 1999, when McNabb was drafted (with Couch, Culpepper, McCown and Akili Smith)... or even the great 83 class (Elway, Kelly, Marino, Blackledge, O'Brien and Tony Eason).  Out of all those great QB classes only 2 Super Bowl wins (both by Elway).  PS - Did you know the Eagles drafted Michael Haddix 8th overall in that legendary 83 draft?  5 Hall of Famers were picked after him and 2 before him.

This is a great post.  But I don't think people here are comparing Foles to other rookie QBs around the league - it's more of a comparison of what we have on our roster (he offers more upside to anyone currently or anyone in the past 5 years, including Kolb and the final years of Donovan).  But your point is certainly valid regarding the failure rate of QBs to deliver the hardware, and expectations should be tempered.

[Audit2]

time2rock, on 15 December 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

This is a great post.  But I don't think people here are comparing Foles to other rookie QBs around the league - it's more of a comparison of what we have on our roster (he offers more upside to anyone currently or anyone in the past 5 years, including Kolb and the final years of Donovan).  But your point is certainly valid regarding the failure rate of QBs to deliver the hardware, and expectations should be tempered.

!   The guys is nothing more at this time but a taller version of Kolb.

[time2rock]

Audit2, on 15 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

!   The guys is nothing more at this time but a taller version of Kolb.

That's what all the mental midgets are saying these days.

[eglz1]

Audit2, on 14 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Foles was terrible again.  The guy is a waste of time if he continue to struggle with the deep passes.  This is definitely Kolb 2.0 (Hype over substance).

Foles does need to improve his deep ball no question.  I think your argument would carry more weight if Foles  like Luck, RGIII,  and others were the unquestioned #1 all through training camp and preseason.  He wasn't.  It seems a little premature to write him off after 4 starts when the rest of his game has looked pretty flippin' good.  What was the last team that has won the Super Bowl or even gone deep into the playoffs relying primarily on the home run pass?  I can't think of one though there may be.  Do the Eagles need a deep enough threat to keep the D from putting 8+ in the box?  Of course.  But counting heavily on the deep ball seems like a recipe for lots of yards - great stats - and not so many points.  

Hmmmm, does that sound familiar?