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[wvjerome]

I'm just curious why so many people are obsessed with this idea that Mike Vick would want to stay in Philly. Why would Mike Vick willingly take less money to stay in Philly with a new coach, new system, and owner who hates him, Nick Foles as the starter, and half a fan base who wants him gone? I mean does anyone realistically go into their bosses office and say they will take less money? Let's be real here! Mike Vick has no reason to restructure his contract! There is at least three teams he could go to right now and start. NFL money isn't in the contract. It's in the guaranteed money and the signing bonus. In other words by leaving Vick can not only find himself a starting job, but he could also make more guaranteed money! Here's what's going to happen. Mike is going to say all the right things publicly about wanting to stay, but he's going to force the Eagles hand. HE WILL NOT TAKE A PAY CUT TO BE A BACK UP. The Eagles are going to cut Vick or trade him prior to his big bonus kicks in for next season. No restructured deal. Mike Vick is gone.

[ChimpKelly]

He's going to have to settle for less money no matter where he ends up.

[JonnyEagles69]

and I thank god for that he has been here WAY to long as is . He made a great #2 nothing more .

[RPeeteRules]

A reason he may be willing to take a paycut to be a backup in Philadelphia would be if he felt that he wouldn't be able to sign with another team.

[wvjerome]

phillyphan754, on 12 December 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

He's going to have to settle for less money no matter where he ends up.

Again it's not about the contract. It's about the guaranteed money. The contract is just a piece of paper. That signing bonus goes right to his pocket.

RPeeteRules, on 12 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

A reason he may be willing to take a paycut to be a backup in Philadelphia would be if he felt that he wouldn't be able to sign with another team.

There is going to be at least one team/coach willing to try the "Mike Vick Experience." I'm sure that coach will find himself on the chopping block soon after.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

wvjerome, on 12 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

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[wvjerome]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 12 December 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

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[odin8888]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 12 December 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

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[billfrancis]

If and when Vick is cut we get compensatory  draft pick.....   Vick came here to learn QB position, his words not mine, still working on slide, ball security,...one and a half years later. I think the next chapter is solely devoted to NFL defenses....

[aspiritfall]

My question is this...

Why would any Eagles fan WANT Vick here???

Anybody who wants Vick as their QB clearly does not want to win a SB...

[AceofSpades]

billfrancis, on 12 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

If and when Vick is cut we get compensatory  draft pick.....

[joespadaro]

Has there ever been a franchise qb who was content on being the backup?

[wvjerome]

aspiritfall, on 12 December 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

My question is this...

Why would any Eagles fan WANT Vick here???

Anybody who wants Vick as their QB clearly does not want to win a SB...

I doubt the Eagles do want him back. His latest injury along with Nick Foles steadily improving sealed Vick's fate of having no future in Philly. I am just pointing out how silly the idea of Vick coming back for less money truly is. The guy was getting killed behind our offensive line. Of course much of that was self inflicted but still. Only a fool would choose to come back to Philly for less money. Then again we are talking about Vick....

joespadaro, on 12 December 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Has there ever been a franchise qb who was content on being the backup?

First Vick isn't a franchise quarterback, but that is the key isn't it? If all the apologist think so highly of Vick, why in the world do they think he would stoop so low?

[forevereagles]

Mike believes he is  still a starter...and that there are teams out there who will  take a chance on him.
But RPR, makes a good point. If no other team is interested in his services as a starter, than being a back up
is at least guaranteeing him an income every week. A half a loaf is better than none.

As for the OP saying the owner hates him.  I don't get that at all. Lurie has praised Vick for being a model citizen, during his time here.
However I believe with the amount of games he has not been able to play( in the time here) will have a great impact on his decision regarding Mike. You can't depend on a guy who has played just one full season  in a 10 yr span, on his resume, to be your starter and get you to the big game and win it. Nor can you depend on your back up  ( especially if he is a rookie like Foles) to play well enough to get your wins and to the post season.

[AceofSpades]

wvjerome, on 12 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

I doubt the Eagles do want him back. His latest injury along with Nick Foles steadily improving sealed Vick's fate of having no future in Philly. I am just pointing out how silly the idea of Vick coming back for less money truly is. The guy was getting killed behind our offensive line. Of course much of that was self inflicted but still. Only a fool would choose to come back to Philly for less money. Then again we are talking about Vick....

I truly believe they were looking for a reason to pull Vick without actually having to bench him and the injury provided a perfect opportunity. I think Vick will always have a loyalty to the Eagles organization for being the team to take that chance on him when he first got out of prison but I think at this point he wants to play and going forward he's not gonna have that chance here.

[wvjerome]

forevereagles, on 12 December 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Mike believes he is  still a starter...and that there are teams out there who will  take a chance on him.
But RPR, makes a good point. If no other team is interested in his services as a starter, than being a back up
is at least guaranteeing him an income every week. A half a loaf is better than none.

As for the OP saying the owner hates him.  I don't get that at all. Lurie has praised Vick for being a model citizen, during his time here.
However I believe with the amount of games he has not been able to play( in the time here) will have a great impact on his decision regarding Mike. You can't depend on a guy who has played just one full season  in a 10 yr span, on his resume, to be your starter and get you to the big game and win it. Nor can you depend on your back up  ( especially if he is a rookie like Foles) to play well enough to get your wins and to the post season.

Sure Mike has been a "model citizen" since he's been here, but I haven't forgotten the press conference when Vick first came and how Lurie admitted that he wasn't even remotely fond of the idea of bringing in Vick. Mike's true supporter has been Reid and with Reid likely to be out the door I see no way the Eagles want him back let alone offer him a restructured deal.

[downsoufeagleluva]

I dont think he does.  I wouldnt.  Hell its hard to stay a fan of this piece of ish team.

[bobbywizdum]

joespadaro, on 12 December 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Has there ever been a franchise qb who was content on being the backup?

Other than Joe montanna in kansas city i can't think of any. It amazes me that people knocked Mcnabb for not wanting to be a back up lol. That being said vick has been paid twice like a franchise quarterback but failed to live up to both contracts. I don't really view him in the "franchise qb" catagory. Someone said there are 3 teams he could start for right now. I'm just curious as to who they are? Jacksonville? maybe but only as a desparaton to try and get people in that stadium. They would have been better off getting tebow to do that. Kansas City? Why. They are completely in need of rebuilding. What good is a will be 33 year old injury prone qb? Arizona? Who knows. Oakland is capable of anything but they are still rolling with the 2 first round picks they gave up for carson palmer.  At the end of the day, vick may get picked up. It will be a situation for ticket sales and revenue. Not for winning potential.

[wvjerome]

AceofSpades, on 12 December 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

I truly believe they were looking for a reason to pull Vick without actually having to bench him and the injury provided a perfect opportunity. I think Vick will always have a loyalty to the Eagles organization for being the team to take that chance on him when he first got out of prison but I think at this point he wants to play and going forward he's not gonna have that chance here.

I agree. Regardless of what people think of Vick. He's a competitor and is going to want to play. He's not going to want to be a back up or compete for a job he feels he rightfully should have.

[Plache]

downsoufeagleluva, on 12 December 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

I dont think he does.  I wouldnt.  Hell its hard to stay a fan of this piece of ish team.

Th guy hasn't helped himself at all.  DYNASTY?  Come on, win something (MORE than 1 please) before you start talking dynasty. Play ALL 16 regular season games -- 1 time in HOW MANY years?  GET RID OF THE BALL!  Yes his O-line is terrible, SO IS Aaron Rodgers line!  Protect yourself and F'ING SLIDE ALREADY! LEARN to recognize a blitz, OTHER QUARTERBACKS DO IT ALL THE TIME.  Learn to read a defense, OTHER QUARTERBACKS DO IT ALL THE TIME.  Can you see where this is going?  No thank you to another year of Andy or Michael.........or Marty, Mudd, Bobby.........you get the hint, I hope.  1 or two down years will be well worth it when this team comes out the other side and may actually do something with them gone.....oh yeah, take Nnamdi with ya Mike......and Coleman.....and ask Nate if he'd like a ride also.

[Ipspots]

Vick may want to stay because he has unfinished business here....

There are many Pitbulls still alive...

[vic92353]

Someone will take a chance on him and will pay him.  He is clearly on the decline but alot of his struggles was not totally on him.  I think things would have been better if he had more protection on the O-line and better play calling.  Not saying he will take a team to the Sb and win it, but he is better than some of the Qbs that's out there.  IMO  

[William Rudy]

joespadaro, on 12 December 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Has there ever been a franchise qb who was content on being the backup?

Since when did Vick become the Eagles franchise QB?

[Ipspots]

William Rudy, on 12 December 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Since when did Vick become the Eagles franchise QB?

many here are still arguing he is a franchise QB.....  I think that notion dies at end of 2010 season, when he was exposed by not being able to read pre snap blitz reads, and make proper adjustments.

AR and MM must have been pulling their hair out as they trie dto tecah him each offseason how to do this.

Foles comes in and is doing this straight from college.....  

[iluvdaeagles]

why would you make another thread about vick

[Ipspots]

because your still here defending him....

HE SUKS.... yes he gave all he had... he still SUKED

[EagleJoe8]

billfrancis, on 12 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

If and when Vick is cut we get compensatory  draft pick.....   Vick came here to learn QB position, his words not mine, still working on slide, ball security,...one and a half years later. I think the next chapter is solely devoted to NFL defenses....

You can't get a compensatory pick for a player you cut.

[ckudrick]

I don't think Vick would want to stay here, knowing that he isn't guaranteed the starting job - he'd be crazy to do that.  I believe he is gone as well.

Also, although I believe that Marcus Vick is an idiot, I definitely think that he parroted something he heard Mike say in his Tweets.

[eephraim]

Ipspots, on 12 December 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

because your still here defending him....

HE SUKS.... yes he gave all he had... he still SUKED

[Baynit]

RPeeteRules, on 12 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

A reason he may be willing to take a paycut to be a backup in Philadelphia would be if he felt that he wouldn't be able to sign with another team.

Arizona, NYJ, Minnesota, KC, and Buffalo all come to mind right off the top of my head.