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[BDAWK_4EVER]

Both are overpaid. Both are not playing up to expectations (although Nnamdi's expectations were unreasonably high to begin with). But Nnamdi is blamed by many for every touchdown ever scored against the team, yet Vick is absolved by many. I've seen many Vick supporters screaming "Cut Nnamdi he's not playing well enough for what he's being paid!". But they want to keep Vick. Who wants to explain this phenomenon?

I will also say I am the opposite. I would like Nnamdi to stay, and Vick to go for 2 reasons. 1) Nnamdi is not playing even half as bad as you people think he is. DRC has played worse overall, especially in run support (although he was pretty physical Sunday); 2) We have a potentially solid quarterback ready to take Vick's place, we do not have any corners that will be equal to or better than Nnamdi (Marsh has not played nearly enough to make any determination).

[bobbywizdum]

very good point. I would like to see more of marsh to be able to make a judgement on that. I thought nmamdi was playing well sunday before he got hurt and probably shouldn't have come back in. I do think nmamdi is slowing down and lacks the recovery speed necessary to continue to play off coverage like he is doing. That being said his tackling is good and I'm not so sure he isn't worth a look at the safety position.

[Baynit]

I supported Vick and still will but its time for him to go.

As for Nnamdi dude im sorry theres no defending this guy.  He cant stay with anyone in man coverage.  He's lost in zone coverage.  And apparently he cant even get the bump or jam at the line of scrimmage.  Take notice to how awful Julio JOnes made him look when Nnamdi tried to jam him.  And the thing that bugs me most about Nnamdi is he never steps up and takes the blame.  Sure Coleman has been garbage but im so fed up with seeing Nnamdi jogging casually behind a reciever expecting that over the top help.  If you need an example watch the Larry Fitgerald td against AZ.  Nnamdi is expecting safety help but instead of sticking with his man until he see's the safety recognizing the situation Nnamdi just joggs 5-7 yards behind Fitz.  And I do mean jogs...

[Sean Jerz]

Marsh looked better than Aso Sunday in relief time. Vick looks really good in a football uniform..

[Baynit]

bobbywizdum, on 12 December 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

very good point. I would like to see more of marsh to be able to make a judgement on that. I thought nmamdi was playing well sunday before he got hurt and probably shouldn't have come back in. I do think nmamdi is slowing down and lacks the recovery speed necessary to continue to play off coverage like he is doing. That being said his tackling is good and I'm not so sure he isn't worth a look at the safety position.

You want a guy who is horrible in zone coverage to play safety?  Man If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that...yea you know the rest.

If anything maybe in some sort of hybrid role like what GB does with Woodson.  Uses him to blitz or cover RB's and TE in man coverage...He clearly doesnt have the speed to stick with the faster recievers anymore, he's lost in zone, and isnt physical enough to get a jam on big strong recievers like Julio Jones.

[downsoufeagleluva]

The same goes for both of them.  Vick needs an offensive scheme that works to his strengths, and Nnamdi needs a safety that doesnt bite on play action more than half the time.   But I agree, they both are overpaid, overrated, and misused by this amazing football braintrust called the Philadelphia Eagles.

The team just sucks.  Why single anyone out at this point?

BDAWK_4EVER, on 12 December 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

Both are overpaid. Both are not playing up to expectations (although Nnamdi's expectations were unreasonably high to begin with). But Nnamdi is blamed by many for every touchdown ever scored against the team, yet Vick is absolved by many. I've seen many Vick supporters screaming "Cut Nnamdi he's not playing well enough for what he's being paid!". But they want to keep Vick. Who wants to explain this phenomenon?

I will also say I am the opposite. I would like Nnamdi to stay, and Vick to go for 2 reasons. 1) Nnamdi is not playing even half as bad as you people think he is. DRC has played worse overall, especially in run support (although he was pretty physical Sunday); 2) We have a potentially solid quarterback ready to take Vick's place, we do not have any corners that will be equal to or better than Nnamdi (Marsh has not played nearly enough to make any determination).

[BDAWK_4EVER]

Baynit, on 12 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I supported Vick and still will but its time for him to go.

As for Nnamdi dude im sorry theres no defending this guy.  He cant stay with anyone in man coverage.  He's lost in zone coverage.  And apparently he cant even get the bump or jam at the line of scrimmage.  Take notice to how awful Julio JOnes made him look when Nnamdi tried to jam him.  And the thing that bugs me most about Nnamdi is he never steps up and takes the blame.  Sure Coleman has been garbage but im so fed up with seeing Nnamdi jogging casually behind a reciever expecting that over the top help.  If you need an example watch the Larry Fitgerald td against AZ.  Nnamdi is expecting safety help but instead of sticking with his man until he see's the safety recognizing the situation Nnamdi just joggs 5-7 yards behind Fitz.  And I do mean jogs...

The problem in a team sport is you have to depend on everyone else to do their job while you do yours. If you expect safety help, you should have safety help. You shouldn't have to do someone else's job for them. At work, if your job is to type up reports for someone to put into some kind of presentation, are you going to do the presentation for them if they don't do it? You have more reports to type, but that guy isn't doing his job. Do you do it for him?

[bobbywizdum]

Baynit, on 12 December 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

You want a guy who is horrible in zone coverage to play safety?  Man If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that...yea you know the rest.

If anything maybe in some sort of hybrid role like what GB does with Woodson.  Uses him to blitz or cover RB's and TE in man coverage...He clearly doesnt have the speed to stick with the faster recievers anymore, he's lost in zone, and isnt physical enough to get a jam on big strong recievers like Julio Jones.

zone coverage and safety are not the same thing. The reason he is not good in zone coverage is the same reason he is currently lacking in man coverage. He lacks the reaction speed to recover and jump routes. A slowing down cornerback is still plenty fast enough to play safety. Whether or not he would be a good safety soley depends on his ability to make the right read on the play and follow his proper assignment progressions. He's a good tackler with obviously good coverage skills. At safety he would actually have above average speed. Could he make the transition? Who knows but it certainly has nothing to do with being able to play zone defense.

[iluvdaeagles]

i support nnamdi

still think he can be a good player for us

[Baynit]

Safeties play alot of zone, Nnamdi cant play zone he's allready shown us that what else is there to say about it?  I'd say it has everything to do with converting him to safety  Playing zone is about making the right read run/pass and having the quickness to react to it.

Nnamdi is a bump and run corner he relies on being able to get a jam at the line of scrimmage and use his athletic ability to run with the guy to cover him.  His reaction skills are poor..

[Ipspots]

Funny but Nnamdi and Vick are somewhat suffering from the same affliction... AGE

Nnamdi clearly not as fast and fluid with turning his hips. He gets beat on breaks, he used to be pretty good. He has lost a step.

Vick, used to be able to out run defenders and get away and improvise..... now he gets caught from behind and fumble the ball.  He has lost a step


But Nnamdi still is better prepared to play the position mentally and can still be an asset.

Vick never bothered to learn the position, all he knew was escape and run/throw. He can no longer play the way he used to, and he isn't mentally prepared to play any other way.

[XxLawxX]

Draft a safety 1st AND 2nd round.
and if you are going to continue to throw at least 40 times a game, run the offense through brent celek, he has been around long enough.

To Point: No Id keep both.

[kb420]

"You don't know? I'm all about the Benjamins baby!"

[iluvdaeagles]

XxLawxX, on 12 December 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Draft a safety 1st AND 2nd round.
and if you are going to continue to throw at least 40 times a game, run the offense through brent celek, he has been around long enough.

To Point: No Id keep both.

there is no safety out there worth a top 10 pick

i think they will go oline in the first

[Dirty 30 Sucks]

because Vick gets slammed every play and plays his heart out and Nnamdi plays like a little girl who doesnt want to get injured.

[wvjerome]

If Nnamdi is playing half bad that means he's half decent which makes him grossly over paid. Nnamdi doesn't make enough big plays. What's funny is when DRC is stepping up to make plays its obvious (and he stinks too) yet I can't think of a game where Nnamdi was lights out. I can think if several games watching him get beat, not running out the play, and pointing the finger at somebody else. Elite corners don't need people to tell me they are elite. They show me on the field.

[italianmafia23]

I think Vick takes a lot of unjustified criticism. He sure as hell stunk last season, and was unfathomably fumble prone this season, no doubt. However, I would be lying if I said I wasn't impressed with progress made in other areas of his game. For the first time in the history of his career, I actually saw Vick making adjustments. Getting rid of it sooner, staying in the pocket, and even calling audibles! And most impressively of all, directing potential game winning drives virtually every game to start the season. Clutch is about the last thing I ever thought I would call Michael Vick. We sure could do far worse.

With all that said, Vick should still be gone next year. Too old, too injury prone, too expensive, and a promising young QB behind him. It's time to cut the loose end. Good luck elsewhere, Vick!

[Ipspots]

so........ bye bye conVICK?????

[Hey Suess]

Ipspots, on 12 December 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

so........ bye bye conVICK?????

I'm not a Vick supporter in any way. If he played the last 2 years for another team these "Vick lovers" wouldn't want him to come here. The same people also would have ripped any team that took him after prison a new A- hole. (Could you imagine what the same supporters would be saying if he wound up on the Cowboys or Giants?)

That being said, he isn't a convict anymore. (Although I guess he'd always be considered a felon). And when you make statements like this it automatically dismisses anything intelligent you may post.

[Ipspots]

Hey Suess, on 12 December 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

I'm not a Vick supporter in any way. If he played the last 2 years for another team these "Vick lovers" wouldn't want him to come here. The same people also would have ripped any team that took him after prison a new A- hole. (Could you imagine what the same supporters would be saying if he wound up on the Cowboys or Giants?)

That being said, he isn't a convict anymore. (Although I guess he'd always be considered a felon). And when you make statements like this it automatically dismisses anything intelligent you may post.

so you fail to recognize Humor.....

If I was trying to make a succinct argument, I would post a far more lengthy rebuttal. If I am going for the joke.... it will be quick.


BUt then again, What Vick did was no laughing matter. Unless you are a fan of another NFC East team, then you laughed everytime your team blitzed him...

(More humor)

[Hey Suess]

Ipspots, on 12 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

so you fail to recognize Humor.....

If I was trying to make a succinct argument, I would post a far more lengthy rebuttal. If I am going for the joke.... it will be quick.


BUt then again, What Vick did was no laughing matter. Unless you are a fan of another NFC East team, then you laughed everytime your team blitzed him...

(More humor)

I've read your posts lately. You're an Eagles fan. I suspect you'd want Foles gone as well if his play was equalled to Vick as of late.
That being said, if I notice all the "Convick" remarks in a few topics, surely it gives fodder to the "haters" that you're trying to debate.

[lonfident]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 12 December 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

If you expect safety help, you should have safety help.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but is this true? Is it always the safety's fault if Nnamdi expects help but doesn't get it? Couldn't it be that Nnamdi doesn't always play the correct scheme?

[scott time]

Nnamdi is playing exactly as bad as we think he is.

[bleedgreen2323]

lonfident, on 12 December 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

I'm not trying to pick on you, but is this true? Is it always the safety's fault if Nnamdi expects help but doesn't get it? Couldn't it be that Nnamdi doesn't always play the correct scheme?

namdi runs the scheme the defensive coordinator draws up, you my friend have no idea what your talking about

[MV7_77]

The reason why these eagles are doing so bad is not because of vick look at this offensive line. We as fans are alwys lookin 4 a quick fix  like blaming the coach the QB never lookin at the problems thats right in your face like the key injuries or maybe jst chemistry as a whole. Every person out there tht thinks Foles is going 2 be the savior of the eagles go jump off a bridge ths kid is light years bhind vick & if we keep running memders of ths team off everytime there is an issue we will never win a superbowl champship......SMDH

[Ipspots]

MV7_77, on 13 December 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

The reason why these eagles are doing so bad is not because of vick look at this offensive line. We as fans are alwys lookin 4 a quick fix  like blaming the coach the QB never lookin at the problems thats right in your face like the key injuries or maybe jst chemistry as a whole. Every person out there tht thinks Foles is going 2 be the savior of the eagles go jump off a bridge ths kid is light years bhind vick & if we keep running memders of ths team off everytime there is an issue we will never win a superbowl champship......SMDH

what did Vick do to help? He was a turn over machine....Foles to this point has not been. Thats an upgrade. Plain and simple.

[HazletonEagle]

Ipspots, on 13 December 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

what did Vick do to help? He was a turn over machine....Foles to this point has not been. Thats an upgrade. Plain and simple.

hey thanks for posting today!

[DawkinsOwnage03]

According to two Vicknuthuggers in TATE, Nnamdi has never been beat this year, it was all the safeties fault.  Guess who the two are I am speaking of . . .

[Sbuckets]

I think Namdi staying hinges on these last few games.The D look alot better when the wide 9 was gone. If they can keeo you that level of play then I think Namdi and DRC will stay but the safties have to go.

[Solomon]

Baynit, on 12 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I supported Vick and still will but its time for him to go.

As for Nnamdi dude im sorry theres no defending this guy.  He cant stay with anyone in man coverage.  He's lost in zone coverage.  And apparently he cant even get the bump or jam at the line of scrimmage.  Take notice to how awful Julio JOnes made him look when Nnamdi tried to jam him.  And the thing that bugs me most about Nnamdi is he never steps up and takes the blame.  Sure Coleman has been garbage but im so fed up with seeing Nnamdi jogging casually behind a reciever expecting that over the top help.  If you need an example watch the Larry Fitgerald td against AZ.  Nnamdi is expecting safety help but instead of sticking with his man until he see's the safety recognizing the situation Nnamdi just joggs 5-7 yards behind Fitz.  And I do mean jogs...

If you're talking about the long TD pass, Nnamdi didn't try to jam him.