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[f_dallas]

HarborTheClay, on 13 December 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

No problem signing free agents? When you set a standard for reducing pay and asked to cut your salary that you agreed to on conract, that's enticing for a free agent?

I think this was a horrible decision by the Eagles front office in every way, but I don't think it will scare off free agents.  They've messed over guys in similar ways before, but when your contract has the biggest guaranteed dollar figure, it usually wins.  Players are worried about a career-ending injury as opposed to whether they will be docked some cash for an illness and miss a few games, IMO.

Again, I'm not defending the move at all.  I just don't believe it will prevent them from signing free agents...they are mercenaries who invariably end up going to the highest bidder.

I think it hurts them more with their own guys.  Let's say, for example, Fletcher Cox has watched Patterson go through brain surgery and fight to get back on the field.  He's heard Cole and some of the older guys talk about what a great guy he is.  They know he's the longest tenured player on the roster...he's been in Philly longer than anyone else, he's never played anywhere else, and he's never complained about anything.  Patterson catches a cold and being the guy he is, works hard every day even though he feels like crap.  In the process of playing through it, he made it worse and the end result was pneumonia.  The Eagles respond by docking his pay.

Now, what's Fletcher Cox (or anyone...just pulled his name out of a hat) thinking?  When he doesn't feel 100%, is he going to take his foot off the pedal a little bit?  If he's dinged up and doesn't feel great, but he thinks he can help the team on the field with what he has left, maybe he decides it's better to play it safe rather than risk it.  Maybe in a blowout game or down season, he thinks it's best to mail it in and stay healthy.

You have to expect 100% out of your players, but the players have to feel like the team will take care of them.  If their body simply breaks down, gets old, they don't put forth effort, or whatever...fine.  Tough choices have to be made.  What is the message the Eagles are sending to the locker room with this move?  Do you think they feel like they are taken care of?  That the organization has their backs or cares about them?  Should they push through the pain or protect themselves?  It might not impact them at all, but I can't say for sure.  I'd much rather build some goodwill and take care of a team guy rather than go out of my way to assess a petty and insignificant (to the team) penalty for an illness before handing it over to the lawyers.

[HarborTheClay]

f_dallas, on 13 December 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

I think this was a horrible decision by the Eagles front office in every way, but I don't think it will scare off free agents.  They've messed over guys in similar ways before, but when your contract has the biggest guaranteed dollar figure, it usually wins.  Players are worried about a career-ending injury as opposed to whether they will be docked some cash for an illness and miss a few games, IMO.

Again, I'm not defending the move at all.  I just don't believe it will prevent them from signing free agents...they are mercenaries who invariably end up going to the highest bidder.

I think it hurts them more with their own guys.  Let's say, for example, Fletcher Cox has watched Patterson go through brain surgery and fight to get back on the field.  He's heard Cole and some of the older guys talk about what a great guy he is.  They know he's the longest tenured player on the roster...he's been in Philly longer than anyone else, he's never played anywhere else, and he's never complained about anything.  Patterson catches a cold and being the guy he is, works hard every day even though he feels like crap.  In the process of playing through it, he made it worse and the end result was pneumonia.  The Eagles respond by docking his pay.

Now, what's Fletcher Cox (or anyone...just pulled his name out of a hat) thinking?  When he doesn't feel 100%, is he going to take his foot off the pedal a little bit?  If he's dinged up and doesn't feel great, but he thinks he can help the team on the field with what he has left, maybe he decides it's better to play it safe rather than risk it.  Maybe in a blowout game or down season, he thinks it's best to mail it in and stay healthy.

You have to expect 100% out of your players, but the players have to feel like the team will take care of them.  If their body simply breaks down, gets old, they don't put forth effort, or whatever...fine.  Tough choices have to be made.  What is the message the Eagles are sending to the locker room with this move?  Do you think they feel like they are taken care of?  That the organization has their backs or cares about them?  Should they push through the pain or protect themselves?  It might not impact them at all, but I can't say for sure.  I'd much rather build some goodwill and take care of a team guy rather than go out of my way to assess a petty and insignificant (to the team) penalty for an illness before handing it over to the lawyers.

Good points, can't disagree.

[OldEagle1960]

Congrats Eagles for righting a wrong.

http://wp.me/p14QSB-6Eqp

[f_dallas]

Yup.  I'm glad they came around and did the right thing.

[KOJO]

f_dallas, on 13 December 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yup.  I'm glad they came around and did the right thing.

Me too. Too bad it took 24 hours of bad publicity to make them do something that never should have been an issue to begin with.

[russrock1]

Yeah....they did the right thing but the damage is done.

This f'ing front office is a symphony of a**

[f_dallas]

KOJO, on 13 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Me too. Too bad it took 24 hours of bad publicity to make them do something that never should have been an issue to begin with.

What else would you expect from these clowns?  They are disorganized, inexperienced, and rarely do the right thing.

[Iggles]

f_dallas, on 13 December 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yup.  I'm glad they came around and did the right thing.

That means Lurie stepped in.  To see Roseman, and Lurie in the owners box these past few games does not warm my heart for the future.   We have come full circle to 1994.  Lurie and Banner ran the team until 1999.  They hired Tom Modrak as an "independent" GM, did not like that Modrak thought Reid was an idiot, and fired him a year later.  Ever since, it's been Reid's team with some Roseman hiccups in 2010/2011.  2012 was a classic Reid draft.  So why is Robert Kraft so pro-active and Lurie is so....distant?   Lurie just wants to build wind farms to power south Philly.

[PoconoDon]

It is what it is and only Jeffrey can change that..............shame he probably won't.

[SBorBust]

HarborTheClay, on 12 December 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

With Reid gone, we're not going to attract the higher quality FA's. This front office is a joke.

How funny is this statement?

Do you know what attracts free agents? Money

[DaveSpadaro]

It was certainly an unfortunate initial decision and I'm glad the issue has been resolved and there  is no ill will. Howie and Patterson and the agent have talked and the resolution is satisfactory to all parties.

[lynched1]

pgcd3, on 12 December 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

It's pathetic. To claim that the pnemonia of a football player isn't caused or enhanced by hard work at practice & games is ridiculous.

Turns out it is neither caused or ehanced by the hard work of practice or games. Doctors, go figure.
What causes pneumonia?

Bacteria and viruses are the primary causes of pneumonia. When a person breathes pneumonia-causing germs into his lungs and his body's immune system cannot otherwise prevent entry, the organisms settle in small air sacs called alveoli and continue multiplying. As the body sends white blood cells to attack the infection, the sacs become filed with fluid and pus - causing pneumonia.
http://www.medicalne...cles/151632.php

[lynched1]

Iggles, on 14 December 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

So why is Robert Kraft so pro-active and Lurie is so....distant?  

Why stop there, maybe we can see if Jerry Jones has the ego to be control freak for two teams.

[Iggles]

lynched1, on 14 December 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

Why stop there, maybe we can see if Jerry Jones has the ego to be control freak for two teams.

My point is that Kraft has been active while allowing Bill Belichick to coach.   The New England Patriots have a true GM, and his name is NOT Bill Belichick.   Andy Reid has been given the keys to the kingdom for far too long.   I know the 2010 draft was a Joe Banner revenge with Howie Roseman.   Turns out Howie's defense only draft was a complete bust!!!  Yet Jeff Lurie extended his contract.  How healthy for an NFL franchise for the NFL owner to mingle with the new GM in the owner's box.

Lurie needs to blow it all up, but he won't.  He's going to fire Andy Reid with a gun pointed at his temple.   This Jewish/Mormon alliance may save Israel, on a broader scale.   Jeff Lurie maybe the first Jewish American that cares about a Mormon.

[f_dallas]

lynched1, on 14 December 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

Turns out it is neither caused or ehanced by the hard work of practice or games. Doctors, go figure.
What causes pneumonia?

Bacteria and viruses are the primary causes of pneumonia. When a person breathes pneumonia-causing germs into his lungs and his body's immune system cannot otherwise prevent entry, the organisms settle in small air sacs called alveoli and continue multiplying. As the body sends white blood cells to attack the infection, the sacs become filed with fluid and pus - causing pneumonia.
http://www.medicalne...cles/151632.php

The Eagles already admitted their mistake...it's okay to stop defending them.

[HarborTheClay]

DaveSpadaro, on 14 December 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

It was certainly an unfortunate initial decision and I'm glad the issue has been resolved and there  is no ill will. Howie and Patterson and the agent have talked and the resolution is satisfactory to all parties.

No ill will. Yeah, right...

[OdeToNo1]

I was at the game last Thursday, at one point they had one of those marketing / PR shots of the team giving a gigantic check to someone on the big screen.  The check was for $150,000...some guy behind me yelled out "guess we know why they needed Patterson's money".  I lol'd.

[KOJO]

OdeToNo1, on 16 December 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

I was at the game last Thursday, at one point they had one of those marketing / PR shots of the team giving a gigantic check to someone on the big screen.  The check was for $150,000...some guy behind me yelled out "guess we know why they needed Patterson's money".  I lol'd.

[MIKESCR]

Howie must be doing something good that Lurie likes to keep his job .....right?