24 replies to this topic

[The_Talon]

they are better than their record? These guys are freakin' disillusioned. It's both funny and stupid at the same time.

[FanSinceWayBack]

I guess thats the impact of all the 'Dream Team' and 'Dynasty' talk.

[EagleJoe8]

Someone actually claimed that again?

[purephillyfan]

I wish Namdi would stop saying it.

[Hey Suess]

Maybe it's generational.
Could it be that the participation awards and "no score" little league games are taking their toll on players of today?

[vic92353]

Actually I agree with them.  They have talent but seems to just not give a damn.  

[terilyns]

vic92353, on 14 December 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Actually I agree with them.  They have talent but seems to just not give a damn.  

No really, they are not a good team at all.

The_Talon, on 14 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

they are better than their record? These guys are freakin' disillusioned. It's both funny and stupid at the same time.

They actually believe this.

[birdman#12]

The_Talon, on 14 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

they are better than their record? These guys are freakin' disillusioned. It's both funny and stupid at the same time.

Because the players know the talent this team has......but the coaching staff can't utilize it properly.  They need to STFU about it, but players know......

[nottsfootballfan]

I think last year you could have argued it, with all the blown 4^th quarter games.

This year we plain stink.

[birdman#12]

terilyns, on 14 December 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

No really, they are not a good team at all.

I disagree......this team has a lot of talent.......but the coaching coaching changes, system changes, injuries, idiotic playcalling, lack of accountability and lack of discipline can make any group of talented players seem bad.  This team has a coaching issue, not a talent issue.

[Gregg]

I agree this does not make great press, but do you prefer the players to say they are actually worse than their record?

[LegendBird21]

I think Reid just "misplaces" the game film every week to protect what little confidence his players have left..

[Solomon]

FanSinceWayBack, on 14 December 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

I guess thats the impact of all the 'Dream Team' and 'Dynasty' talk.

That's exactly what it is.

[inhumanehuman]

This is a case of the players buying into their own hype. They just showed up this year thinking they were the freakin' Eagles, no way are the Cardinals/Bengals/etc gonna beat us.

They lost focus, they played undisciplined football, and at the end of the day they all wonder how such a "talented team" could fall to 4-10.

[AceofSpades]

I get that they don't wanna accept that they're a bad team because of the talent on this team, but it's like Bill Parcells said years ago, you are what your record says you are. It's a way of saying you think you've played better than that or that the record doesn't tell the whole story but the fact remains they didn't do enough to have a better record than 4-10.

[EaglesRocker97]

The_Talon, on 14 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

they are better than their record? These guys are freakin' disillusioned. It's both funny and stupid at the same time.

If they were disillusioned, then they'd see through the illusion that they're good and realize they actually suck.

[vic92353]

terilyns, on 14 December 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

No really, they are not a good team at all.

They actually believe this.

I have witnessed players like these go to other teams and do very well.  it seems like they don't give a damn about giving thier all for the Eagles.  There must be some things going on that the fans don't know about.  

[xxeaglesfanxx]

Talent wise they are better but performance wise they are not even close.

[FanSinceWayBack]

If AR always says " We gotta do a better job" "Its my responsibility to make sure my guys are ready" but nothing ever comes of it, doesnt that mean its all talk? Kind of like this team is?

[cmart102]

who said it this time?

[ckudrick]

I agree that there is a coaching issue, and I am not saying that there is no talent on this team, but I also don't think that there is nearly as much talent as some people seem to think.

[NorCalEagle]

it's not all on the coaching...

vick thinks he's better than he is...jackson does as well...drc...

[TheBurningRed]

vic92353, on 14 December 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Actually I agree with them.  They have talent but seems to just not give a damn.  

This. I feel that they ARE better than their record. Is it that they don't give a damn? Maybe. They make a lot of mental and fundamental mistakes. Not making tackles. Blowing coverages (less in the last 2 games). Letting the QB evade pressure and make big plays without fear of punishment. That can all be fixed, and we all do hope it is next season.

There's talent on this team, I just think they're lost right now. Lost and inconsistent. They have a lot to work on come the offseason. I also partially agree with NorCalEagle. Vick WAS better than he's performed. I say was because he just hit a wall. A wall in the form if getting hit nearly every time he dropped back to pass. Has he ever been an elite QB? Not in my eyes. Was he, at one point, better than he is right now? Yes.

Flame away. I know it's gonna happen given the sheer number of pessimistic fans on here.

[phonz3]

The team who could be on the field "on paper" is better than a 4-10 team.  But, that team is mostly on the sidelines.

If this team was totally healthy all season, (Peters, Kelce, Herremans, Vick, McCoy, Jackson, Celek) they would at least be in contention right now - this stretch of schedule has been very easy and we are only 1-5 (all against teams who would not qualify for the playoffs heading into this week - Dallas twice, Wash, TB, Cin, and Carolina).  That is when players started dropping like flys (Herremans vs NO, Vick vs. Dal, McCoy vs Skins, DJax vs Carolina).

Granted a lot of people are playing below their talent level and the fumbling thing is just ridiculous at this point - we gotta get that fixed right now - the whole team!

That being said, the players need to stop saying it to the media.

[kb420]

The_Talon, on 14 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

they are better than their record? These guys are freakin' disillusioned. It's both funny and stupid at the same time.

It has to come from the head coach.  Do you think that Herman Edwards would let them say something that stupid? Do you think that he would allow them to think like that?  I really believe that it's Andy's approach to coaching.  He's telling them that they are  "better than this" in the hopes that it will motivate them and they will play better,  but instead it's causing them to be complacent. It isn't working.  These players need to be told that they suck,  and if they don't like being told that they suck,  then prove it on the field on gameday. Challenge their manhood and call them out.  

Simply telling them that they "have to do a better job" just isn't cutting it anymore.