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[mihailo]

But make it constructive.

How shall we resolve the QB situation we are currently treading in? Rather than just slandering the other QB we have on the roster, how about backing it up with what you believe is our current or future HC's option?

Personally I believe the Eagles have lot bigger problems than just the QB situation and its going to take a lot of changes and building from the basics up to get us back into a competitive form. Therefore I think Vick is not our option for the future and its time to give Foles the reins to develop and prove himself, whilst looking for better options. I don't follow college football, but from what I have read this draft does not hold the talent worth gambling for.

I challenge you, let's hear it!

[ChimpKelly]

This is gonna end the same way all the other "Foles vs Vick" threads end.

[mihailo]

Maybe, but one can only hope someone will contribute a worthwhile opinion. The rest shall be taken with a pinch of salt.

[cmurl5]

Realistically, the only option for QB next season is Foles. Vick won't be back due to salary/durability concerns.

Maybe a trade for Alex Smith or Matt Flynn ? Seems unlikey to me.

[time2rock]

What's this 'we' stuff (how are we gonna resolve this situation, etc.) ?!?!

How can anyone know anything about the future of the QB position (or any other) until the new HC is hired ??

[inhumanehuman]

Vick is about 1 concussion away from collecting several million dollars on his couch. Foles is a few bad starts away from Eagles fans booing him into holding a clipboard for the Cardinals.

Andy Reid is one of the most hated man in Philadelphia, with the best winning percentage. Anyone else as a head coach (as history shows) won't work out.

You tell me...

[GT500]

Whoever the head coach is gonna be, he's got a huge mountain to climb in terms of rebuilding this team, and dont say the talent is here, it aint, I expect mediocrity for at least 2 years, they need to clean house and start from scratch

[FanSinceWayBack]

Id say Foles is definitely the front runner at this point. Vicks not gonna come back whether he restructures or not, especially if Reid is gone. Im sure we will have about 4-5 QB's going into Camp and it'll be 'let the best man win'.

[mihailo]

Time2rock - I didn't mean in the literal sense 'we' shall resolve it. Obviously. Just as fans of the team we are entitled as anyone else to voice an opinion. At the end of the day, it's in the teams interest to satisfy the fans and as fans 'we' fans have expectations of what we want. We want a Super Bowl and we shall voice our opinions of how we shall get it whether or not the team listens. It's why I'm here anyway.

[mihailo]

Well, it looks like we are going to try to find a diamond in the rough (maybe that's Foles), whilst our team learns the basics of working as a team and doing their part.

I think the eagles need to start enjoying to play the game again, because low spirits keeps us down. I know that's rather hard when there is little to get  excited about, but something is going to have to change that spirit.

[700level4life]

If we get a headcoach that will run the ball, Im ok with Foles for the time being. Honestly though, any coach we bring in next year isnt going to stick. The Eagles are 2 years in of a long hauled era of losing. Im feeling Bengals of the 90s, Lions of the 00s kind of era.

[Uncle Russ]

inhumanehuman, on 14 December 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Vick is about 1 concussion away from collecting several million dollars on his couch. Foles is a few bad starts away from Eagles fans booing him into holding a clipboard for the Cardinals.

Andy Reid is one of the most hated man in Philadelphia, with the best winning percentage. Anyone else as a head coach (as history shows) won't work out.

You tell me...

Eagles fans suck..... They make the unrealistic expectations. The guy has made 5 career starts. Gimme a break.

[forevereagles]

I don't think we are as  far off as many seem to think regarding the future.We have a good young  nucleous  in place. The foundation to which to build upon and around.

With better coaching ( i'm not just talking about on game day) but during the off season and during the weekly practces as well  the cream should rise to the top of those who have the talent to do so..

We should be able to fill in the holes and get this thing turned around a lot quicker than many seem to think we will.

It all depend on what mr Lurie decides to do . That is something we may only be weeks from learning or months.

Given the current state of the roster..using primarily  2- 4th stringers its not hard to understand the many turn overs. These kids  are being thrown into the fire  unseasoned. Granted every NFL player has indured the same fate at one time in their NFL career.

But the mistakes and turnovers was also happening with the starters. So that suggests to  me  that its a combination of talent  and coaching .

As far as the QB's go . Solely because of the age difference, and the up side to Foles.  I think we need to stick with him. Nothing against Mike . But age and a history of injury is  against him. He is not someone you can trust to get you through an entire season. If your goal is to win a championship.  Yu must be able to have a  belief that your QB can last the season and beyond.

Nick on the other hand is young,. Has shown a tremendous amount of potential. Even being thrown to the wolves. He has held his own ,as well as anyone in their right mind could expect. Given his supporting cast of misfits.

Until we know what Mr Luries intentions are after this season about the HC...we really are  only speculating and voicing our opinions. I'm just hoping that whomever he choses ( be it Reid ) or someone else.That the  coach will evaluate  all 3 QB's by their work . Taking into consideration the pros and cons of each upon making his decsion.

[phonz3]

Best case scenario at this point is draft the BPA (probably OT or DL) in first round and hope one of the top 2 QBs falls to us at top of 2nd or trade up to get him at the end of the 1st.  Have him compete with Foles for the starting job next year as we will be in rebuilding mode and take it from there.

[inhumanehuman]

Uncle Russ, on 14 December 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Eagles fans suck..... They make the unrealistic expectations. The guy has made 5 career starts. Gimme a break.

You completely misunderstood my point. Obviously you missed the hyperbole throughout the post.

Also, Kevin Kolb lit it up coming in as a reserve. Had a couple mediocre starts, got injured, and lookie what happened. I was being sarcastic, but if you wanna get realistic about it, Foles really is a few bad games away from franchise panic, and plan B. That's just the way it is here. I hate Negadelphians and try to keep a positive attitude about things, but you can't always go through life wearing midnight green tinted glasses.

[bleedgreen2323]

were a talented team that shoots themselves in the foot everygame, look at how many turnovers we have the last two years its pretty much impossible to win games

[matchew88]

He doesn't chew enough when eating peanut butter out of Bobeph's arse

[mihailo]

forevereagles, on 14 December 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

I don't think we are as  far off as many seem to think regarding the future.We have a good young  nucleous  in place. The foundation to which to build upon and around.

With better coaching ( i'm not just talking about on game day) but during the off season and during the weekly practces as well  the cream should rise to the top of those who have the talent to do so..

We should be able to fill in the holes and get this thing turned around a lot quicker than many seem to think we will.

It all depend on what mr Lurie decides to do . That is something we may only be weeks from learning or months.

Given the current state of the roster..using primarily  2- 4th stringers its not hard to understand the many turn overs. These kids  are being thrown into the fire  unseasoned. Granted every NFL player has indured the same fate at one time in their NFL career.

But the mistakes and turnovers was also happening with the starters. So that suggests to  me  that its a combination of talent  and coaching .

As far as the QB's go . Solely because of the age difference, and the up side to Foles.  I think we need to stick with him. Nothing against Mike . But age and a history of injury is  against him. He is not someone you can trust to get you through an entire season. If your goal is to win a championship.  Yu must be able to have a  belief that your QB can last the season and beyond.

Nick on the other hand is young,. Has shown a tremendous amount of potential. Even being thrown to the wolves. He has held his own ,as well as anyone in their right mind could expect. Given his supporting cast of misfits.

Until we know what Mr Luries intentions are after this season about the HC...we really are  only speculating and voicing our opinions. I'm just hoping that whomever he choses ( be it Reid ) or someone else.That the  coach will evaluate  all 3 QB's by their work . Taking into consideration the pros and cons of each upon making his decsion.

I'm with you on this. I am hoping this offseason with the change of head coach to refresh the approach to games, a stronger o-line from the draft and a true safety, things can turn around. Which I don't mean it will all change over night, but I hope it shall set the foundation for the future.

I think there are much more pressing issues with the team than Foles, and a revamped o-line will give whoever the QB is a chance to make a play. I don't think we need to bring Alex Smith in, as in my opinion he is only playing well due to a great coach playing the team to his abilities, and I believe a great coach would be able to do that with Foles.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

cmurl5, on 14 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Realistically, the only option for QB next season is Foles. Vick won't be back due to salary/durability concerns.

Maybe a trade for Alex Smith or Matt Flynn ? Seems unlikey to me.

Alex Smith isn't an upgrade.  At worst, Foles is just a game manager the same as Smith.  Matt Flynn - who knows?

I'd take Kevin Kolb back over either of those two.

If we can somehow convert to a more run-based O or more balanced, then the "center" becomes Shady and not the QB - Much like San Francisco.  Foles may be fine in this situation, but that is the same as Alex Smith.

[nottsfootballfan]

Vick has gone. Old, injury prone, sslow, big salary. He's proven over his career he is mediocre.

Due to the draft class and Fa the only option for next year is foles.
The whole team needs a rebuild anyway.

[mihailo]

After reading everything in this thread, I am glad i am not the only one on this forum thinking the way that I am regarding the teams options. Lets hope the front office makes the right decisions and best options to snapping this team into shape. It's in all of our interest, including theirs.

[GroundAttack]

Gotta go with Foles with Edwards being the backup next year... Vick will be out and I also find it unlikely we bring in an Alex Smith or Matt Flynn to compete.

[ronlandis]

You guys are funny.  They have almost nothing to do on offense except find a QB and it looks like, with proper management, Foles can hold things together while they're looking.  Vick was, hands down, the worst thing about the O and he's gone now.  The 2nd worst thing was the OL, but it was all from injuries.  If everybody gets back healthy they have a pretty good OL.  They could still improve, but not anything I would consider a high priority.

The D desperately needs a cooridinator.  They still have more than enough talent to be successful.  They need 2 decent safeties and a SLB.  That hardly qualifies as a D that needs "re-building".

What the team needs the most is an HC who can bring back some discipline, develop some lockerroom leadership and build a team identity.

[mihailo]

ronlandis, on 15 December 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

You guys are funny.  They have almost nothing to do on offense except find a QB and it looks like, with proper management, Foles can hold things together while they're looking.  Vick was, hands down, the worst thing about the O and he's gone now.  The 2nd worst thing was the OL, but it was all from injuries.  If everybody gets back healthy they have a pretty good OL.  They could still improve, but not anything I would consider a high priority.

The D desperately needs a cooridinator.  They still have more than enough talent to be successful.  They need 2 decent safeties and a SLB.  That hardly qualifies as a D that needs "re-building".

What the team needs the most is an HC who can bring back some discipline, develop some lockerroom leadership and build a team identity.

Well, I'm glad we could at least brighten your evening up with some laughter. I agree with the quoted text also ;-)