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[tingblings]

bobbywizdum, on 17 December 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

i love how people are writing foles off already. He's suddenly not likely a "franchise qb" because he's not winning games with only 2 active offensive starters in the lineup (maclin and havili) lol Does anyone remember eli manning as a rookie? Foles is way ahead of how eli looked. How about Brees,Peyton,and Aikman? Shouldn't foles be at least given one full offseaon and a full season with a starting lineup to determine what he could be or not be?

You're missing the point these people who think Vick is inhuman don't see logic.  According to them Foles should have stepped in and went on an 8-1 run to end the season then concluded it with a Lombardi trophy and an MVP.  It really is starting to amuse the heck out of me lol.  Brees was ran out of San Diego because he was said to be a complete bust.  Big Mistake!!!  Andrew Luck looked atrocious on Sunday and was missing wide open receivers all game long.  Do you see a million Colts fans saying get rid of him he's a bust?  Remember he also has Peyton frieken Manning's shoes to fill.  Crap I'm going back to using logic.  Damn me and my common sense thinking a rookie QB should be given any time to mature.

Sorry guys you are right Foles is clearly not the answer.  He has no talent at all just send him packing.  While we're at it the Phillies clearly should have traded Schmidtty when he hit 170 his rookie season.  The kid clearly just didn't have what it took.  After 2009 the Phillies should have also gotten rid of Cole, again because he just didn't have what it took to make it in the MLB.  Lets please just go by your logic and not allow anybody time to develop.  Anything more than like 2 games is just too long.

[bobbywizdum]

tingblings, on 20 December 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

You're missing the point these people who think Vick is inhuman don't see logic.  According to them Foles should have stepped in and went on an 8-1 run to end the season then concluded it with a Lombardi trophy and an MVP.  It really is starting to amuse the heck out of me lol.  Brees was ran out of San Diego because he was said to be a complete bust.  Big Mistake!!!  Andrew Luck looked atrocious on Sunday and was missing wide open receivers all game long.  Do you see a million Colts fans saying get rid of him he's a bust?  Remember he also has Peyton frieken Manning's shoes to fill.  Crap I'm going back to using logic.  Damn me and my common sense thinking a rookie QB should be given any time to mature.

Sorry guys you are right Foles is clearly not the answer.  He has no talent at all just send him packing.  While we're at it the Phillies clearly should have traded Schmidtty when he hit 170 his rookie season.  The kid clearly just didn't have what it took.  After 2009 the Phillies should have also gotten rid of Cole, again because he just didn't have what it took to make it in the MLB.  Lets please just go by your logic and not allow anybody time to develop.  Anything more than like 2 games is just too long.

its funny you mentioned that because were actually calling into wip in the summer of 2010 wanting to get rid of cole when he was having shoulder problems and a bit of a down year. It was literally six months after being named the world series mvp lol Its such fair logic to say foles should have gone 8-1 considering vick wasn't winning with the starters and each game foles continues to lose more and more pieces lol I actually believe we will beat the redskins for some strange reason. We are due to finally win a home game and i believe they will come in cocky and looking past us.

[joespadaro]

flyerdog, on 19 December 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

ask all these "white dudes" you reference if they would take RG3, Cam Newton, or even Russell Wilson over Vick/Foles, and I bet they would all say "YES"...I'm sorry but the race card in relation to Vick is simply unfounded...I know it's the easy way, and perhaps it may be valid in some cases, but to imply that "most of the White dudes" dislike Vick the QB simply because of his color is just as biggoted an insinuation.

Some people 'hate' him because of his past actions, and regardless of what you or (some the black populace) choses to believe, that matter transcends race..it's not an attack on a demographic, it's an attack on a specific individual who engaged in anti-social (potentially pre-murderous) behavior, the connection between animal cruelty and potential escalation to human cruelty has been documented.

See it for what it is, the dislike of a particular player/individual, not an entire group of people.

This response is way to intelligent for the original poster to understand.

[Rob1968]

97is, on 15 December 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

Foles is obviously not the answer going forward. Vick has proven he can lead a team to the playoffs and win playoff games. Get the right coach in here with vick and we are instant contenders. With foles we waste a year or two before we realize he is garbage.

you are either fishing or the dumbert person on this board.  Vick has won 2 playoff games in his career and none since 2004!  He has gotten progressivly worse since he signed his deal and hoodwinked the eagles managment - not that it takes much to fool those dimwits.  vick already has set this team back years.  bringing him back would only push us deeper into the dark ages

[Rob1968]

EagleVA, on 15 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Gotcha, Nick Foles is better than Andrew Luck.

You need to be honest about Nick Foles, and all I can say concerning that is don't use the phrase "franchise QB" and Nick Foles in the same sentence, while he may be servicable, he's not a franchise QB.

Andrew Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are franchise QB's, the thing that they have that Foles's is missing is a legitimate NFL arm and mobility.

I suspect one of those 4 QB's are going to win the SB this year, my money is on Russell Wilson.  If the Eagles want to join the club of these type's of QB's they need to sign Dennis Dixon off of the Raven's practice squad.

you think The seahawks are going to win the SuperBowl?  You may be dumber than the OP here.  LOL,

[macgregor]

There's no need for hand-wringing over Vick. Does anyone expect them to keep his contract? No. Of course not. He'll either settle for a re-structure as backup or he'll walk. I don't see the Eagles paying him even 5 mil. Would someone else? Probably.

Edwards showed he can play against scrubs and I'll take that as upside until I see him fail. There's room for another chance in the draft, but there are no standouts. I just don't think a high pick should be wasted. Recognize the gamble and don't gamble too much. We don't have to this draft.

Fix the o-line and safeties first. Then a possession receiver. We'll have a good draft position and usually most teams will not be looking to draft these positions early. There are no early 1st round WRs. We'll workout all the FAs we can.

Vick took us 8-5 in 2010, 7-6 in 2011, and now this year is 3-6. That's all he's done here. How on Earth could losing him set us back at all? Neither Foles nor any QB we could acquire would come with a guarantee. The only thing Vick guarantees is an incomplete season and a mediocre record.

[tingblings]

macgregor, on 20 December 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

There's need for hand-wringing over Vick. Does anyone expect them to keep his contract? No. Of course not. He'll either settle for a re-structure as backup or he'll walk. I don't see the Eagles paying him even 5 mil. Would someone else? Probably.

Edwards showed he can play against scrubs and I'll take that as upside until I see him fail. There's room for another chance in the draft, but there are no standouts. I just don't think a high pick should be wasted. Recognize the gamble and don't gamble too much. We don't have to this draft.

Fix the o-line and safeties first. Then a possession receiver. We'll have a good draft position and usually most teams will not be looking to draft these positions early. There are no early 1st round WRs. We'll workout all the FAs we can.

Vick took us 8-5 in 2010, 7-6 in 2011, and now this year is 3-6. That's all he's done here. How on Earth could losing him set us back at all? Neither Foles nor any QB we could acquire would come with a guarantee. The only thing Vick guarantees is an incomplete season and a mediocre record.

Again these people don't see logic.  Ask them what Vick has accomplished and all they start doing is throwing a million excuses about how he's not getting it done.  Or they counter it by saying Foles clearly will never be a good QB in this league. They can't give you a straight answer of why they actually defend Vick.  

Also that crystal ball you guys have that you use to so confidently tell the world that Nick Foles still sux, can I please have it.  I'd probably get much better use out of it and play the stock market.  Nobody knows what Nick Foles is so please stop telling me how unproven he is because that is the only real fact you can hold onto about the kid right now.  This team is atrocious and you can't really expect him to win a bunch of games with them.  I mean hell your golden boy Vick couldn't even when he had most of his starters with him.  He's looked good at times and he's looked bad at other times, just like every other rookie QB this game has ever seen.  

My issue isn't even with Foles its in that you ask the Vick lovers to say just one thing the guy accomplished in three seasons with this team and they have no response. Please just give me one thing Vick is doing great, and that he is accomplishing that isn't oh well if it wasn't for Andy, or if it wasn't for that line.  The Packers line is maybe the worse I've ever seen and Rogers is still making it work.  Again just one thing, that isn't an excuse.

[macgregor]

tingblings, on 21 December 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

Again these people don't see logic.  Ask them what Vick has accomplished and all they start doing is throwing a million excuses about how he's not getting it done.  Or they counter it by saying Foles clearly will never be a good QB in this league. They can't give you a straight answer of why they actually defend Vick.  

Also that crystal ball you guys have that you use to so confidently tell the world that Nick Foles still sux, can I please have it.  I'd probably get much better use out of it and play the stock market.  Nobody knows what Nick Foles is so please stop telling me how unproven he is because that is the only real fact you can hold onto about the kid right now.  This team is atrocious and you can't really expect him to win a bunch of games with them.  I mean hell your golden boy Vick couldn't even when he had most of his starters with him.  He's looked good at times and he's looked bad at other times, just like every other rookie QB this game has ever seen.  

My issue isn't even with Foles its in that you ask the Vick lovers to say just one thing the guy accomplished in three seasons with this team and they have no response. Please just give me one thing Vick is doing great, and that he is accomplishing that isn't oh well if it wasn't for Andy, or if it wasn't for that line.  The Packers line is maybe the worse I've ever seen and Rogers is still making it work.  Again just one thing, that isn't an excuse.

Forgive me. I started that post off completely wrong. It should read 'there's NO need for hand-wringing with Vick'.

[downsoufeagleluva]

Its hard to accomplish when you're getting battered every time the ball is hiked, and the only thing your coach/OC does to counter this is tell you to slide lol.

There isnt one Vick hugger that wants Foles to fail.  But dont expect us to pour syrup on dung and call it pancakes either.  Foles is dung until he isnt.

tingblings, on 21 December 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

Again these people don't see logic.  Ask them what Vick has accomplished and all they start doing is throwing a million excuses about how he's not getting it done.  Or they counter it by saying Foles clearly will never be a good QB in this league. They can't give you a straight answer of why they actually defend Vick.  

Also that crystal ball you guys have that you use to so confidently tell the world that Nick Foles still sux, can I please have it.  I'd probably get much better use out of it and play the stock market.  Nobody knows what Nick Foles is so please stop telling me how unproven he is because that is the only real fact you can hold onto about the kid right now.  This team is atrocious and you can't really expect him to win a bunch of games with them.  I mean hell your golden boy Vick couldn't even when he had most of his starters with him.  He's looked good at times and he's looked bad at other times, just like every other rookie QB this game has ever seen.  

My issue isn't even with Foles its in that you ask the Vick lovers to say just one thing the guy accomplished in three seasons with this team and they have no response. Please just give me one thing Vick is doing great, and that he is accomplishing that isn't oh well if it wasn't for Andy, or if it wasn't for that line.  The Packers line is maybe the worse I've ever seen and Rogers is still making it work.  Again just one thing, that isn't an excuse.

[Rob1968]

downsoufeagleluva, on 21 December 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Its hard to accomplish when you're getting battered every time the ball is hiked, and the only thing your coach/OC does to counter this is tell you to slide lol.

There isnt one Vick hugger that wants Foles to fail.  But dont expect us to pour syrup on dung and call it pancakes either.  Foles is dung until he isnt.

then i guess vick has been dung for 11 years?

[tingblings]

downsoufeagleluva, on 21 December 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Its hard to accomplish when you're getting battered every time the ball is hiked, and the only thing your coach/OC does to counter this is tell you to slide lol.

There isnt one Vick hugger that wants Foles to fail.  But dont expect us to pour syrup on dung and call it pancakes either.  Foles is dung until he isnt.

He had the best left tackle in the league last season and a decent line all around.  Top that off with a tailback who had an incredible season.  I asked for what has he accomplished not a bunch of reasons he hasn't accomplished anything.  Back to back this team had super bowl aspirations and both seasons this team has just continued to regress.  

Also how the hell does everybody on these boards just know that Nick Foles isn't a franchise QB?  I'm not saying he is and I'm not saying he isn't.  Who the hell knows what he is.  I don't know, you don't know and the organization doesn't know either.  

I don't get it you constantly make up a new excuse for Vick, but for Foles he doesn't get any passes at all.  He was just supposed to step in with half the offensive talent Vick had to work with and magically start winning games when he wasn't working with the first teamers all season.  You guys keep mentioning RG3, Luck and Wilson, but fail to mention that those guys have had like 18 weeks to develop better timing with their players.  Wilson is winning a lot of games because he has such an incredible defense and a great ground attack.  Not knocking him I think he's looked good.  Foles probably wins 3-4 games if his defense is playing half as good as the Seahawks defense has been.  

Again not saying this guy is a franchise superstar, but stop telling me he's dung.  I heard somebody else mention his damn mobility.  I could care less if the guy can run a 4.2 forty.  It has zero to do with being a QB in the NFL.  I'm all for having a servicable backup to Foles who maybe competes for a job in camp.  Its not going to be Vick.  Maybe get your line back in order and start building that defense back up.  

Whatever lets go Eagles!!!

[forevereagles]

tingblings, on 20 December 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

You're missing the point these people who think Vick is inhuman don't see logic.  According to them Foles should have stepped in and went on an 8-1 run to end the season then concluded it with a Lombardi trophy and an MVP.  It really is starting to amuse the heck out of me lol.  Brees was ran out of San Diego because he was said to be a complete bust.  Big Mistake!!!  Andrew Luck looked atrocious on Sunday and was missing wide open receivers all game long.  Do you see a million Colts fans saying get rid of him he's a bust?  Remember he also has Peyton frieken Manning's shoes to fill.  Crap I'm going back to using logic.  Damn me and my common sense thinking a rookie QB should be given any time to mature.

Sorry guys you are right Foles is clearly not the answer.  He has no talent at all just send him packing.  While we're at it the Phillies clearly should have traded Schmidtty when he hit 170 his rookie season.  The kid clearly just didn't have what it took.  After 2009 the Phillies should have also gotten rid of Cole, again because he just didn't have what it took to make it in the MLB.  Lets please just go by your logic and not allow anybody time to develop.  Anything more than like 2 games is just too long.

This post defines the anti Foles campers  perfectly. Damn Foles for  not getting us to the post season in  his 5 games.  How dare he let us down like that?

[Perforator]

forevereagles, on 22 December 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

This post defines the anti Foles campers  perfectly.

The anti Foles campers are Vick nuthuggers who will be gone once he is cut.

[EagleJoe8]

Perforator, on 22 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

The anti Foles campers are Vick nuthuggers who will be gone once he is cut.

We hope.

[FootballGod]

97is, Vick is finished. But good news, the emb now has a support system to help eagles fans struggling with the loss of Vick.

http://boards.philad...-for-vick-fans/

[FloridaBill]

97is, on 15 December 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

Foles is obviously not the answer going forward. Vick has proven he can lead a team to the playoffs and win playoff games. Get the right coach in here with vick and we are instant contenders. With foles we waste a year or two before we realize he is garbage.

and how many teams were lined up for Vick and his winning playoff abilities when he got out of prison? Could it be they KNEW something? Vick will get a job with only two types of teams ...desperate and money strapped teams.

[97is]

Having watched Foles for a couple more games, it is even more obvious now. If we want to compete again within the next 5 years we absolutely need Vick as our qb.

[cmart102]

97is, on 24 December 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Having watched Foles for a couple more games, it is even more obvious now. If we want to compete again within the next 5 years we absolutely need Vick as our qb.

Well seeing as vick won't be in the league 5 years from now...

[aspiritfall]

97is, on 24 December 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Having watched Foles for a couple more games, it is even more obvious now. If we want to compete again within the next 5 years we absolutely need Vick as our qb.

LOL idiot

[EagleJoe8]

97is, on 24 December 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Having watched Foles for a couple more games, it is even more obvious now. If we want to compete again within the next 5 years we absolutely need Vick as our qb.

Because we've been so competitive since the time he's been in there?

[wussbasket]

97is, on 24 December 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Having watched Foles for a couple more games, it is even more obvious now. If we want to compete again within the next 5 years we absolutely need Vick as our qb.

you are so pathetic