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kmass88, on 21 December 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Personally I like his never say die attitude and toughness. What has he accomplished he's had some of the best games of his career here and some of the best single season games that we've seen out of any qb (Washington massacre, Giants come back win, etc) and shown that he can be a serviceable qb in certain conditions and with help from his supporting cast play calling.

This isn't to say that I he should be the qb running away.  But as I've stated in other post. All I want to do is win. And win as soon as possible. I don't want to wait 2-3 years for a guy to develop, draft pick to pan out, etc. Our players are also getting older. Desean Jackson, Macklin, Celek, Shady, etc. are approaching the prime of their careers.  While Vick is in decline there is no arguing that based on skill and experience; putting him side by side with Foles he does give the team the best chance to win now.  Yes he is older and declining in speed.  That's my answer to your question.  I've seen enough from Vick and his career and here to know that you can win with him.  Just not as the focal piece.  And I want to win now. We have players where with some retooling, we could compete again. Sooner rather than later.

And before someone comes in with the he hasn't won/did anything comment.

Unless you're last name is Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, or Rothlisberger you haven't won ish in the last 15 years.  So that stands for all those other qbs out there as well.

Dilfer?  He won a Superbowl.. that's what eagles fans want, isn't it?

The problem on this team is defense. If we don't fix the defense, we don't compete..

You don't need an all star qb. Its nice, but you don't need it. If you have a great defense, and a serviceable qb that can pill through in the clutch if you need it, you can beat any team. Ask the 49ers. Or Trent Dilfer..

And you can tell me that the 9ers lost to the giants last year, but if you don't know that the punt returner gave that game away, then you clearly didn't watch it..

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Phila.:chip, on 19 December 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Andy also stated that our receivers were fine when we all knew they weren't. He stated that our LBs were fine when we knew they weren't. Just because Andy says something about his players doesn't make it true. Now, about having a tight grip on the playbook, or making adjustments at the line, are you saying that McNabb didn't understand the playbook or audible ?This is why I think people are racist on here when they question a black QBs intellect while praising a white QB's intellect. So McNabb, who in his prime, who was arguably a top three QB, didn't have a firm grasp of the playbook, yet Foles (who hardly completes passes over 10 yards) does ?
The only difference, other than the fact that McNabb is the best Eagles QB of all time, between Foles and McNabb is the color of their skin, and that's why you think he was smarter than McNabb.

Why are we talking about McNabb?  Foles seems like a pretty smart guy, to come in as a rookie with a good grasp of the offense and be calling audibles at the line and designing plays on the fly.  

I never felt McNabb was stupid, but it's been proven he was lazy and had a poor work ethic.  He also had no touch/accuracy on short/intermediate passes at all.  With that said, would I take him in his prime right now in this mess we have?  In a heartbeat.  

Our QB next year will all be up to (hopefully) our new GM and head coach.

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blindside, on 21 December 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Dilfer?  He won a Superbowl.. that's what eagles fans want, isn't it?

The problem on this team is defense. If we don't fix the defense, we don't compete..

You don't need an all star qb. Its nice, but you don't need it. If you have a great defense, and a serviceable qb that can pill through in the clutch if you need it, you can beat any team. Ask the 49ers. Or Trent Dilfer..

And you can tell me that the 9ers lost to the giants last year, but if you don't know that the punt returner gave that game away, then you clearly didn't watch it..

Um you seem to be arguing against what i said?

I'm pretty much in agreement with you. I've said and been saying that you can win with at least avg. qb play from ANYONE. As long as you are strong in other areas.

I just answered the question why I wouldn't mind having Vick over Foles. In the end it doesn't matter to me either way. I just want a damn lombardi at this point.

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Race card = pathetic + incorrect

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If Foles was African American, people would still think he's smarter than Vick and McNabb.. well, if they knew what the hell they were talking about, anyway...

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