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[Dylan8]

Not my words.

http://www.philly.co...g_mistakes.html

Apologize if this has already been posted.

[NCTANK]

i hate the guy too but we came so close that year.

i wish we could use cuss words on here. i'd light the lamp right now.

[Eagles311]

Letting Owens go was his second...

Badum, tss!

[AceofSpades]

The reason people are so sour on T.O. being here was the disaster that was 2005. Bringing in Owens wasn't the problem. The real issue was how everyone involved completely mishandled the ending. At the time we loved the fact that the Eagles finally had a true #1 receiver. The way it ended was what made people forget about what he added to the team in 2004. In fact even before this whole T.O. thing started in the summer of 2005, the downfall actually began after the Super Bowl loss. The Eagles approached that entire offseason as if they didn't have to do anything to improve and they had this mentality of not really needing to do much of anything. The rest of the NFC took advantage and exposed the Eagles and ended up surpassing the Eagles. The team hadn't been the same since.

[phonz3]

Interesting take - he sold his soul for a true number 1 WR.  It almost worked.

[Eaglesfanforlife]

AceofSpades, on 17 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

The reason people are so sour on T.O. being here was the disaster that was 2005. Bringing in Owens wasn't the problem. The real issue was how everyone involved completely mishandled the ending. At the time we loved the fact that the Eagles finally had a true #1 receiver. The way it ended was what made people forget about what he added to the team in 2004. In fact even before this whole T.O. thing started in the summer of 2005, the downfall actually began after the Super Bowl loss. The Eagles approached that entire offseason as if they didn't have to do anything to improve and they had this mentality of not really needing to do much of anything. The rest of the NFC took advantage and exposed the Eagles and ended up surpassing the Eagles. The team hadn't been the same since.

Very very well said. Whether the Eagles were right or not, they blew it. They completely mishandled the entire situation. They were on their "gold standard" high and forgot that things can change pretty quick. And yea, outside of that '09 season, the team has never really been the same.

And no, his first mistake was to refuse to get McNabb the true WR he needed earlier.Bad draft selections and FA signings at that position killed our chances when they were at their highest. What McNabb was able to do with the smoke and mirrors he had is more than you can ever ask of any QB.

[AceofSpades]

Eaglesfanforlife, on 17 December 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Very very well said. Whether the Eagles were right or not, they blew it. They completely mishandled the entire situation. They were on their "gold standard" high and forgot that things can change pretty quick. And yea, outside of that '09 season, the team has never really been the same.

And no, his first mistake was to refuse to get McNabb the true WR he needed earlier.Bad draft selections and FA signings at that position killed our chances when they were at their highest. What McNabb was able to do with the smoke and mirrors he had is more than you can ever ask of any QB.

The problem has been the arrogance. The constant "we're fine there" crap. The garbage of them trying to plug anybody in at key positions and trying to tell the fans that they didn't need to do anything special at certain positions. That offseason following the Super Bowl really told everybody what they thought. They felt like they were on top and acted like they accomplished what they needed to accomplish. They acted like they were the champions and didn't have to do much or like they'd already achieved their goals.

[Irishshuck]

Thrash and Pinkston, and you say bringing in Owens was a mistake?

[Nitro276]

AceofSpades, on 17 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

The reason people are so sour on T.O. being here was the disaster that was 2005. Bringing in Owens wasn't the problem. The real issue was how everyone involved completely mishandled the ending. At the time we loved the fact that the Eagles finally had a true #1 receiver. The way it ended was what made people forget about what he added to the team in 2004. In fact even before this whole T.O. thing started in the summer of 2005, the downfall actually began after the Super Bowl loss. The Eagles approached that entire offseason as if they didn't have to do anything to improve and they had this mentality of not really needing to do much of anything. The rest of the NFC took advantage and exposed the Eagles and ended up surpassing the Eagles. The team hadn't been the same since.

Agreed.  I thought it was great having T.O. here in 04 and he broke is a** getting prepared to play in the Super Bowl following that nasty horse collar tackle by Roy Williams.  If the team had established captains, say Dawkins, Trotter, and even McNabb, the T.O. situation and his strong personality would have been controlled in the locker room, and he may have played the remainder of his career here.  A legitimate #2 WR and RB would have helped for 05 and beyond as well.

[Eaglesfanforlife]

Irishshuck, on 17 December 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

Thrash and Pinkston, and you say bringing in Owens was a mistake?

Yea, idk what he's talking about lol. The problem with T.O. was after the SB season.

[BillTheButcher]

honestly that was the best year of eagles football i can remember. totally worth the next years headaches even if we didnt win the super bowl marcus hayes is an idiot.

[mwz1970]

the problem was the eagles and banner being too cheap and arrogant to re-structure his contract. they should have.

the guy was the best player on the field in the super bowl. 4 weeks removed from a broken leg.

[BillTheButcher]

ownes was the best move reid ever made, besides choosing mcnabb in that draft.

[Eaglesdude55]

I stop reading when he called drafting desean Jackson a mistake.

[Eagles3785]

Wow!!!

I personally want to inappropriate then set up some kind of test Jig-saw style and make him watch it...

Bringing in Owens wasn't a mistake...he inspired this team to a super bowl (yeah we won the 2 play off games without him but who knows how the season would've went with Thrash instead of Owens)

The mistake was his contract because it was low balled from the start, and Owens was idiotic in signing it because he figured he'd have a big season and "out play" the contract and get a new one and the eagles weren't budging...

Drafting Desean and resigning him WAS NOT a damn mistake either...he's a home run hitter and who cares if he gets shut down because safety's play 30 yards off the Line of Scrimmage...THAT'S WHEN YOU RUN THE BALL

He coulda handled the Dawkins situation better...

Washburns style worked last year...it was horrible this year so i dunno bout that

[BillTheButcher]

ownes didnt want his contract extened either, he wanted it complete tore up and given a new one. ownes was under contract for the next 6 years. he just didnt like the base salaries.

[craigj]

We were cheated out of the trophy.

Owens and Rosenhaus blew up this team for the following 8 years - we never recovered. Time to move on.

[The_Talon]

that's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Owens was not a mistake. The mistake, as others have already stated, was how long it took to get a receiver like Owens.

Man, imagine if a few years ago we still had Owens, got and kept Donte Stallworth, added Maclin and DJax. We'd of had the best receiving corps in the league. When you have receivers like that, it would be much easier to be a pass-happy offense.

Now for the last few years Reid has been treating Safety and Linebacker positions the way he treated the Wide Receiver position back then.

[IggleWalt]

AceofSpades, on 17 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

The reason people are so sour on T.O. being here was the disaster that was 2005. Bringing in Owens wasn't the problem. The real issue was how everyone involved completely mishandled the ending. At the time we loved the fact that the Eagles finally had a true #1 receiver. The way it ended was what made people forget about what he added to the team in 2004. In fact even before this whole T.O. thing started in the summer of 2005, the downfall actually began after the Super Bowl loss. The Eagles approached that entire offseason as if they didn't have to do anything to improve and they had this mentality of not really needing to do much of anything. The rest of the NFC took advantage and exposed the Eagles and ended up surpassing the Eagles. The team hadn't been the same since.

What really killed this team was not the FO arrogance but the fact that our so called leaders got exposed by TO. When TO started ripping into McNabb either Dawkins or Trotter should have stood up but neither one of them did. They backed off instead of handling the situation like men. That basically showed that this team had very little leadership. Hugh was the only one who stood up to TO.

I have ZERO problems how the FO handled TO. They have done many things wrong but that wasn't one of them. The 2005 season didn't go down because the FO didn't improve in the off season it went down because TO had already spread the cancer throughout the locker room. Same thing he did with just about every team he was on. If TO didn't start his **** I have no doubts that the Eagles get back to the SB. They probably win it. That Steeler team wasn't that great.

[flyeagles]

brining in TO was one of the better decisions Reid made , cut me a break already.

[alfduh]

Dumbest article I ever read. They had every reason to pay and extend him after that Super Bowl performance. That was one of. The greatest 2 years even when they were bickering they were good. Both are nuts for not making that work,

[BillTheButcher]

alfduh, on 18 December 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

Dumbest article I ever read. They had every reason to pay and extend him after that Super Bowl performance. That was one of. The greatest 2 years even when they were bickering they were good. Both are nuts for not making that work,

uhhh the 2nd year we missed the playoffs

[blindside]

mwz1970, on 17 December 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

the problem was the eagles and banner being too cheap and arrogant to re-structure his contract. they should have.

the guy was the best player on the field in the super bowl. 4 weeks removed from a broken leg.

he had just signed a contract.. for a lot of money. Only reason he wanted a new one was because he had just signed rosenhaus, and rosenhaus didn't get anything from his previous contract. That was all on drew..

[joespadaro]

Drating McNabb over Ricky Williams was Reids first mistake!

[flyerdog]

arrogance....absolutely the key word....

and "too little too late"

[BillTheButcher]

joespadaro, on 18 December 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Drating McNabb over Ricky Williams was Reids first mistake!

not really tho

[wydok]

I disagree.  Not handling the situation before the start of the next season was his first big mistake.

[odin8888]

The eagles could not draft or develop a quality wide receiver so we bring in the prima donna free agent. either you keep a hammer down on the prima donnas or they ruin you.

[BloodTYpe_Green]

2 million dollars!!!!!   You give TO 2 million dollars after the super bowl loss to boost his ego and make him a top 3 paid WR and you avoid this whole mess.  2 million dolllars!  You're a billion dollar franchise, come on man!

[BillTheButcher]

BloodTYpe_Green, on 18 December 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

2 million dollars!!!!!   You give TO 2 million dollars after the super bowl loss to boost his ego and make him a top 3 paid WR and you avoid this whole mess.  2 million dolllars!  You're a billion dollar franchise, come on man!

TO didnt want 2 million he want more!!! he wanted his old deal completely torn up and a new one made a year after signing a new deal. who does that??? TO and TO. No one else.