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[alfduh]

Looking at it again, I don't think rebuilding would take very long.

If you honestly look at the teams biggest needs you start glaring directly at the safety position. Coleman we got away with a little last year but we need to not make this mistake thrice and end up with some bums, either address round two or draft 2/3 which honestly may be worth it. The first pick if we have a shot at this a&m lineman then we should pull the trigger.

I understand everyone's complete dislike of Michael Vick at quarterback.... But I'm not so sure that he is done so fast here. Lemme explain why.

  Michael Vick has the ability to do one thing nick foles cannot do. Put people's asses in the seat because you are no doubt going to see a show. Jeffery Loves making money and I'm not sure he'd give up on a quarterback who did some really incredible along with the bad. Nick foles I understand is a rookie , but look at other rookies around the leagues first couple of starts. I'm not trying to be negative or be lifting but with Vick out and them virtually out of the playoff race I highly doubt this was more of anything but a workout for nick foles, Vick and this team could do something special with a real oline and a real Fing tight end. I think they keep him with foles getting some experience ready because we all know we will watch a team with mike vick and if we can realistically bring Rex Ryan in to D . My goodness .

[Vee]

I don't know if you've been watching the Eagles over the past two seasons, by your post it's clear you have not.

Michael Vick no longer provides a "show".  That program has packed up and moved to Washington DC.  If you are interested in seeing vintage Michael Vick, you'll have to tune into the RG3 show.

His PERCEIVED ability to put butts in seats MIGHT get him an opportunity to be a backup somewhere else, but if he's staying here it's going to be solely based on what the NEXT head coach believes he can do, not the show that he can no longer put on.

At this point in his career, his ability to escape defenders puts him in the same category as most other QBs in this league.  He's faster than some,  but certainly fastest no more.

[The_Talon]

I'm not sure Philly fans that attend the games on a regular basis ever bought into Michael Vick "the show." He did play lights out in 2010 and I think he won most of us over, but I don't know any fellow Eagles fans that bought into any sort of gimmick of what he once was. I know I certainly didn't. I still cheered for him every week, but that's because I'm an Eagles fan.

Secondly, I agree we need to address Safety, O-line, and also linebacker. Those three positions are of dire need for us.

Third, as much money as Lurie wants to make, I do believe him when he says he wants to win championships. I really believe he's sincere about that. The money is nice, but he already has a lot of that. You can tell the guy is competitive and he's pissed off when we lose.

[CaptainCutlery]

The_Talon, on 19 December 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

I'm not sure Philly fans that attend the games on a regular basis ever bought into Michael Vick "the show." He did play lights out in 2010 and I think he won most of us over, but I don't know any fellow Eagles fans that bought into any sort of gimmick of what he once was. I know I certainly didn't. I still cheered for him every week, but that's because I'm an Eagles fan.

Secondly, I agree we need to address Safety, O-line, and also linebacker. Those three positions are of dire need for us.

Third, as much money as Lurie wants to make, I do believe him when he says he wants to win championships. I really believe he's sincere about that. The money is nice, but he already has a lot of that. You can tell the guy is competitive and he's pissed off when we lose.

And, let's be honest here.  What would make more money than winning a championship?

[bigbeak]

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Looking at it again, I don't think rebuilding would take very long.

If you honestly look at the teams biggest needs you start glaring directly at the safety position. Coleman we got away with a little last year but we need to not make this mistake thrice and end up with some bums, either address round two or draft 2/3 which honestly may be worth it. The first pick if we have a shot at this a&m lineman then we should pull the trigger.

I understand everyone's complete dislike of Michael Vick at quarterback.... But I'm not so sure that he is done so fast here. Lemme explain why.

  Michael Vick has the ability to do one thing nick foles cannot do. Put people's asses in the seat because you are no doubt going to see a show. Jeffery Loves making money and I'm not sure he'd give up on a quarterback who did some really incredible along with the bad. Nick foles I understand is a rookie , but look at other rookies around the leagues first couple of starts. I'm not trying to be negative or be lifting but with Vick out and them virtually out of the playoff race I highly doubt this was more of anything but a workout for nick foles, Vick and this team could do something special with a real oline and a real Fing tight end. I think they keep him with foles getting some experience ready because we all know we will watch a team with mike vick and if we can realistically bring Rex Ryan in to D . My goodness .

I agree they could turn it around in a heart beat, but the TE? Celek is amazing, we could use 3, but #87 is #1.

[phillygrump]

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Looking at it again, I don't think rebuilding would take very long.

If you honestly look at the teams biggest needs you start glaring directly at the safety position. Coleman we got away with a little last year but we need to not make this mistake thrice and end up with some bums, either address round two or draft 2/3 which honestly may be worth it. The first pick if we have a shot at this a&m lineman then we should pull the trigger.

I understand everyone's complete dislike of Michael Vick at quarterback.... But I'm not so sure that he is done so fast here. Lemme explain why.

  Michael Vick has the ability to do one thing nick foles cannot do. Put people's asses in the seat because you are no doubt going to see a show. Jeffery Loves making money and I'm not sure he'd give up on a quarterback who did some really incredible along with the bad. Nick foles I understand is a rookie , but look at other rookies around the leagues first couple of starts. I'm not trying to be negative or be lifting but with Vick out and them virtually out of the playoff race I highly doubt this was more of anything but a workout for nick foles, Vick and this team could do something special with a real oline and a real Fing tight end. I think they keep him with foles getting some experience ready because we all know we will watch a team with mike vick and if we can realistically bring Rex Ryan in to D . My goodness .

Eagles fans don't want a show. They want a championship. Vick will provide neither at this point in his career. Also, at Vick's salary it is ridiculous to consider him being back on this team.

[ggs5008]

Vick will not be here. Even though our record was bad, I am optimistic about our position heading into the offseason.

We will have the second most cap room in the nfl.

Top 4 pick in each round.

Potential future QB in Foles?

Wide 9 is gone.

New coaching coming in.

Obviously things could get worse but I feel optimistic that we can turn this thing around rather quickly with management bringing in the right coaches.

[green&mean]

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Looking at it again, I don't think rebuilding would take very long.

If you honestly look at the teams biggest needs you start glaring directly at the safety position. Coleman we got away with a little last year but we need to not make this mistake thrice and end up with some bums, either address round two or draft 2/3 which honestly may be worth it. The first pick if we have a shot at this a&m lineman then we should pull the trigger.

I understand everyone's complete dislike of Michael Vick at quarterback.... But I'm not so sure that he is done so fast here. Lemme explain why.

  Michael Vick has the ability to do one thing nick foles cannot do. Put people's asses in the seat because you are no doubt going to see a show. Jeffery Loves making money and I'm not sure he'd give up on a quarterback who did some really incredible along with the bad. Nick foles I understand is a rookie , but look at other rookies around the leagues first couple of starts. I'm not trying to be negative or be lifting but with Vick out and them virtually out of the playoff race I highly doubt this was more of anything but a workout for nick foles, Vick and this team could do something special with a real oline and a real Fing tight end. I think they keep him with foles getting some experience ready because we all know we will watch a team with mike vick and if we can realistically bring Rex Ryan in to D . My goodness .

While I agree with your first statement, I disagree with your methods. I think this team does have talent, but it's on the outside. Under AR our greatest successes have come when the team was built from the inside out...namely both sides of the line. When we had good lines, we got by and won with AJ Feely and an old Jeff Garcia. We need to start there..especially O-Line...and note the guys on IR and not guaranteed to return to form. In fact our biggest failure there this year was a glaring lack of depth. We also need to relearn, ball control. We must lead the NFL in 3 & outs this year. The D-Line is much further along than the O, and may be fixed by better coaching. You started at safety, but really the big difference in 2011 and 2012, is SACKS. QBs do not complete passes on their backs. Not only do we need to increase our numbers by the violence at the point of attack. How many QBs have we KOed this year? Our safeties may not be the best at run support but they are exposed way to often because the front 7 get gashed on a regular basis.

You are sooooo wrong on Vick. I think he won 9 of his first 12 starts, he's 18-15 as an Eagles starter. He can no longer finish seasons. I think his greatest flaw is his inability to learn. Third stringers make better reads than he does. His brain fails to match his enormous physical talents on which time is taking a toll. Bow I'm not convinced Foles is our guy either, but I think he has all the necessary tools. First we need a new coach, then determine what offense he'll run....speaking of which, if we can improve the O-Line, I hope we get a guy who is run first. In this pass happy league, run defenses are slacking. One or two fixes in the O-Line and we can grade some road. Then I want to see what Foles is all about. Vick is done and has out laste his pre$ent value.

I too think it is time were asses the TE position going forward.

[McNabbIsGone]

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

I understand everyone's complete dislike of Michael Vick at quarterback.... But I'm not so sure that he is done so fast here. Lemme explain why.

Doesn't matter why. I can give you somewhere around $15 mil. reasons why Vick won't be back in Eagles Midnight Green next year. Unless he takes a  TREMENDOUS  pay cut. Even then, he'll likely be 2nd or 3rd string and I don't think that's where he wants to be.

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

I think they keep him with foles getting some experience ready because we all know we will watch a team with mike vick and if we can realistically bring Rex Ryan in to D . My goodness.

Honestly, I don't know what planet you're on but it certainly is not in Philly with the Eagles. Rex Ryan will likely get at least one more year to move on after the Sanchez debacle. And if both Reid and Vick aren't released post haste then I'm not sure what planet I'm on.

[bobbywizdum]

green&mean, on 19 December 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

While I agree with your first statement, I disagree with your methods. I think this team does have talent, but it's on the outside. Under AR our greatest successes have come when the team was built from the inside out...namely both sides of the line. When we had good lines, we got by and won with AJ Feely and an old Jeff Garcia. We need to start there..especially O-Line...and note the guys on IR and not guaranteed to return to form. In fact our biggest failure there this year was a glaring lack of depth. We also need to relearn, ball control. We must lead the NFL in 3 & outs this year. The D-Line is much further along than the O, and may be fixed by better coaching. You started at safety, but really the big difference in 2011 and 2012, is SACKS. QBs do not complete passes on their backs. Not only do we need to increase our numbers by the violence at the point of attack. How many QBs have we KOed this year? Our safeties may not be the best at run support but they are exposed way to often because the front 7 get gashed on a regular basis.

You are sooooo wrong on Vick. I think he won 9 of his first 12 starts, he's 18-15 as an Eagles starter. He can no longer finish seasons. I think his greatest flaw is his inability to learn. Third stringers make better reads than he does. His brain fails to match his enormous physical talents on which time is taking a toll. Bow I'm not convinced Foles is our guy either, but I think he has all the necessary tools. First we need a new coach, then determine what offense he'll run....speaking of which, if we can improve the O-Line, I hope we get a guy who is run first. In this pass happy league, run defenses are slacking. One or two fixes in the O-Line and we can grade some road. Then I want to see what Foles is all about. Vick is done and has out laste his pre$ent value.

I too think it is time were asses the TE position going forward.

i agree with all of this. The first thing i would address in the draft is RT. That way we can move herramans to RG,Kelce at C,Mathis at LG,Peters at LT. That is of coarse assuming those three get back from injury. Either way i think we have been using herramans as RT just because he is good enough to play anywhere but a true stud on the otherside of peters is needed because herramans is one of the best guards in the league !! Hopefully we can trade down to do it and acquire a 2014 first and an extra 2013 second. I would use both 2nds on the safety position and let coleman,allen,and anderson duke it out for the two back up spots. I would trade our 3rd and our 5th to try to obtain and 3rd 2nd. If there is a witten type te their grab him. Resign Drc. I know people are down on him but really we can't afford to let both corners walk. If marsh is ready release nmamdi. If he's not get a restructured deal and we can address cb with one of our 2 1sts in 2014. Obviously take best player available from the 4th round out. Thats what i would do anyways.

[Regal]

Do us a favor and don't think so much!

[Ipspots]

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Looking at it again, I don't think rebuilding would take very long.

If you honestly look at the teams biggest needs you start glaring directly at the safety position. Coleman we got away with a little last year but we need to not make this mistake thrice and end up with some bums, either address round two or draft 2/3 which honestly may be worth it. The first pick if we have a shot at this a&m lineman then we should pull the trigger.

I understand everyone's complete dislike of Michael Vick at quarterback.... But I'm not so sure that he is done so fast here. Lemme explain why.

  Michael Vick has the ability to do one thing nick foles cannot do. Put people's asses in the seat because you are no doubt going to see a show. Jeffery Loves making money and I'm not sure he'd give up on a quarterback who did some really incredible along with the bad. Nick foles I understand is a rookie , but look at other rookies around the leagues first couple of starts. I'm not trying to be negative or be lifting but with Vick out and them virtually out of the playoff race I highly doubt this was more of anything but a workout for nick foles, Vick and this team could do something special with a real oline and a real Fing tight end. I think they keep him with foles getting some experience ready because we all know we will watch a team with mike vick and if we can realistically bring Rex Ryan in to D . My goodness .

NO... NO VICK...... dont be a dolt.... say goodbye to Vick and we move on...


He did nothing of any relevance here except help to set this team back 2 years.....

[PickFoles]

alfduh, on 19 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Looking at it again, I don't think rebuilding would take very long.

It will only take long if one of the jackheads on this site becomes head coach and starts cutting people like Cullen Jenkins and Asomugha just because they heard it on WIP.