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[jazzy74]

Has us taking Milliner at #4

4. Philadelphia Eagles: Dee Milliner, Cornerback, Alabama*
The Philly offensive line has been terrible this season, but they’re injured. Jason Peters will be back next season. So will Todd Herremans. I’m more concerned with the Philly defensive backfield. Nnamdi Asomugha’s best days are behind him, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie can’t tackle, and the rest of the corners are just guys. Milliner isn’t just a guy. He’s the next in a long line of great Alabama corners to enter the NFL Draft. He’ll be a good fit in Philly — playing for whoever’s coaching them next season.

[time2rock]

Can't say I'd be upset if he was our pick.  We need help in a lot of places.

[Golfesv]

Don't agree that is too high to pick him they should go for Joeckel!! What great corners have come out of Alabama Kirkpatrick can't get on the field, Robinson isn't that good?

[jazzy74]

They Have Joeckel goin #1 to KC.  I do think secondary is an area of need along with OL.

[NOTW]

They need to continue as they did in this last draft by not reaching for a position out of need.  They need to address certain positions but in rounds 1 and 2 take BPA.  They weren't as desperate for a DT last year compared to other positions but Fletcher Cox was the BPA at that time for that value and draft position.

They need to take one of the OTs probably because the O line needs a lot of help and old guys returning from injury leaves a question mark there.  But, the goal is to get a playmaker and difference maker in round 1.  If that's a stud CB, so be it.  If that's a 10 year OT, that would be great, too.

[Regal]

I'd love to get him. Very physical with nice speed. Roll Tide Roll!!!

[LaxPlayerX3]

I'd be happy with most of the Top 5 talents.

Te'o
Joeckel
Milliner
Star

Just give me a difference maker.

[MightyJNC]

Target the RT in FA (Dotson TB) and give me Jarvis Jones in the 1st to play the SAM/Joker position.

There will be several very good safeties/CBs still available in the 2nd:

S - Jefferson, Reid
CB - Rhodes, Poyer

[weko]

NOTW, on 19 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

They need to continue as they did in this last draft by not reaching for a position out of need.  They need to address certain positions but in rounds 1 and 2 take BPA.  They weren't as desperate for a DT last year compared to other positions but Fletcher Cox was the BPA at that time for that value and draft position.

They need to take one of the OTs probably because the O line needs a lot of help and old guys returning from injury leaves a question mark there.  But, the goal is to get a playmaker and difference maker in round 1.  If that's a stud CB, so be it.  If that's a 10 year OT, that would be great, too.

The exception to that rule is cornerbacks.  If you need one, you must take a cb in the first 2 rounds.  Very few cbs
amount to much after round 2.

[time2rock]

Have to agree with NOTW and Lax ... give me BPA, one who will be a difference-maker.  I know it is too early to say with 100% certainty, but so far Cox looks like he fits that description.

[odin8888]

So many needs, but I think the strength of this draft is oline at the top, then go db whether safety or corner, and then again safety or corner, then find TE, WR, DT, LB

[QBhunter58]

wouldnt be disappointed with this pick if Jockel isnt avaliable...
then in later round we need to get a good Safety like Vaccarro, elam, rambo, reid

and if ej manuel droops very far that could be interesting... ugghh sOOO many NEEDS

[bobbywizdum]

QBhunter58, on 19 December 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

wouldnt be disappointed with this pick if Jockel isnt avaliable...
then in later round we need to get a good Safety like Vaccarro, elam, rambo, reid

and if ej manuel droops very far that could be interesting... ugghh sOOO many NEEDS

i can just imagine the jersey sales for rambo !! playing in the philly.

[biglou22]

Golfesv, on 19 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Don't agree that is too high to pick him they should go for Joeckel!! What great corners have come out of Alabama Kirkpatrick can't get on the field, Robinson isn't that good?

I agree with you on both fronts.
I would love to see his list of GREAT Bama CBs in the NFL ??????????
I am a HUGE BAMA fan and yes they have had endless great COLLEGE CBs.
BUt then when they get to the NFL ?? Not so much.

[NOTW]

weko, on 19 December 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

The exception to that rule is cornerbacks.  If you need one, you must take a cb in the first 2 rounds.  Very few cbs
amount to much after round 2.

I get that, that's why I said if you have an opportunity for a difference maker at CB in round 1, take him.  Hopefully whoever they take in round 1 is not a reach and is an impact player.

[Golfesv]

I really hope joeckel is still around for us to take! If he goes number one wow that would stink. If so may e trade back and pick up warmack and fluker or something like that?

[BDAWK_4EVER]

If we get either Elam or Rambo, I'll be happy.

[PrinceKelby]

If they want to draft Milliner there I would trade the pick and move down a few spots and acquire more picks.  Milliner should NOT be going in the top 5.

[The Eagles win!]

jazzy74, on 19 December 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

They Have Joeckel goin #1 to KC.  I do think secondary is an area of need along with OL.

Who else is taken?

I can't imagine we'd pass on Smith or Star.  I wouldn't pass on Jones either.

[biglou22]

PrinceKelby, on 19 December 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

If they want to draft Milliner there I would trade the pick and move down a few spots and acquire more picks.  Milliner should NOT be going in the top 5.

100% agree on both fronts also.
Listen, we all know the history of the top 10 picks in the draft. On average 3 of the top 10 are BUSTS. The last thing we need is to have a top 5 pick and miss.
Trade and get a couple more picks.

And the truth is, since the 2000 draft there hasn't been more then a few that have completely changed a franchise.
I suggest that every person on these boards go back and look at the endless failed top 5 picks since 2000.
When I go back and look at all those years top 5 picks, here is the ENTIRE LIST of players that absolutely changed that franchise around.
Yes, there were some other good players. But EVERY single one of those top 5 picks could have EASILY been replaced by lower rd picks.

2002 - L.Tomlison
2004 - A.Johnson / and that took 7 friggen years and 15 other players
2005 - E.Manning
2008 - M.Ryan
2010 - V.Miller / and they still need Peyton to make it work.

[downsoufeagleluva]

As badly as I want a physical corner, Peters injury history and the Eagles luck does not give me any confidence at all and I STILL think Herremans is overrated at tackle and I prefer him at Guard

We need to get a Vet and a blue chip rookie for this OL to have any chance to contend in the next few years.  

If we could trade down and manage to get a decent corner/safety AND Chance Warmack, I would do it.....but Chance isnt going to be on the board very long either.  

Though I think Star Lotulelei would be awesome here, we would be addressing the one area where we are strong and forsaking so many areas where we are weak.

[CaliEagle]

You draft the BPA available and try to land a pro-bowl caliber, leader type of player. If Millner is that guy, then I have no problem with it. You shouldn't just draft a position like OL, just because it is your primary need area unless the player there is a franchise type of player.

[PrinceKelby]

biglou22, on 19 December 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

100% agree on both fronts also.
Listen, we all know the history of the top 10 picks in the draft. On average 3 of the top 10 are BUSTS. The last thing we need is to have a top 5 pick and miss.
Trade and get a couple more picks.

And the truth is, since the 2000 draft there hasn't been more then a few that have completely changed a franchise.
I suggest that every person on these boards go back and look at the endless failed top 5 picks since 2000.
When I go back and look at all those years top 5 picks, here is the ENTIRE LIST of players that absolutely changed that franchise around.
Yes, there were some other good players. But EVERY single one of those top 5 picks could have EASILY been replaced by lower rd picks.

2002 - L.Tomlison
2004 - A.Johnson / and that took 7 friggen years and 15 other players
2005 - E.Manning
2008 - M.Ryan
2010 - V.Miller / and they still need Peyton to make it work.

Hey Lou. . .well it's the end of an era.  As much as I've complained about AR for years I really feel bad that he's going out on such a terrible note as this but I'm pretty excited to see someone else in there.

Have you finally turned the leaf and ready for someone else in here?

[biglou22]

downsoufeagleluva, on 19 December 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

As badly as I want a physical corner, Peters injury history and the Eagles luck does not give me any confidence at all and I STILL think Herremans is overrated at tackle and I prefer him at Guard

We need to get a Vet and a blue chip rookie for this OL to have any chance to contend in the next few years.  

If we could trade down and manage to get a decent corner/safety AND Chance Warmack, I would do it.....but Chance isnt going to be on the board very long either.  

Though I think Star Lotulelei would be awesome here, we would be addressing the one area where we are strong and forsaking so many areas where we are weak.

Yes, we likely need 1 starter and probably 2 decent backups. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with........
Peters
Herremans
Kelce
Mathis.
:ots of teams would love to go into next season knowing those are 4 of your starting OL.

[Rodney_Zero]

Stay away from Teo, we don't need him

[Footballman175]

Milliner + DRC --- Elam +  ______ <------Free Agent = Hopefully one of the best secondaries in the NFL.

[BirdGang45]

I would draft Xavier Rhodes in the later rounds.

[PhillySmoke]

I'd like one of the nose tackles lotuleilei or Jenkins or Hankins at some point. just having a guy that big on the dline opens up so much for your defense. we could start running a hybrid front and I think that's where nfl defenses are headed. being able to switch back and forth from a 4-3 look to a 3-4 look would give opposing oc's fits. hopefully we can get one in rd 1 or 2. olb, s, and ot could be addressed later in the draft or in fa. just my 2 cents

[nipples]

PrinceKelby, on 19 December 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

If they want to draft Milliner there I would trade the pick and move down a few spots and acquire more picks.  Milliner should NOT be going in the top 5.

That's the problem with this draft... there really is no solid, unquestionable top 5. Any of the picks 1 through 10 are looking like pretty much the same quality, and it's not great.

[Couch Potato]

odin8888, on 19 December 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

So many needs, but I think the strength of this draft is oline at the top, then go db whether safety or corner, and then again safety or corner, then find TE, WR, DT, LB

Ok, how about...

4.   OT Luke Joeckel/Jordan Matthews
37. S Matt Elam/Kenny Vaccaro
66. CB Justin Gilbert/Logan Ryan
99. WR Jordan Matthews/Cobi Hamilton
130. DT Brandon Williams/Josh Boyd
163. TE Travis Kelce/Zach Sudfield
194. SLB AJ Klein/Nick Clancy