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[LaxPlayerX3]

Stafford had a pre-existing injury on his shoulder and I'm fairly certain that's what got injured (again). Jay Cutler's OL is an abomination. Big Ben buys a lot of time and gets hit, and he's also had some very, very shoddy OLs in the past. I'm pretty sure it was two seasons ago when they had no starters left on their OL by the end of the season.

You can stop making up excuses for why running QBs tend to get injured more now.

[HarborTheClay]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

What about matthew stafford, jay cutler, big ben....qbs that have been injured alot while in the pocket? You seem not to realize that.........cam newton play the same style as rg3 but he has never been injured...how come you don't bring that up? Enough with your stereotype dude....any qbs can be injured anytime anywhere.....just last year matt schaub was injured in a game that basically ended houston's  year. Stop being simple minded...stop looking into a narrow lense .....what happened to RG3 was a freak accident that can happen to any qb....he is a rookie and he will learn to run out of bounds and slide

Any qb can get injured, obviously. The RGIII type of player tends to get injured more often. All i'm saying. Also, this type of player also plays streaky and inconsistently.

It's just my opinion bud, just like you have yours, RG3 may go on to win a few super bowls in his career. Just saying history says it's extremely the opposite.

Dual threat qbs seem to keep it in their mind that they don't absolutely have to try and make the right pass when they can just run, which keeps them from improving. Instead, they try to prolong too many plays and end up just getting hurt and costing their team. In a few years, the Skins will throw 100+ million at RGIII just in time for injuries to start slowing him down. By the time he'll start to try and change the way he plays to stay healthy, it'll be too late. It's a vicious cycle. By then, you'll already have the 100 Mil eating your cap, playing with a backup qb.

Even worse in the Skins situation as they've dumped all these picks that it'll be hard to surround RGIII with much.

[JustAnotherEaglesFan]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

What about matthew stafford, jay cutler, big ben....qbs that have been injured alot while in the pocket? You seem not to realize that.........cam newton play the same style as rg3 but he has never been injured...how come you don't bring that up? Enough with your stereotype dude....any qbs can be injured anytime anywhere.....just last year matt schaub was injured in a game that basically ended houston's  year. Stop being simple minded...stop looking into a narrow lense .....what happened to RG3 was a freak accident that can happen to any qb....he is a rookie and he will learn to run out of bounds and slide

Sigh....kickers get injured too. Its the nfl. Its almost impossible not to get injured. That's the whole point. It can't be that hard to understand. Teams don't want their qb running to get that extra yard. The more you run the more extra unnecessary hits you'll take. The more "freak accidents" you'll risk. The more missed games you'll get.

[Pastor Troy]

LaxPlayerX3, on 20 December 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Stafford had a pre-existing injury on his shoulder and I'm fairly certain that's what got injured (again). Jay Cutler's OL is an abomination. Big Ben buys a lot of time and gets hit, and he's also had some very, very shoddy OLs in the past. I'm pretty sure it was two seasons ago when they had no starters left on their OL by the end of the season.

You can stop making up excuses for why running QBs tend to get injured more now.

How many injuries has tim tebow or cam newton endured?

[Pastor Troy]

HarborTheClay, on 20 December 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Any qb can get injured, obviously. The RGIII type of player tends to get injured more often. All i'm saying. Also, this type of player also plays streaky and inconsistently.

It's just my opinion bud, just like you have yours, RG3 may go on to win a few super bowls in his career. Just saying history says it's extremely the opposite.

Dual threat qbs seem to keep it in their mind that they don't absolutely have to try and make the right pass when they can just run, which keeps them from improving. Instead, they try to prolong too many plays and end up just getting hurt and costing their team. In a few years, the Skins will throw 100+ million at RGIII just in time for injuries to start slowing him down. By the time he'll start to try and change the way he plays to stay healthy, it'll be too late. It's a vicious cycle. By then, you'll already have the 100 Mil eating your cap, playing with a backup qb.

Even worse in the Skins situation as they've dumped all these picks that it'll be hard to surround RGIII with much.

You are a delusional clown who thinks rg3 will be the next vick....enough already.....how many times will i say this...they are different people.....you haven't watch any rg3's game this season so you only saw that he ran and got injured on a freak play....get over yourself....enough stereotype.....watch rg3 this sunday....u will know what i am talking about

[Pastor Troy]

JustAnotherEaglesFan, on 20 December 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

Sigh....kickers get injured too. Its the nfl. Its almost impossible not to get injured. That's the whole point. It can't be that hard to understand. Teams don't want their qb running to get that extra yard. The more you run the more extra unnecessary hits you'll take. The more "freak accidents" you'll risk. The more missed games you'll get.

That is why i said Rg3 should do a better job running out of bounds and sliding.....he shouldnt change his game for nobody....his dual threat is a nightmare for defenses

[Pastor Troy]

I will guarantee you this yall.....

Either RG3, russell wilson, colin kaepernick will represent the NFC in the superbowl....just watch!

[DawkinsOwnage03]

He should personally thank the Eagles for his resurgance.  We are the cure for any struggling team or player.  We are THAT bad.

[cmart102]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

I will guarantee you this yall.....

Either RG3, russell wilson, colin kaepernick will represent the NFC in the superbowl....just watch!

The only thing Wilson has in common with those other two is he's black...like I said before, you've clearly never seen him play you're lazily lumping him in with rg3, kaepernick, and newton.

Hell the closest player to kaepernick (style wise not skill) is ponder of the vikings who people don't realize is Fing fast. Thing is he's terrible so no one talks about him

[Pastor Troy]

DawkinsOwnage03, on 20 December 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

He should personally thank the Eagles for his resurgance.  We are the cure for any struggling team or player.  We are THAT bad.

No he should thank mike shananan

[cmart102]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

No he should thank mike shananan

He and kyle really have designed an exceptional offense to highlight his strengths.

[Pastor Troy]

cmart102, on 20 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

The only thing Wilson has in common with those other two is he's black...like I said before, you've clearly never seen him play you're lazily lumping him in with rg3, kaepernick, and newton.

Hell the closest player to kaepernick (style wise not skill) is ponder of the vikings who people don't realize is Fing fast. Thing is he's terrible so no one talks about him

Russell wilson is basically a smaller version of RG3....the only reason i lumped him with rg3 and kaepernick is because of the read option...which all 3 qbs run effectively

[cmart102]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Russell wilson is basically a smaller version of RG3....the only reason i lumped him with rg3 and kaepernick is because of the read option...which all 3 qbs run effectively

Thing you don't realize is they haven't run the read option until very very recently at seattle. In college Wilson didn't run the read option at all, played in a prostyle offense under center at wisconsin. (West coast in ncstate)

Wilson is actually not like rg3 at all. Ran completely different offenses in college, wilson has much less limitations as to what kind of offense he can run. He knows the terminology for prostyle and west coast spread, unlike rg3 who made almost no presnap reads for himself in college

[Pastor Troy]

cmart102, on 20 December 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

He and kyle really have designed an exceptional offense to highlight his strengths.

I was talking about shananan lighting up fire on the team when he said he would evaluate each position .....they design a great offense....but it won't succeed without the talent of rg3

[cmart102]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

I was talking about shananan lighting up fire on the team when he said he would evaluate each position .....they design a great offense....but it won't succeed without the talent of rg3

Cousins has looked pretty good no?

[Pastor Troy]

cmart102, on 20 December 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Cousins has looked pretty good no?

Yea against the browns.....its called stacking the box for alred morris....they use rollouts to make it ease on cousins....but cousins is talented on his own right .....i mean this is the same coaching staffs that had rex grossman, mcnabb, john beck before hahahahahahahahaha

[HarborTheClay]

I'm glad you're happy with RGIII. Wonderful. Just don't be upset when he doesn't bring home the big one. His style of play makes it unbelievably difficult to do so. The margin for error is extremely small as the player likely will miss games every year and perhaps be knocked out completely for a playoff run. They'll have to take big advantage of the few years he's healthy all year.

I'm tired of watching it. Thanking god it's finally over in this town. It happened to Cunningham, it happened to McNabb, it happened to Vick and RGIII has already missed a game in his first year because of his style. They are different players yes, but they're of the same mold or at least a cousin mold.

[Pastor Troy]

HarborTheClay, on 20 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

I'm glad you're happy with RGIII. Wonderful. Just don't be upset when he doesn't bring home the big one. His style of play makes it unbelievably difficult to do so. The margin for error is extremely small as the player likely will miss games every year and perhaps be knocked out completely for a playoff run. They'll have to take big advantage of the few years he's healthy all year.

I'm tired of watching it. Thanking god it's finally over in this town. It happened to Cunningham, it happened to McNabb, it happened to Vick and RGIII has already missed a game in his first year because of his style. They are different players yes, but they're of the same mold or at least a cousin mold.

Stop trying to rob your misery on us ahahahaha

[Excel]

cmart102, on 20 December 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Thing you don't realize is they haven't run the read option until very very recently at seattle. In college Wilson didn't run the read option at all, played in a prostyle offense under center at wisconsin. (West coast in ncstate)

Wilson is actually not like rg3 at all. Ran completely different offenses in college, wilson has much less limitations as to what kind of offense he can run. He knows the terminology for prostyle and west coast spread, unlike rg3 who made almost no presnap reads for himself in college

Russell Wilson's Achilles' heel is he's shorter than Drew Brees. That's why he wasn't a first-round pick. It's going to hinder him down the road, that's why he was drafted in the third round.

[cmart102]

Excel, on 20 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Russell Wilson's Achilles' heel is he's shorter than Drew Brees. That's why he wasn't a first-round pick. It's going to hinder him down the road, that's why he was drafted in the third round.

And he played behind the largest oline in all of college football, bigger in fact than all but 3 pro lines. Didn't stop him in the slightest. Unlike bad qbs like Vick he's actually able to find throwing lanes. He's also less than a half inch inch shorter than Brees, yet has an exceptionally high release point .

Last year at Wisconsin he had 3 passes tipped.
Tannehill had 15 (despite being 6'3"), RGIII had 8, Weeden had 7, and Luck had 2. Height is a lazy, lazy argument

[Jason1978]

cmart102, on 20 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

The only thing Wilson has in common with those other two is he's black...like I said before, you've clearly never seen him play you're lazily lumping him in with rg3, kaepernick, and newton.

Um that and Wilson is having a ROY type season and unfairly is getting overlooked. .

Excel, on 20 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Russell Wilson's Achilles' heel is he's shorter than Drew Brees. That's why he wasn't a first-round pick. It's going to hinder him down the road, that's why he was drafted in the third round.

Why will it hinder him down the road? He's playing just as well if not better than the quaterbacks taken before him. So far he has overcome everything thrown at him including the height issue.  Wilson is 5'11". He is also a proven leader and pretty mature for his age so that too helps him overcome any obsticle. He has been told he was too small his entire life. I'd love to have Wilson as the longterm Eagles QB. i like RGIII alot but the reckless style he has is only going to make his career shorter.

All on the list made at least 1 Pro Bowl:

6-0
Y.A. Title (HOF)
Frank Tarkenton (HOF, played in 3 Super Bowls)
Joe Theisman (won 1 Super Bowl)
Drew Brees (future HOF, won 1 Super Bowl)
Len Dawson (HOF, won 1 Super Bowl)
Michael Vick
5-11
Sonny Jerguson (HOF)
Pat Haden
5-10
Doug Flutie


Wilson (9-5)
95.5 QB rating, 62.9 comp %, 2697 yards, 21td/9int, 3 rushing td

[HarborTheClay]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Stop trying to rob your misery on us ahahahaha

It's misery indeed. You'll see what it's like in a few years my friend.

[Pastor Troy]

HarborTheClay, on 21 December 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

It's misery indeed. You'll see what it's like in a few years my friend.

The only misery i am going to see is you being miserable seeing rg3 winning superbowls lol

[HarborTheClay]

Pastor Troy, on 21 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

The only misery i am going to see is you being miserable seeing rg3 winning superbowls lol

You better have a good backup qb and an excellent defense. And just like the wildcat took a little while to be vanquished, so will this college style offense.

[Pastor Troy]

HarborTheClay, on 21 December 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

You better have a good backup qb and an excellent defense. And just like the wildcat took a little while to be vanquished, so will this college style offense.

yawnz

[Excel]

Jason1978, on 21 December 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

Um that and Wilson is having a ROY type season and unfairly is getting overlooked. .



Why will it hinder him down the road? He's playing just as well if not better than the quaterbacks taken before him. So far he has overcome everything thrown at him including the height issue.  Wilson is 5'11". He is also a proven leader and pretty mature for his age so that too helps him overcome any obsticle. He has been told he was too small his entire life. I'd love to have Wilson as the longterm Eagles QB. i like RGIII alot but the reckless style he has is only going to make his career shorter.

All on the list made at least 1 Pro Bowl:

6-0
Y.A. Title (HOF)
Frank Tarkenton (HOF, played in 3 Super Bowls)
Joe Theisman (won 1 Super Bowl)
Drew Brees (future HOF, won 1 Super Bowl)
Len Dawson (HOF, won 1 Super Bowl)
Michael Vick
5-11
Sonny Jerguson (HOF)
Pat Haden
5-10
Doug Flutie


Wilson (9-5)
95.5 QB rating, 62.9 comp %, 2697 yards, 21td/9int, 3 rushing td

I'm not arguing with your point… I love the guy. I'm just pointing out he is first-round pick quality, and the only reason he slipped was his height. Bringing up quarterbacks from decades past really doesn't validate your argument all that much considering the NFL is bigger, faster, and more athletic than it was in the 60s and 70s. I just don't know any modern quarterbacks 5.11 or shorter that won a Super Bowl. Mike Vick wasn't chopped liver. He was drafted 1 for a reason. He was athletic enough to run around and find open receivers when he was younger. He created his own passing lanes.

[bumpy93]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

I will guarantee you this yall.....

Either RG3, russell wilson, colin kaepernick will represent the NFC in the superbowl....just watch!

I dont think it would be a susprise or a strech to say the 49ers will make it to the SB this year.

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Yea against the browns.....its called stacking the box for alred morris....they use rollouts to make it ease on cousins....but cousins is talented on his own right .....i mean this is the same coaching staffs that had rex grossman, mcnabb, john beck before hahahahahahahahaha

He still needs to make the throws and make the right decisions. You gotta give him credit IMO. Kirk came into the game against Baltimore and threw the game tying TD and 2pt conversion and lead them to the GW FG in OT. Then he comes out and beats the all the sudden hot Cleveland Browns @ Cleveland

[Pastor Troy]

bumpy93, on 21 December 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

He still needs to make the throws and make the right decisions. You gotta give him credit IMO. Kirk came into the game against Baltimore and threw the game tying TD and 2pt conversion and lead them to the GW FG in OT. Then he comes out and beats the all the sudden hot Cleveland Browns @ Cleveland

did you read? i said cousins is talented on his own right

[LaxPlayerX3]

Pastor Troy, on 20 December 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

How many injuries has tim tebow or cam newton endured?