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[Runtherock]

And I think another coach, a smarter coach or coaches could get more out of him. How about that? You disagree? Vick entered this year completely confused, it was obvious from his interviews. One week he's the old Vick, the next week he's going to be disciplined with his progressions, back and forth, back and forth. I could easily see another coach come in here and say I want Vick, I can turn him loose and win with him. Aren't that many talented quarterbacks in this league brother, very few relatively speaking. Because Reid and the Wood couldn't get the most out of him doesn't mean someone else can't. Wouldn't be my preferred path, but its hardly an outrageous thought. The world does not begin and end with Andrew Reid and his coaching brilliance.

[Unknownbird]

I'm with you on that bra!! I'm thinking thats gonna happen anyway, they want to get rid of vick so fast because back in their minds they are scared that the next coach that will be coming here just might want to keep vick and boy would that break alot of haters hearts out there, I want to see if that would work but if that happens, I still say give him the first 4 games and if it dont work bench him, I think he will take that pay cut if the new coach that comes in here has faith in him with the new scheme he brings and overhaul that O-line, it could work.

[MR-CYN]

Vick being Vick, with all of his best 'swag' back is just what we saw. An unintelligent QB running around like a chicken with his head cut off, sliding head first for an extra half a yard, fumbling the rock like it was a greased pig. The dude is an over rated never was turbo turn over machine with a 2000 yard per season average. In other words he's garbage. Meth is hell of a drug.

[PoconoDon]

I think that in about 2 weeks we won't have to discuss Reid and Morningweg ever again........except in an historical context............yeah!!!.

[Highboy]

Vick was never the "old" Vick vs. "new" Vick. He's always been the same player. He only had about 5 games in 2010 where he looked like the "new Vick" everyone tried to hype him to be and it was a total mirage.

[mjkvol]

Lord, no.

I don't know what I'm more looking forward to, never seeing Reid on the Eagles sideline again, or never again talking about anything Reid-related with regard to the Eagles.

[Rodney_Zero]

Vick  can win a game, then the following week lose a game

[MR-CYN]

Rodney_Zero, on 20 December 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

Vick  can win a game, then the following week lose 50 fumbles

fyp

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Runtherock, on 20 December 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

I Think Reid and Morningwood Mismanaged Vick

I think Vick was just never a very smart, or good, QB. He has running ability, but reading defenses? Not so much. Teams can figure him out and when they do, all he has left is running and when they can shut that down, he's got nothing. That's the story of his entire career. He's never been very intelligent.

[Rodney_Zero]

The reason why he played so well in 2010 was because they stacked the box in fear of him running, then he finds DJ and Maclin one on one in deep routes torching  CB's. See Mon game vs the Skins, then when teams played their safetys back he became average

[Operator 7]

PoconoDon, on 20 December 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

I think that in about 2 weeks we won't have to discuss Reid and Morningweg ever again........except in an historical context............yeah!!!.

lol

[Unknownbird]

Yea, Andy and Marty definatlly mismanaged vick, couldnt protect him, tried to convert him to a pocket passer!! I'm not gonna blame them for the pics and fumbles that vick did. Kinda hoping that they do bring in Chip Kelly to see what he has planned for Vick.

[KOJO]

Unknownbird, on 21 December 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Yea, Andy and Marty definatlly mismanaged vick, couldnt protect him, tried to convert him to a pocket passer!! I'm not gonna blame them for the pics and fumbles that vick did. Kinda hoping that they do bring in Chip Kelly to see what he has planned for Vick.

Vick is gone dude. Deal with it.

[Wyoming]

Runtherock, on 20 December 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

And I think another coach, a smarter coach or coaches could get more out of him. How about that? You disagree? Vick entered this year completely confused, it was obvious from his interviews. One week he's the old Vick, the next week he's going to be disciplined with his progressions, back and forth, back and forth. I could easily see another coach come in here and say I want Vick, I can turn him loose and win with him. Aren't that many talented quarterbacks in this league brother, very few relatively speaking. Because Reid and the Wood couldn't get the most out of him doesn't mean someone else can't. Wouldn't be my preferred path, but its hardly an outrageous thought. The world does not begin and end with Andrew Reid and his coaching brilliance.

I agree. IMO, his best overall years were in ATL and they ran the ball a ton and took a lot of pressure off his shoulders. Less passing equals less hits on him with this year's o-line and with a pretty good backup as well as one of the best in the league at running the ball, I don't understand what they are trying to accomplish with him.

[ckudrick]

Wyoming, on 23 December 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

I agree. IMO, his best overall years were in ATL and they ran the ball a ton and took a lot of pressure off his shoulders. Less passing equals less hits on him with this year's o-line and with a pretty good backup as well as one of the best in the league at running the ball, I don't understand what they are trying to accomplish with him.

This is a passing league.  I'd certainly love to run/use Shady more BUT you should't have to insulate your QB from passing.  If passing isn't his strong point, then he's in the wrong profession.

[eglz1]

ckudrick, on 23 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

This is a passing league.  I'd certainly love to run/use Shady more BUT you should't have to insulate your QB from passing.  If passing isn't his strong point, then he's in the wrong profession.

And not the 'run around for 4-6 seconds then chuck it 40 yards' all the time either.

[Mr.BigKnuckles]

Vick is done in Philly due to not being able to hold onto the ball and not being able to manage Blitzes. Once Defenses figured out how to play Vick, you saw a huge decline in his play making ability. Whether that was due to AR And MM mismanaging him is beside the question. Foles has played his way into being the starter next year. But we need someone besides Vick and Edwards to challenge him, do you look to the draft or find someone through FA?

[SBorBust]

The story of Michael Vick's Pro career (as told by ESPN):

- It was Jim Mora, Jr.'s fault
- It was his friends' fault
- It was the culture's fault
- It was Marty's fault

[DaveSpadaro]

I don't think the Eagles mismanaged Vick at all. They have tried to help him become a complete QB, knowing that his running-around style doesn't work in the NFL for a long period of time. It works for a few games, maybe longer if you're lucky, but ultimately you have to be a complete QB to win in this league. Michael is much closer to that than he was when he arrived, although he needs to be better reading and adjusted and cutting down his mistakes.

[patpikunas]

DaveSpadaro, on 26 December 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I don't think the Eagles mismanaged Vick at all. They have tried to help him become a complete QB, knowing that his running-around style doesn't work in the NFL for a long period of time. It works for a few games, maybe longer if you're lucky, but ultimately you have to be a complete QB to win in this league. Michael is much closer to that than he was when he arrived, although he needs to be better reading and adjusted and cutting down his mistakes.

I think the Redskins use of RG3 is more in line with how Vick should have been used. Vick in this offense is the classic round hole/square peg conundrum.

Reid and Marty thinking they could change him is like the girl dating a bad boy thinking she is going to change him.

I have to admit, I fell for it believing he could work here but history should have told us that Vick was not going to prosper running Andy-Marty's version of the WCO.

[Unknownbird]

DaveSpadaro, on 26 December 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I don't think the Eagles mismanaged Vick at all. They have tried to help him become a complete QB, knowing that his running-around style doesn't work in the NFL for a long period of time. It works for a few games, maybe longer if you're lucky, but ultimately you have to be a complete QB to win in this league. Michael is much closer to that than he was when he arrived, although he needs to be better reading and adjusted and cutting down his mistakes.

yea dave, you would say that, well what would you say if your boss actually bring in chip and keeps vick and they blow up in 2013?  Will you publically eat your words or will you come with some lame excuse? Marty and andy had alot of mikes downfall, instead of working with his skills, they wated to make him a pocket passer, same as McNabb, he was good til he stoped running!! That line got mike killed all season but nobody see's that! All they see is the few fumbles and picks and he gets crucifide, foles, AKA superman doesnt work out like we thought it would 1 for 5? I say lets give vick a chance with this new system comming in here before throwing him out the door, I agree that he has to take that pay cut first before anything but he should at least have a shot if the new coach wants to give him one, that why most are so quick to throw him out now, you to!! he still has juice but just needs a better system and one might be comming here, lets see if it works before letting him go.

[purplefiggy]

I think in order to maximize Vick's talents, you set him free and let him play backyard football.

Which might make him a more dangerous QB, but I don't think translates to more wins over the long run.  

They managed him fine to try to help him become a better QB - he's just missing a couple of tools (and size) to become a complete player.

[bungalo71]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 20 December 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

I think Vick was just never a very smart, or good, QB. He has running ability, but reading defenses? Not so much. Teams can figure him out and when they do, all he has left is running and when they can shut that down, he's got nothing. That's the story of his entire career. He's never been very intelligent.

I've been saying since we signed that a**hole that you can't fix stupid.  No one believed me.

[mjkvol]

patpikunas, on 26 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

I think the Redskins use of RG3 is more in line with how Vick should have been used. Vick in this offense is the classic round hole/square peg conundrum.

Reid and Marty thinking they could change him is like the girl dating a bad boy thinking she is going to change him.

I have to admit, I fell for it believing he could work here but history should have told us that Vick was not going to prosper running Andy-Marty's version of the WCO.

Isn't that a phrase which pretty much sums up possibly the most glaring problem this coach had in his time here?

I get where you're going, but I don't agree with the Griffin comment for one reason, pat - Griffin has more smarts and 'football IQ' in his pinky fingernail than Vick has in his head.        That kid is an athlete, but a complete package as well.       Vick never progressed beyond the athlete part, which is why I thought this was an awful place for him to come, given The QB Guru's tendency to 'square peg/round hole' everything and everyone.

DaveSpadaro, on 26 December 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

he needs to be better reading and adjusted and cutting down his mistakes.

And when might that happen, when he's 40?  

[Operator 7]

mjkvol, on 26 December 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Isn't that a phrase which pretty much sums up possibly the most glaring problem this coach had in his time here?

I get where you're going, but I don't agree with the Griffin comment for one reason, pat - Griffin has more smarts and 'football IQ' in his pinky fingernail than Vick has in his head. That kid is an athlete, but a complete package as well.    Vick never progressed beyond the athlete part, which is why I thought this was an awful place for him to come, given The QB Guru's tendency to 'square peg/round hole' everything and everyone.



And when might that happen, when he's 40?  

Don't know if it was a lack of intelligence/education or what, but I was surprised that Vick never improved.  He DID attempt to put some energy/work into things, but they never manifested on the field.  I'm guessing that the offensive scheme we used probably made it that much harder though.

[mjkvol]

Operator 7, on 26 December 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Don't know if it was a lack of intelligence/education or what, but I was surprised that Vick never improved.  He DID attempt to put some energy/work into things, but they never manifested on the field.  I'm guessing that the offensive scheme we used probably made it that much harder though.

I never wanted him here from the start, and assumed that he would simply be used as trade bait once he was 'rehabilitated', but if you're going to go with Vick, the only kind of offense that makes any sense at all is the system they used in Atlanta - pound the ball with a couple of backs, and a single read, down the field type passing game utilizing what the guy does best - throw deep and run.

The operative phrase there is highlighted, and is exactly why there was zero chance that would ever happen here.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Op!

[Operator 7]

mjkvol, on 26 December 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

I never wanted him here from the start, and assumed that he would simply be used as trade bait once he was 'rehabilitated', but if you're going to go with Vick, the only kind of offense that makes any sense at all is the system they used in Atlanta - pound the ball with a couple of backs, and a single read, down the field type passing game utilizing what the guy does best - throw deep and run.

The operative phrase there is highlighted, and is exactly why there was zero chance that would ever happen here.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Op!

Thanks, and to you and yours as well.

I think you will be receiving a special xmas gift this year.