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[HarborTheClay]

Just thought this nugget should be passed along for all the lovers and haters of one, Howie Roseman. Not that I sway either way, I just find it interesting sometimes when you actually hear who "found" someone.




Special-teams coordinator Bobby April recalled that when the team was looking for a special-teams ace in 2010, general manager Howie Roseman showed him preseason tape of Anderson, then on the Vikings' practice squad.

"I just said,'Geez, this guy can play for anybody in this league, and he's playing for nobody. Absolutely, why not get him? What are we waiting for?' He can just play. He's underappreciated," April said.

http://www.philly.co...ith_Bowles.html

[Solomon]

Wait...I thought Howie was supposed to suck or something?

[Rob1968]

Wow "The" Bobby april and "The" Howie Roseman said this about a guy who plays special teams - which have sucked this year and now is starting in the worst secondary in the league?  Not sure what to say except you can take Roseman, April and Anderson and replace them with manny moe and jack and we'd be no worse off.

Solomon, on 21 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Wait...I thought Howie was supposed to suck or something?

he sucks at everything

[HarborTheClay]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Wow "The" Bobby april and "The" Howie Roseman said this about a guy who plays special teams - which have sucked this year and now is starting in the worst secondary in the league?  Not sure what to say except you can take Roseman, April and Anderson and replace them with manny moe and jack and we'd be no worse off.

he sucks at everything

Having Colt as a starting safety is obviously not preferred. But the man is an absolute playmaker on special teams.

[Rob1968]

HarborTheClay, on 21 December 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Having Colt as a starting safety is obviously not preferred. But the man is an absolute playmaker on special teams.

whatever you say, i mean our special teams have been stellar all year right?

[Krukslonelyball]

Solomon, on 21 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Wait...I thought Howie was supposed to suck or something?

I just can't stand hearing this guy talk. He sounds like a nervous introvert every damn time. It makes me cringe.

[Solomon]

Krukslonelyball, on 21 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I just can't stand hearing this guy talk. He sounds like a nervous introvert every damn time. It makes me cringe.

I definitely agree with you there. That voice is maddening.

[RedZoneD25]

Krukslonelyball, on 21 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I just can't stand hearing this guy talk. He sounds like a nervous introvert every damn time. It makes me cringe.

You can practically see him processing generic pompous lines in his head. He's more fit for a role in Wall Street than as General Manager of an NFL team.

[Rob1968]

RedZoneD25, on 21 December 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

You can practically see him processing generic pompous lines in his head. He's more fit for a role in Wall Street than as General Manager of an NFL team.

as evidenced by his drafts and FA acquistions

[inhumanehuman]

The only people that think Howie sucks are the ones that know nothing about the GM position. The Howie haters seem to think that he had control over the players drafted/traded/acquired during his tenure. They do not realize that he has been nothing short of a magician in managing salary cap, and getting Andy Reid every single player he set his eyes on.

[HarborTheClay]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

whatever you say, i mean our special teams have been stellar all year right?

I would say the coverage units got much better when he returned. For as much as one man can do.

[Rob1968]

inhumanehuman, on 21 December 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

The only people that think Howie sucks are the ones that know nothing about the GM position. The Howie haters seem to think that he had control over the players drafted/traded/acquired during his tenure. They do not realize that he has been nothing short of a magician in managing salary cap, and getting Andy Reid every single player he set his eyes on.

Oh ok, so he had no input in any players and just managed the cap right?  Didnt play a part in getting Namdi, right?  Pretty sure i saw him shoot his load when they drafted Brandon Graham.   Be honest.  Did reid have the final say, in most cases i'm sure, but this dimwit couldnt tell a good prospect from a bad one and it'd been obvious.

inhumanehuman, on 21 December 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

The only people that think Howie sucks are the ones that know nothing about the GM position. The Howie haters seem to think that he had control over the players drafted/traded/acquired during his tenure. They do not realize that he has been nothing short of a magician in managing salary cap, and getting Andy Reid every single player he set his eyes on.

oh and FYI, we are 17 mil over for next year and this team BLOWS!!!!!!

[inhumanehuman]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Oh ok, so he had no input in any players and just managed the cap right?  Didnt play a part in getting Namdi, right?  Pretty sure i saw him shoot his load when they drafted Brandon Graham.   Be honest.  Did reid have the final say, in most cases i'm sure, but this dimwit couldnt tell a good prospect from a bad one and it'd been obvious.

#1 - Brandon Grahamn looks like he is going to be a dominant player now that he is healthy.

#2 - Howie did play a huge role in getting those players, but it was Reid's team to build. Howie simply acquired the players Andy wanted. End of story.

oh and FYI, we are 17 mil over for next year and this team BLOWS!!!!!!
...and if you think that this team is 17 million over at the beginning of next season, I want some of what you are on. Vick's contract won't be here, Nnamdi has already said he is open to restructuring, Jenkins will likely be let go to free up his salary, etc. etc. etc.

Your real beef should be with the coaching staff, not the man who is doing his job well.

[odin8888]

Finding a player with "heart" is very difficult... size, speed, athleticism, but heart and instinct is hard to find... WIsh we could find one with heart, instinct, size and athleticism.... LOL

[Rob1968]

inhumanehuman, on 21 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Your real beef should be with the coaching staff, not the man who is doing his job well.

oh the coahing staff sucks, but i have no evidence that roseman has a clue how to be a GM.  And if thats his role, then he evaluates talent and if you are allowing him to wash his hands of the distaer of the last 3 off seasons, then fine.  but he played a part.  And so for next year you are counting on PLAYERS HE SIGNED to be cut to get under the cap?   And he doesnt suck, how?  lol

[cb4130]

Well, both the defense and the special teams are horrible, so finding one player when other teams are finding several isnt going to get it done.

[inhumanehuman]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

oh the coahing staff sucks, but i have no evidence that roseman has a clue how to be a GM.  And if thats his role, then he evaluates talent and if you are allowing him to wash his hands of the distaer of the last 3 off seasons, then fine.  but he played a part.  And so for next year you are counting on PLAYERS HE SIGNED to be cut to get under the cap?   And he doesnt suck, how?  lol

The entire point is that he brought those players in for Andy. He made the cap work to get those players for Andy. They thought that bringing in star FA's would get this team over the hump, so they took leaps. Now that it seems that the personnel moves didn't pan out, Howie has to come in and clean things up on the paperwork side.

Look, at the end of the day it's hard to say what Howie has done on his own accord because he has no control over the personnel. I'll admit that. However, you have to allow the man to do the job he was brought in to do. He was not brought in to be a player scout, or a talent evaluator, so he cannot be blamed for bust/mismanaged talent. He was brought in to do whatever it takes to put Reid's ideal team on the field, and to this point he has done so (with flying colors, I might add).

Your argument (to me) is akin to blaming the lawyer for the criminals actions. It doesn't make any sense.

[Rob1968]

inhumanehuman, on 21 December 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

The entire point is that he brought those players in for Andy. He made the cap work to get those players for Andy. They thought that bringing in star FA's would get this team over the hump, so they took leaps. Now that it seems that the personnel moves didn't pan out, Howie has to come in and clean things up on the paperwork side.

Look, at the end of the day it's hard to say what Howie has done on his own accord because he has no control over the personnel. I'll admit that. However, you have to allow the man to do the job he was brought in to do. He was not brought in to be a player scout, or a talent evaluator, so he cannot be blamed for bust/mismanaged talent. He was brought in to do whatever it takes to put Reid's ideal team on the field, and to this point he has done so (with flying colors, I might add).

Your argument (to me) is akin to blaming the lawyer for the criminals actions. It doesn't make any sense.

you are wrong, at least but what Howies says.  He was an intergral part in bring in Namdi.  Yes he went to reid when it was time to do it, but he said in interviews that he did the research and he reached out to Namdi's agent to guage interest.  So if that is the case there, am i to assume to didnt any any input whatsoever in the other crap and Washburn i might add - although he now denies, has been widely reported he wanted - And Babin too.

[inhumanehuman]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

you are wrong, at least but what Howies says.  He was an intergral part in bring in Namdi.  Yes he went to reid when it was time to do it, but he said in interviews that he did the research and he reached out to Namdi's agent to guage interest.  So if that is the case there, am i to assume to didnt any any input whatsoever in the other crap and Washburn i might add - although he now denies, has been widely reported he wanted - And Babin too.

He can "want" all he cares to. He can't pull the trigger until he is told he can. Those players/coaches aren't here unless Andy said it was ok. Howie is not the team builder.

[Rob1968]

inhumanehuman, on 21 December 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

He can "want" all he cares to. He can't pull the trigger until he is told he can. Those players/coaches aren't here unless Andy said it was ok. Howie is not the team builder.

wow.  so what we can agree on then is that reid trusted the word of a moron, who thinks he knows something about football.  That does make reid a moron and is a big reason why he is out the door.

[inhumanehuman]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

wow.  so what we can agree on then is that reid trusted the word of a moron, who thinks he knows something about football.  That does make reid a moron and is a big reason why he is out the door.

I don't think it's quite that simple, but sure. Agree to disagree on Howie overall, though. I think he has done a great job with what he has been hired to do. It is my opinion that he was brought in as a non-football guy to handle the off the field issues. He has. The fact that Reid's dream team has underperformed lies squarely on the broad shoulders of Andy Reid and said players.

Again, agree to disagree.

[birdsfan15]

Solomon, on 21 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Wait...I thought Howie was supposed to suck or something?

Are you honestly suggesting that Colt Fing Anderson is sufficient evidence of Roseman's not sucking as a GM?

[SirReal]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

whatever you say, i mean our special teams have been stellar all year right?

The Chargers keep losing. Rivers must be a bad player

The Vikings keep losing. AP must suck.

The Eagles generated almost no offense for most of the season. Shady  must be a terrible RB.

[Kolbfan4]

Roseman > most GMs in the NFL.

[surefooted]

Solomon, on 21 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

oh and FYI, we are 17 mil over for next year and this team BLOWS!!!!!!

Yes, because the Eagles are just going to leave the $22 million in cap space in this year, pay Demtress Bell his $10+ million as well as paying Vick his $15m among others.  

[CountBlah]

inhumanehuman, on 21 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Your real beef should be with the coaching staff, not the man who is doing his job well.

woo Hoo GM of a 4-10 team.   He's doing a stellar job.  Are you one of those Vick fans who thin nothing is Vicks fault as well?   Sure seems like it.

[inhumanehuman]

CountBlah, on 21 December 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

woo Hoo GM of a 4-10 team.   He's doing a stellar job.  Are you one of those Vick fans who thin nothing is Vicks fault as well?   Sure seems like it.

1. Read the rest of my posts before you challenge my judgement.

2. As I previously stated (which you couldn't be bothered to read), this teams record falls squarely on the shoulders of Reid, his coaching staff, and the players. Howie simply accrued and managed the talent/salaries that Reid asked him to get after. Howie was not brought in to be a talent scout, that much is clear.

3. Wouldn't be a CountBlah post without necessarily bringing VIck into the conversation just to throw a jab, would it?

4. On the topic of Vick, he played a major role in this teams failures and he deserves to be benched and cut at the end of the season.

[FanSinceWayBack]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Oh ok, so he had no input in any players and just managed the cap right? Didnt play a part in getting Namdi, right? Pretty sure i saw him shoot his load when they drafted Brandon Graham. Be honest.

Dont be swinging your deek around like you know everything your speaking of is a certainty.

Let me guess your 1 of the 8 Eagles fans who didnt want Nnamdi huh? You just go around preaching after the fact.
Brandon Graham isnt playing well at all is he. What a terrible terrible pick he was.

If you dont like Howie thats fine, but dont sit there act like YOU could do a better job. You just worry about your toll booth. Let football minds do the football works.

birdsfan15, on 21 December 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Are you honestly suggesting that Colt Fing Anderson is sufficient evidence of Roseman's not sucking as a GM?

Obviously a GM's worth isnt gonna ride on 1 player. But talent is talent. If you sit there and say Colt Anderson wasnt a good addition, then just stop posting.

[igglesgiggles]

It's nice he found Colt but the mark of any franchise is how they hit on 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. This is where you get your starters.

[Phila.:chip]

Colt has played two games, and has mainly benefited from the fact that the front seven is playing in an over scheme.