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[pgcd3]

time2rock, on 22 December 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

I have a feeling Lurie doesn't think this team is as bad as it appears - he'll consider all the injuries and the poor decisions Reid made (bringing in Washburn to install the wide 9, promoting Castillo to DC, etc.) along with Vick's poor play as the main reasons for the poor season, basically deflecting any blame from his golden child Howie.   Hope I'm wrong, but I have a gut feeling this is the way it goes down.

Sadly I agree even though all reasonable signs (aka the team's record) point to the fact that Howie has been doing a poor job

[Solomon]

pgcd3, on 23 December 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Sadly I agree even though all reasonable signs (aka the team's record) point to the fact that Howie has been doing a poor job

You defintitely cannot alleviate blame from Howie, but I really think that largely, this is on Andy and his staff. He canned Juan and the team got worse. He has all final say on everything. Maybe next season we find out that Howie was the biggest culprit here, but since he's not going anywhere this year, that doesn't really matter.

[9thPassyunk]

Howie needs to go plain and simple. The excuse that Andy had full control is not a valid one. Roseman was integrally involved with the evaluation process of putting this roster together.

If he was not, and all he was/is a Milquetoast lackey that does as he's told all of these years, would you want that person now having total control? I do not.

I would like to see a strong coach come in here who WANTS full control. Not someone who is subordinate to Howie Roseman who never played or participated in a Team environment and has no clue what it takes to develop the chemistry of a Championship team or lockerroom.

[MERK]

What a find... Colt Anderson
Howie should be given a lifetime contract.

Wow, that is real impressive.

[birdsfan15]

Solomon, on 23 December 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

I do have an argument, it's difficult to debate something when the other person is ill informed. The reality is that he has improved, whether you can understand that or not. I'm not saying he is going to be the next great GM, but he is improving and making better football decisions. THe 2011 draft was the worst I can remember, it was also a lockout year and Reid admitted they drafted and reached for need. This last draft, however, they went BPA and as of right now, it looks like a great one. The mve up for Graham is looking better and better each week. Hell, he's playing better than TATEs man crush, JPP. He isn't going to draft Pro Bowlers in every round, if you can come out with one good starter, it's a good draft. It looks like we have 2 starters right now, potentially 4 if Curry gets in there and if Kelly continues to play well at RT.

Howie isn't going anywhere, not this year. So if he totally sucks this year, then so be it. But as of now, he's showing improvement and, like any young NFL player, that's what you want to see.

It's easy to call someone "ill informed" when you have no other argument that makes any sort of logical sense. You don't, though, so you resort to the tactics of a 7 year-old with name-calling and repetition. Certainly nothing beyond the norm for TATE. You've said that he's "showing improvement" several times now without providing any justification whatsoever. You've pointed to last year's draft over and over again, all the while ignoring the central point of my argument, which is that you can't take anything out of last year's draft, and all of the players you use as a defense for Roseman could just as easily be used as detractors. You've also repeatedly said that if certain players work out, it will look good for Roseman. Which is true, if we could say that they've definitely worked out. But it's only a bunch of hypothetical 'if's' and 'maybe's' right now.

On the other hand, all of the evidence that we do have overwhelmingly points to Roseman's atrocious talent evaluation and decison-making. Now, you can continue to buy the party line, stick your fingers in your ears, and pretend that the evidence slapping you across the face isn't actually there. I myself prefer not to be so hopelessly delusional and illogical.

[No1BirdsFan]

Spot on

[Rob1968]

FanSinceWayBack, on 21 December 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Dont be swinging your deek around like you know everything your speaking of is a certainty.

Let me guess your 1 of the 8 Eagles fans who didnt want Nnamdi huh? You just go around preaching after the fact.
Brandon Graham isnt playing well at all is he. What a terrible terrible pick he was.

If you dont like Howie thats fine, but dont sit there act like YOU could do a better job. You just worry about your toll booth. Let football minds do the football works.

Obviously a GM's worth isnt gonna ride on 1 player. But talent is talent. If you sit there and say Colt Anderson wasnt a good addition, then just stop posting.

I didnt say i didnt want Namdi, but we had other needs.  And whether i did or thought he was a good player is irrelevant.  I'm not the GM.  He is, and when ia player doesnt work out, its on him.  Thats why he gets big bucks and is open to critisim.  If you dont like it i dont give a crap.  If you want just clap your hands and say nice try guys, go move to miami

[conradgriz]

Rob1968, on 21 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Wow "The" Bobby april and "The" Howie Roseman said this about a guy who plays special teams - which have sucked this year and now is starting in the worst secondary in the league?  Not sure what to say except you can take Roseman, April and Anderson and replace them with manny moe and jack and we'd be no worse off.

he sucks at everything

  I have watched Colt play throughout his college days at Montana and i have to say he is one the most dedicated athletes i have seen.He brings it all to the game and the Eagles knows that! Its a shame that this person cant see that.    Happy New Year to all Eagles fans  Next year will be better!!!!!

[biglou22]

Rob1968, on 26 December 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

I didnt say i didnt want Namdi, but we had other needs.  And whether i did or thought he was a good player is irrelevant.  I'm not the GM.  He is, and when ia player doesnt work out, its on him.  Thats why he gets big bucks and is open to critisim.  If you dont like it i dont give a crap.  If you want just clap your hands and say nice try guys, go move to miami

Here is the big difference in BAD MOVES and GOOD MOVES THAT ENDED UP BEING BAD MOVES.

BAD MOVES = drafting a player like J.Russell 1st overall when EVERYTHING about that player said he LIKELY couldn't play in the NFL.
GOOD MOVE THAT TURNED OUT BAD = signing 1 of the best CBs (,Nnamdi ) in the NFL that for some reason came here and played terrible.
Listen, I'm not sticking up for Roseman. I could care less. I don't know enough about him to care.
But most of the moves he made that we are aware of on the surface APPEARED to be pretty good moves and SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO GREAT MOVES,
Sure, having the year or 2 after the move to judge it makes us moron fans look brilliant. But that's not how the world works.
I said it before, but if all my business moves that seemed to be great moves at the time worked out I would have been able to retire 10 years earlier then I did. Or if I would have known that all those decisions I made weren't going to work even though they appeared to look like great moves and I didn't make them I would have retired 10 years earlier.

Second guessing high risk moves that failed is 1 thing. But second guessing moves that almost everyone agreed seemed smart easy decisions is just flat out stupid.
Sorry. But it just is. And it's unfair.
The easiest thing in this world to do is look back on what was done in life and tell the world what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. Hell my dog would look like a genius also just like all you wonderful HINDSIGHT fans.

[Rob1968]

biglou22, on 26 December 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Here is the big difference in BAD MOVES and GOOD MOVES THAT ENDED UP BEING BAD MOVES.

BAD MOVES = drafting a player like J.Russell 1st overall when EVERYTHING about that player said he LIKELY couldn't play in the NFL.
GOOD MOVE THAT TURNED OUT BAD = signing 1 of the best CBs (,Nnamdi ) in the NFL that for some reason came here and played terrible.
Listen, I'm not sticking up for Roseman. I could care less. I don't know enough about him to care.
But most of the moves he made that we are aware of on the surface APPEARED to be pretty good moves and SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO GREAT MOVES,
Sure, having the year or 2 after the move to judge it makes us moron fans look brilliant. But that's not how the world works.
I said it before, but if all my business moves that seemed to be great moves at the time worked out I would have been able to retire 10 years earlier then I did. Or if I would have known that all those decisions I made weren't going to work even though they appeared to look like great moves and I didn't make them I would have retired 10 years earlier.

Second guessing high risk moves that failed is 1 thing. But second guessing moves that almost everyone agreed seemed smart easy decisions is just flat out stupid.
Sorry. But it just is. And it's unfair.
The easiest thing in this world to do is look back on what was done in life and tell the world what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. Hell my dog would look like a genius also just like all you wonderful HINDSIGHT fans.

So he signed Namdi, and it blew up in their face, and then they let Samuel go - while not a great tackler at least he could play the position, unlike the 2 CB's that were brought in Under Howies watch.  I dont watch film and i dont know how Namdi got his rep.  Howie should have.  The national media said he was great, they also said we would rue the day we let mcnabb go, and that Reid shoudlnt be fired.  So if I'm a GM i need to know what i'm doing and not listen to everyone else when it comes to being a good player.  If that is the case anyone could be a GM. Roseman has yet to add anyone to this team thats a true difference maker and would be called a great pickup.

[McNabb2Jackson7]

Colt Anderson... Whoopty Doo. Is this supposed to be impressive?

[CountBlah]

9thPassyunk, on 23 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

Howie needs to go plain and simple. The excuse that Andy had full control is not a valid one. Roseman was integrally involved with the evaluation process of putting this roster together.

If he was not, and all he was/is a Milquetoast lackey that does as he's told all of these years, would you want that person now having total control? I do not.

I would like to see a strong coach come in here who WANTS full control. Not someone who is subordinate to Howie Roseman who never played or participated in a Team environment and has no clue what it takes to develop the chemistry of a Championship team or lockerroom.

simple sound logic like this clearly show the flaws in the pro-Howie thinking.  His influence had to be all over ever pick.  If Howie said Watkins stunk on ice,  he would not have been picked,  it's pretty simple.  People somehow think that Andy picked all these players himself with zero Howie input,  it's insane.