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#1 Jason1978

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:07 AM

Russell Wilson has been overlooked pretty much his entire life. He was too small to be a NFL starter, he was drafted in round 3. So far this kid has overcame everything thrown at him and is having the BEST season ever for a rookie QB. How Luck is even in the coversation as best rookie is beyond me when you look at his numbers. How can you be rookie of the year but have the worst comp % in the NFL? He has however thrown a ton setting a rookie record for passing yards breaking Sam Bradford's record, which really was a forgettable one because he threw a ton on a bad team.

Currently Wilson's 28 total TD is a 2nd all time at ANY POSITION.. Of course RGIII and Luck both have 26 total td too placing them tied for second and also passing the other mentioned HOF rookies HOWEVER Wilson is also 1td pass shy of tying Peyton for most passing td as a rookie, records neither RGIII or Luck can likely break unless they have 5-6 td passes in the final game.


Wilson's numbers compaired to the two rookie QB ahead of him in the ROY debate.

Wilson.
- 3rd rd pick
- 10-5 record
- 28 total TD (2nd behind Cam Newton's 35 total td)
- 25 passing TD (one td shy of Peyton's ROOKIE RECORD 26td, 7th currently in NFL)
- 98.0 QB rating (6th currently in NFL)
- 63.4 comp % (9th currently in NFL)
- 10 int, 5 fumbles/3 lost
- 237 pass completions
- 374 pass attempts
- 2868 passing yards, 191.2 ypg
- 431 rushing yards on 84 attempts
- sacked 27 times
- led team to consecutive 50 + point wins, most in NFL in over 50 years
- Teams beat: Dal (8-7), GB (12-3), Car (6-9), NE (12-3), Min (9-6), NYJ (6-9), Chi (9-6), Ari (5-10), Buf (5-10), SF (10-4-1): combined w/l total: 82-67-1

RGIII
- 1st rd pick
- 9-6 record
- 26 total td
- 20 passing td
-104.1 QB rating (current ROOKIE RECORD, Big Ben had with 98.1, 3rd currently in NFL)
- 66,1 comp % (Big Ben holds ROOKIE RECORD at 66.4, 5th currently in NFL)
- 5int, 11 fumbles/3 lost
- 249 pass completions
- 375 pass attempts
- 3100 passing yards, 222.4 ypg
- 752 rushing yards on 114 attempts
- sacked 29 times
- Youngest player in NFL history with a perfect passer rating in a game
- Teams beat::N.O, (7-8), TB (6-9), Min (9-6), Phi (4-11), Dal (8-7), NYG (8-7), Bal (10-5), Cle (5-10), Phi (4-11), combined w/l total: 61-75

Luck
- 1st rd pick
- 10-5
- 26 total td
- 21 passing td
- 75.6 QB rating (29th currently in the NFL)
- 54.3 comp % (32nd and WORST currently in NFL)
- 18int, 10 fumbles/5 lost
- 325 pass completions
- 599 pass attempts (ROOKIE RECORD, beat Sam Bradford's total of 590)
- 4183 passing yards (ROOKIE RECORD, broke Cam Newton's record, 7th currently in NFL)
- 254 rushing yards on 57 attempts
- sacked 40 times
- ROOKIE RECORD for most passing yards in a game with 433
- Teams Beat: Min (9-6), GB (12-3), Cle (5-10), Ten (5-10), Mia (7-8), Jax (2-13), Buf (5-10), Det (4-11), Ten (5-10), KC (2-13), combined w/l total: 56-94


Each player looks like they will walk away with a rookie record. Luck has the passing yards record, RGIII looks to have the QB rating and maybe comp % record while Wilson will have most TD passes. Wilson however has faced far tougher competition. Who exactally has RGIII or Luck beat when the records of their oppnents is under .500? RGIII is likely a LOCK to win the ROY and Luck will likely finish second but Wilson in the end might get the last laugh because of how dominant his team has played the past few weeks and has knocked off three legit SB favorites in the Packers, Patriots and 49ers.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:34 AM

The Seahawks are a better team than Indy or the Deadskins.
Bobby G runs a college or elite high school football offense. The Deadskins defense is medicro at best. Their WRs are pretty good when healthy and they have a very good back field.
The Seahawks have a very good if not great defense. The have very good WR and one of the best backs in the league. Plus, no beats them at home!
The Colts won one game last year. Lost most of their big weapons on offense and their defense just stunk. This year the Defense isnt that great. Luck doesn't have a good RB like the other two teams and only really has an aging Reggie Wayne to throw the ball to.
Wilson has a better record with beating winning teams than the other two. I think Wilson is better than Bobby G, he can run a Pro offense. Plus, he is a third round pick playing at the level he is at. But I think Luck has done more with less.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:46 AM

Rg3 play in the nfc east....nuff said....the best division in football.....seattle is 3-5 on the road.....shows you they are ineffective on the road.....

and please stop bringing up luck....the race is between rg3 and wilson

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:58 AM

Rg3 play in the nfc east....nuff said....the best division in football.....seattle is 3-5 on the road.....shows you they are ineffective on the road.....


Best division....FAR FROM IT right now. NYG look awful, Dallas choked yesterday. RGIII and the Skins haven't beaten anyone and almost were embarassed by the Eagles yesterday, who they struggled with. All three might end up 9-7 with a 9-7 division winner. How is that the best when a year or two ago that was the NFC West and the worst in the NFL?. NFC West has the best w/l record right now.

win/loss records for each division

NFC East: 29-31
NFC North: 33-27
NFC South: 32-28
NFC West: 32-26-2

AFC East: 29-32
AFC North: 31-29
AFC South: 29-31
AFC West: 24-36

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:04 AM

I absolutely loved Russell Wilson coming out. I thought he was a shorter, more athletic Drew Brees. If you watched him at Wisconsin he clearly had 1st round talent but fell just because of his height...the biggest joke in the NFL. It was the same reason London Fletcher went undrafted, they told him he was too small.

I watched the Senior Bowl just to see Wilson and was hoping the skins would draft him. Needless to say, im very happy they got RG3 though. Wilson definitely deserves some votes but the hype of Luck/RG3 is just too much. One of those 2 will win it.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:06 AM

Wilson deserves it more than RGIII, but not Luck

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:08 AM

Best division....FAR FROM IT right now. NYG look awful, Dallas choked yesterday. RGIII and the Skins haven't beaten anyone and almost were embarassed by the Eagles yesterday, who they struggled with. All three might end up 9-7 with a 9-7 division winner. How is that the best when a year or two ago that was the NFC West and the worst in the NFL?. NFC West has the best w/l record right now.

win/loss records for each division

NFC East: 29-31
NFC North: 33-27
NFC South: 32-28
NFC West: 32-26-2

AFC East: 29-32
AFC North: 31-29
AFC South: 29-31
AFC West: 24-36


Yea russell wilson also lost to these teams on the road: arizona, st louis, detroit, miami

To be good you have to win on the road....Rg3 won on the road in new orleans....where the saints were unbeaten last year.....skins are 5-3 on the road this season

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:13 AM

Luck is in the discussion because the Colts tanked last year.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:15 AM

The Seahawks are a better team than Indy or the Deadskins.
Bobby G runs a college or elite high school football offense. The Deadskins defense is medicro at best. Their WRs are pretty good when healthy and they have a very good back field.

The Seahawks have a very good if not great defense. The have very good WR and one of the best backs in the league. Plus, no beats them at home!
The Colts won one game last year. Lost most of their big weapons on offense and their defense just stunk. This year the Defense isnt that great. Luck doesn't have a good RB like the other two teams and only really has an aging Reggie Wayne to throw the ball to.

Wilson has a better record with beating winning teams than the other two. I think Wilson is better than Bobby G, he can run a Pro offense. Plus, he is a third round pick playing at the level he is at. But I think Luck has done more with less.


Redskins and Seahawks are 1 and 2 in rushing yards this season but RGIII has the better weapons to throw to. Wilson's best weapon, Sidney Rice, who has been a BUST so far with one good season back in 09, has under 800 yards. Then you have Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin. He is setting/breaking rookie TD records with a average group of weapons. I'd easily take Reggie Wayne over them. Also remember that Luck and RGIII were pretty much the starters the day they were drafted. Wilson had to beat Matt Flynn...another obsticle he overcame.

Luck plays on the least talented team with by far one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Indy making the playoffs, winning 10 is a surprise after last season but Andrew Luck reguardless of his flaws is better than the crap they had at QB last year however would they even be near the playoffs if they had the Seahawks scehdule...which was one of the toughest. SF, Chi, GB, Min...ALL have top 10 defenses and Seattle beat them. They just destroyed the second best D in the NFL last night with Wilson throwing 4td passes to a average group of weapons. .

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

Luck is in the discussion because the Colts tanked last year.


did you see the colts schedule? haha....its a joke....when they play real team they sucked

Redskins and Seahawks are 1 and 2 in rushing yards this season but RGIII has the better weapons to throw to. Wilson's best weapon, Sidney Rice, who has been a BUST so far with one good season back in 09, has under 800 yards. Then you have Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin. He is setting/breaking rookie TD records with a average group of weapons. I'd easily take Reggie Wayne over them. Also remember that Luck and RGIII were pretty much the starters the day they were drafted. Wilson had to beat Matt Flynn...another obsticle he overcame.

Luck plays on the least talented team with by far one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Indy making the playoffs, winning 10 is a surprise after last season but Andrew Luck reguardless of his flaws is better than the crap they had at QB last year however would they even be near the playoffs if they had the Seahawks scehdule...which was one of the toughest. SF, Chi, GB, Min...ALL have top 10 defenses and Seattle beat them. They just destroyed the second best D in the NFL last night with Wilson throwing 4td passes to a average group of weapons. .


jason how about seattle's play outside of seattle....you seem to ignore that....that is why nobody see them as a serious threat in the playoffs....they are not good away from seattle

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

I absolutely loved Russell Wilson coming out. I thought he was a shorter, more athletic Drew Brees. If you watched him at Wisconsin he clearly had 1st round talent but fell just because of his height...the biggest joke in the NFL. It was the same reason London Fletcher went undrafted, they told him he was too small.

I watched the Senior Bowl just to see Wilson and was hoping the skins would draft him. Needless to say, im very happy they got RG3 though. Wilson definitely deserves some votes but the hype of Luck/RG3 is just too much. One of those 2 will win it.


That's the problem...hype is involved too much. Same goes for the Heisman in college. Of course 1 win to 10 is pretty damn amazing but Luck was always said to be one the most NFL ready QB ever. Given their cakewalk schedule over bad teams and how they were destroyed by teams like NE and Houston that also says alot. Wilson has risen to the occasion and beaten the great teams, Luck hasn't.

Wilson's resume speaks for itself. More td than either RGIII/Luck, similar comp %/QB rating to RGIII, more wins than RGIII and same as Luck but with a far tougher schedule than RGIII/Luck. The mere fact that Wilson is on the verge of tying/breaking Peyton's rookie TD total and currently holds most TD scored for a rookie should make him the favorite.

I think Seattle is a far more legit SB contender than Indy or Washington so who knows...he might get the last laugh and end up in or winning the SB. Seattle right now is that good. I'd take them over Atlanta, who has a history of playoff chokes with Matt Ryan and we know they can beat GB and SF. It's too bad Seattle cant get a bye and homefield. They would easily be the favorite. Their road record is however a concern.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

This is more of a national media award, so RG3 will win it hands down. Personally I'd vote for Luck over him, but that's just my opinion.

Also what Wilson has been doing of late is nothing short of awesome. Their offense is hitting on all cylinders and it's mainly because of him.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

In Order:

1. Luck - 1-15 to 10-5 and Playoff Team...doesn't get any better than that
2. Wilson
3. RGIII

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

This is more of a national media award, so RG3 will win it hands down. Personally I'd vote for Luck over him, but that's just my opinion.

Also what Wilson has been doing of late is nothing short of awesome. Their offense is hitting on all cylinders and it's mainly because of him.


Luck shouldnt be in the discussion at all....apart from yards thrown and colts weak schedule...thats why indy is 10-5.....luck completed 48.6% of his passes against a lowly kc chiefs team....that his 4 straight less than 50% completion game

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

Rg3 play in the nfc east....nuff said....the best division in football.....seattle is 3-5 on the road.....shows you they are ineffective on the road.....

:roll:

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:35 AM

did you see the colts schedule? haha....its a joke....when they play real team they sucked



jason how about seattle's play outside of seattle....you seem to ignore that....that is why nobody see them as a serious threat in the playoffs....they are not good away from seattle


I just mentioned it and it might be a concern.however they haven't lost a road game in a month. 2-0 in December and one was at Solider Field. If they win out they should at least host a WC game. They also look like a far different team now than they did a month ago. In the month of Dec they have outscored their four opponentsm two of which were playoff contenders Chi and SF, 173-37.

Also if you look at their entire record and the road losses...Seattle could EASILY be undefeated right now. Their biggest loss all season was by just 4 points and that was week 1 at Arizona...who then had a brutal defense and was seen as a darkhorse SB favorite lol. Man that seems so long ago when Arizona was being overhyped.

And consider Seattle might have a lousy road record but Atlanta has been unstoppable at home since Matt Ryan took over but choke in the playoffs at home. Anything is possible when you are playing as hot as Seattle is. NYG proved that last year and home field and bye means nothing.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

Any year other then this season I would agree with you. The problem is RG3 is setting records as a rookie and so is Andrew Luck.

As another poster mentioned the Seahawks had a decent team that had a chance to make the playoffs this season. RG3 and Luck have taken teams that were HORRIBLE last year and were suppose to be just as bad this season and made them playoffs teams. RG3 will give the Redskins the NFC East division crown. Thats something that team hasnt done since the 1999 season.

I would give the Award to RG3 right now, and if he beats Dallas next weekend in Washington and gives them the divisional crown I gotta lean on him even more IMO

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:51 AM

In Order:

1. Luck - 1-15 to 10-5 and Playoff Team...doesn't get any better than that
2. Wilson
3. RGIII


Yeah but Andrew Luck plays on a TEAM. His completion % is pathetic.

Comp % for players with 500+ pass attempts:

Matt Ryan - 69.0%
Peyton Manning - 68.1%
Aaron Rodgers - 67.0%
Tony Romo - 66.3%
Matt Schaub - 64.2%
Philip Rivers - 63.7%
Tom Brady - 63.1
Drew Brees - 62.7%
Andy Dalton - 62.2%
Carson Palmer - 61.1%
Matthew Stafford - 60.1 (has most pass attmpts with 685)
Joe Flacco - 59.8%
Eli Manning - 59.8%
Sam Bradford - 59.5%
Brandon Weedon - 57.4%
Josh Freeman - 54.9%
Andrew Luck - 54.3%

Brandon Weedon has six less td passes, same number of int, thrown over 500 passes like Luck has and has better QB rating and comp%, ROY and MVP are individual accomplishment awards not team awards. The record does factor in and sometimes too much because winning and losing are team efforts/accomplishments. It's not a one on one game. That's the problem. How is it that Luck as those numbers yet....

Carson Palmer: 85.5 QB rating, 61.1%, 4018 yards, 22td, 14int is somehow finished and sucks? Palmer has actually had a solid season. His team on the otherhand sucks.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

Luck is in the discussion because the Colts tanked last year.

No head coach - Shanahan and Carroll both are the leaders of their respective ball clubs. The whole Chuck Pagano thing has forced Luck into a pretty large leadership role.
No running game - Much of what Wilson and RG3 have generated in terms of big plays come off of play action. Luck doesn't have the same ability to draw the safeties in.
2-14 last year - Can't deny it. The key player added was Luck. He took a 2 win team and turned them into a 10+ one. The same way people were saying Peyton is so valuable you have to use that logic to say Luck is really that good.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:14 PM

Any year other then this season I would agree with you. The problem is RG3 is setting records as a rookie and so is Andrew Luck.


Russell Wilson is going to set records too. Anytime a QB passes Peyton Manning on any list is pretty impressive. Wilson did it once in total td by a rookie and could easily pass Manning's td pass total. .


Here are the rookie record lists and where Wilson, Luck and RGIII currently stand with one game left:

Most TD scored in a single season by a rookie
1. Cam Newton - 35 (2011)
2. Russell Wilson - 28 (2012)
3. Peyton Manning - 26 (1998)
3, Robert Griffin III - 26 (2012)
3. Andrew Luck - 26 (2012)
4. Gayle Sayers - 22 (1965)
5. Eric Dickerson - 20 (1983)
6. Randy Moss - 17 (1998)

Most passing TD in a single season by a rookie
1. Peyton Manning - 26 (1998)
2. Russell Wilson - 25 (2012)
3. Charlie Conerly - 22 (1948)
4. Cam Newton - 21 (2011)
4. Andrew Luck - 21 (2012)
5. Andy Dalton - 20 (2011)
5. Robert Griffin III - 20 (2012)

Most pass attempts in a single season by a rookie:
1. Andrew Luck - 599 (2012)
2. Sam Bradford - 590 (2010)

Most passing yards in a single season by a rookie
1. Andrew Luck - 4183 yards (2012)
2. Cam Newton - 4051 yards (2011)

Most total yards in a single season by a rookie
1. Cam Newton - 4784 (2012)
2. Andrew Luck - 4437 (2011)

Most passing yards in a single game by a rookie
1. Andrew Luck - 450 (2012)
2. Cam Newton - 433 (2011)

Best QB rating in a single season by a rookie
1. Robert Griffin III - 104.1 (2012)
2. Ben Roethisberger - 98.1 (2004)

Best comp % in a single season by a rookie
1. Ben Roethlisberger - 66.4% (2004)
2. Robert Griffin III - 66.1% (2012)

Most QB rushing yards in a single season by a rookie
1. Robert Griffin III - 752 (2012)
2. Cam Newton - 706 (2011)


Charlie Conerly held the rookie td record from 1948-1998. Peyton Manning, one of the top 10 greatest ever broke it. Now Russell Wilson is 2 td away from holding that record. To me that's way more impressive than Luck breaking Sam Bradford's passing yards record or RGIII breaking Big Ben's QB rating or comp % record. Neither Luck or RGIII broke long standing records. I think Wilson could shatter the passing td record when he faces the Rams. If he can throw 4td vs. SF he should easily hold two of the best records for a rookie.

btw...Cam Newton and Andy Dalton last year made Pro Bowl history. Never before has two rookie QB been selected to a Pro Bowl. We very well could and should have two this year but how about three? Luck's numbers again aren't deserving but the Pro Bowl like MVP/ROY is a popularity contest.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:56 PM

The Seahawks are a better team than Indy or the Deadskins.
Bobby G runs a college or elite high school football offense. The Deadskins defense is medicro at best. Their WRs are pretty good when healthy and they have a very good back field.
The Seahawks have a very good if not great defense. The have very good WR and one of the best backs in the league. Plus, no beats them at home!
The Colts won one game last year. Lost most of their big weapons on offense and their defense just stunk. This year the Defense isnt that great. Luck doesn't have a good RB like the other two teams and only really has an aging Reggie Wayne to throw the ball to.
Wilson has a better record with beating winning teams than the other two. I think Wilson is better than Bobby G, he can run a Pro offense. Plus, he is a third round pick playing at the level he is at. But I think Luck has done more with less.


:roll: stop it Griffin is gonna kill us for years. "The reason Russell Wilson is ROY.... because he's not playing in our division for the next 10 years"

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

I would probably give it to Luck because Wilson has Lynch and Griffin has Morris. The Colts don't have a very good ground game. Plus, Luck hasn't had his HC there for most of the season. Plus, he has taken a 2 win team to the playoffs while trying to fill Manning's shoes. But, you really could make an argument for all 3 guys. It is almost a tie, but they will pick someone.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 03:33 PM

:roll: stop it Griffin is gonna kill us for years. "The reason Russell Wilson is ROY.... because he's not playing in our division for the next 10 years"


RGIII scares the hell out of me however if he continues to play reckless his career wont last long. Look at yesterday and how we got to him and stayed in the game with a bunch of backups.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

I would probably give it to Luck because Wilson has Lynch and Griffin has Morris. The Colts don't have a very good ground game. Plus, Luck hasn't had his HC there for most of the season. Plus, he has taken a 2 win team to the playoffs while trying to fill Manning's shoes. But, you really could make an argument for all 3 guys. It is almost a tie, but they will pick someone.


The same could be said for Griffin taking a 5 win team from worst to first (if they beat Dallas next week). 5-11 to 10-6 is very impressive, especially with our team lacking major talent on both sides of the ball.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

Russel Wilson will win it based on the last three games. Averaging 50pts per game in the last three games is pretty amazing. If either luck or rg3 did that they'd win it hands down.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:05 PM

Russel Wilson will win it based on the last three games. Averaging 50pts per game in the last three games is pretty amazing. If either luck or rg3 did that they'd win it hands down.


RG3 took an annually bottom of the barrel offense and turned it into a top 5 scoring unit. The Redskins had scored more points this year then they did in all of 2011 by like week 10.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:07 PM

Worst team in football to 10-5 in the playoffs with major talent lacking on both sides of the ball. Team was supposed to be in 'rebuild' and not contend for at least 3 years. Key win against Green Bay a while back. He has my vote!

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

RG3 took an annually bottom of the barrel offense and turned it into a top 5 scoring unit. The Redskins had scored more points this year then they did in all of 2011 by like week 10.


All three have had amazing seasons but in the last three games Wilson has out shined both of them.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

All three have had amazing seasons...but to break it down even further:

2-14 to 10-5 with 31st Ranked Defense...Vick Ballard, Reggie Wayne, Donnie Avery, TY Hilton

7-9 to 10-5 with 6th Ranked Defense....Marshawn Lynch, Sidney Rice, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin

5-11 to 9-6 with 29th Ranked Defense....Alfred Morris, Santana Moss, Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:00 AM

Worst team in football to 10-5 in the playoffs with major talent lacking on both sides of the ball. Team was supposed to be in 'rebuild' and not contend for at least 3 years. Key win against Green Bay a while back. He has my vote!


indy were a qb away from being good....if peyton manning was on that 2-14 team they will win 12 games ......shannanan had mcnabb, john beck, rex grossman to run his offense and they couldnt do it......rg3 came in and make the redskins a playoff team.