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[dave moss]

Dave,

Obviously there will probably be a new coach who wants to start his guy, but do you think Foles has done enough to deserve the starting spot at QB next season?

[PhillyPhan13]

I think he's done enough to to be in the competition for the starting QB job. I don't think he should just be given the starting job.

The problem is who else is going to be competing?

[Rome]

I think they need to sign a legit veteran to push him but he's looked competent enough to be a starter.   I honestly don't see how any quarterback can be fairly judged playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in team history, though.

If Lurie has a lick of sense the first thing he should insist on from Howie is a drastic upgrade in that department.  Sure, the secondary is awful too and needs to be addressed as well, but you cannot win in the NFL with a bad offensive line.  Mediocre skill position guys?  Sure.  A pedestrian defense?  Possible.   A horrible offensive line that has quarterbacks taking a beating or running for their lives on nearly every play?  Yeah.  Not so much.

[hyperswipe]

READ!
Grotz: Nick Foles has done well, but Eagles need elite QB

http://www.delcotime...wmode=fullstory

[zenclaybourne]

hyperswipe, on 25 December 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

READ!
Grotz: Nick Foles has done well, but Eagles need elite QB

http://www.delcotime...wmode=fullstory

http://igglesblitz.com/author/admin/ Grotz compared Foles to lesser QBs for no apparent reason and judged his entire career off of a six game stretch in his rookie year not allowing for any conversation about the crap around him. Grotz's article is not only not worth reading, it is the type of thing that should require a retraction to be printed. It isn't even worth the digital space it is occupying. It's a thread in the guise of an article. Or to describe it with just one word, pathetic.

[PhillyPhan13]

Spot on zen. With the exception of a few teams,  every team needs an elite QB. The writer makes it sound like they're available for picking like an apple from a tree.  

Plenty of teams have won the Superbowl without elite QBs. You need someone who doesn't turn the ball over; a game manager if you will. It can be done.

[CaliEagle]

Foles has done better in his first 6 starts than McNabb did in his first 6 starts and Vick in his first 6 starts. Plus, Foles has played pretty well behind an OL that has 4 out of 5 starters out.  If Wilson or RG3 had this OL, then I doubt they would've done as well as they have this year.   Grotz is criticizing Foles because he isn't a big name QB that sells a lot of jerseys and puts fannies in the seats.  But, if Foles gets a chance behind a good OL with a starting cast of players, then the team has a chance to win some games and winning is what puts people in the seats.

[ckudrick]

I want to see Foles in the mix but want him challenged as well (but not by Vick, who will hopefully be gone.)

[patpikunas]

The new Coach should start over.

Keep Foles here but look long and hard for franchise level talent @ QB and OLine.

[applestillskins]

Would like to see another Vet to come in a challenge Nick. Would like to see Trent get a shot too!

[DaveSpadaro]

I think he's done enough to deserve a spot at the head of the depth chart in the spring, but there should be absolutely no guarantees on a team that has won 4 games to date. I want positions challenged and I want players to raise the level of their performances. So, while I like a lot of what Nick has done, I want to see the Eagles make him and make the position better.

[Highboy]

If a QB establishes himself as an elite level talent between now and the draft I think the Eagles need to take no chances and pull the trigger in the first round on a QB. While some here think there is no such talent, QBs have a way of moving up their stock in a big way from the end of the season till the end of April. But for now, I see nothing out there available in the offseason saving for the above circumstance that would warrant not starting Foles.

[mjkvol]

Highboy, on 26 December 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

If a QB establishes himself as an elite level talent between now and the draft I think the Eagles need to take no chances and pull the trigger in the first round on a QB. While some here think there is no such talent, QBs have a way of moving up their stock in a big way from the end of the season till the end of April. But for now, I see nothing out there available in the offseason saving for the above circumstance that would warrant not starting Foles.

HB, keep an eye on Tyler Bray - obviously, I watched a bit of him this year, and while I do believe he could have used one more college season, this kid is huge (6'6"), has a big arm, and can make all the throws.      He needs to mature, but of the QB's I've seen coming out, he's the one guy I might look long and hard at taking a second round flyer on.

[badmeetsevil]

Rome, on 25 December 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

I think they need to sign a legit veteran to push him but he's looked competent enough to be a starter.   I honestly don't see how any quarterback can be fairly judged playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in team history, though.

If Lurie has a lick of sense the first thing he should insist on from Howie is a drastic upgrade in that department.  Sure, the secondary is awful too and needs to be addressed as well, but you cannot win in the NFL with a bad offensive line.  Mediocre skill position guys?  Sure.  A pedestrian defense?  Possible.   A horrible offensive line that has quarterbacks taking a beating or running for their lives on nearly every play?  Yeah.  Not so much.

Spot on. Improve the OLINE, commit to pounding the ball with McCoy, Brown, and maybe a 3rd back (Lewis?), and let Foles, Vick, or whoever they pick up in the draft to develop without the weight of the whole team on their shoulders.

I am actually more concerned on the defensive side of the ball. Lack of sacks, turnovers, physicality, and attitude is extremely concerning. Watching the SNF game between Seattle and San Francisco made me extremely envious of the players on both those defenses.

Don't know who is on the actual radar to be the next Eagles coach, and a part of me still thinks Reid will be back, but if they go with a defensive minded coach they should look to hire the DC from SF or Seattle.

[eaglepride]

CaliEagle, on 25 December 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Foles has done better in his first 6 starts than McNabb did in his first 6 starts and Vick in his first 6 starts. Plus, Foles has played pretty well behind an OL that has 4 out of 5 starters out.  If Wilson or RG3 had this OL, then I doubt they would've done as well as they have this year.   Grotz is criticizing Foles because he isn't a big name QB that sells a lot of jerseys and puts fannies in the seats.  But, if Foles gets a chance behind a good OL with a starting cast of players, then the team has a chance to win some games and winning is what puts people in the seats.

Agree and add that he only has one legit starting WR in Maclin available to him and no TEs and a RB who kept fumbling the ball when Shady was out due to injuries.

[Operator 7]

PhillyPhan13, on 25 December 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Spot on zen. With the exception of a few teams,  every team needs an elite QB. The writer makes it sound like they're available for picking like an apple from a tree.  

Plenty of teams have won the Superbowl without elite QBs. You need someone who doesn't turn the ball over; a game manager if you will. It can be done.

That was my though exactly -  where the F does one acquire one of these elite QBs?  99 cent store down the street??

If there aren't any top-choice QBs available in the draft, I say acquire a top OT, and see what Foles can do with a better line, and a new offensive scheme.

[Rome]

A basic gimmick free offense that smashes the defense's face in would be nice.  Teams pass.  It's part of the fabric of the game now.  But building an offensive line that can pass block at the expense of run-blocking is galactically stupid and I'm sick of watching it with these guys.

[mjkvol]

Operator 7, on 26 December 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

That was my though exactly -  where the F does one acquire one of these elite QBs?  99 cent store down the street??

If there aren't any top-choice QBs available in the draft, I say acquire a top OT, and see what Foles can do with a better line, and a sane offensive scheme.

Fixed.

[Operator 7]

lol

[james1345]

I think it would be best to bring in Matt Flynn to compete with Nick Foles for the starting job.