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[SweetlyMiixed]

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you?? I love hearing how scared they are of Vick starting. Just proves my point that other teams can't wait to play Foles because its a gauranteed win in their eyes.. How does everyone see it but you TATE posters?? foles can't win a damn game.. My goal is to see my team win. I don't give a **** who the quarterback is.

Here's a link to 1 of the threads:

http://boards.giants...&highlight=vick

[Plache]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you?? I love hearing how scared they are of Vick starting. Just proves my point that other teams can't wait to play Foles because its a gauranteed win in their eyes.. How does everyone see it but you TATE posters?? foles can't win a damn game.. My goal is to see my team win. I don't give a **** who the quarterback is.

And Vick was winning? I hope you asked Santa for a clue for Christmas.........

[FlyinBrian36-20]

I too would rather go up against a rookie like Rg3 or Tannenhill or Russel Wilson vs someone like Manning or Brees or Rogers or even Rapistberger for that matter. Something about facing a rookie who can make 'rookie' mistakes is more calming. So yea no doubt Vick still presents a temporary threat.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE ...

Link?

[zenclaybourne]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you??

That these fans are remembering only the games Vick has played against them and have not actually seen Foles play. Vick's best game by far this year was against the giants and they only got to see him once last year, so in their minds Vick is only two games removed from the miracle at the meadowlands incident. They don't realize how far he has fallen. With that said, I expect Vick will come out with his best game now that he has to prove himself again.

FlyinBrian36-20, on 25 December 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

I too would rather go up against a rookie like Rg3 or Tannenhill or Russel Wilson vs someone like Manning or Brees or Rogers or even Rapistberger for that matter. Something about facing a rookie who can make 'rookie' mistakes is more calming. So yea no doubt Vick still presents a temporary threat.

Except Vick had been making rookie mistakes for most of the year.

[jonnyeagles12]

Ridiculous post. Giants fans are obviously going to be upset, look at how well Vick has played against them the last few times? He's only real good game this year was against them!

If we were playing the Browns or the Bucs this week. I'm sure their fan board would be elated that Vick was playing because Vick almost single handedly gave the Browns a win with 4 interceptions and Foles killed the Bucs.

So this post is irrelevant.

[HarborTheClay]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you?? I love hearing how scared they are of Vick starting. Just proves my point that other teams can't wait to play Foles because its a gauranteed win in their eyes.. How does everyone see it but you TATE posters?? foles can't win a damn game.. My goal is to see my team win. I don't give a **** who the quarterback is.

Doesn't tell me anything. Giants fans are a whiney bunch for a group that's been blessed with a few super bowls lately.

I agree with the other posters here. He gives the temporary scare as he has the potential to go off for one game. But we've seen the long term Vick and it's not a consistent winning solution.

[RastaPasta]

Since Vick beat the Giants, we've won exactly one game and Foles won it. Both QBs have been losers.

[McNabbIsGone]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you??

It tells me that the Giants fans on that board are as dumb & uninformed as you are.

[McNabbIsGone]

RastaPasta, on 25 December 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Since Vick beat the Giants, we've won exactly one game and Foles won it.

And the other 2 wins against the Ravens & Browns could easily have been losses as well. Then what do the Vick  SLOBBERERS  say??

[LaxPlayerX3]

I'm sure that they're so intimidated by the whopping like what...17 points we scored when we faced them?

[blindside]

OMFG! WTF? STFU! SMH... LMFAO @ BS..

[97is]

I'm constantly surprised how dumb most eagles fans are. Foles is a back up at best. I would rather have Kolb starting

[Bdawk330]

97is, on 25 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

I'm constantly surprised how dumb most eagles fans are.

Oh the irony in this post. Oh the irony.

[Plache]

97is, on 25 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

I'm constantly surprised how dumb most eagles fans are. Foles is a back up at best. I would rather have Kolb starting

You just hate Foles because he took Vick's place.......Kolb is horrible and has never shown improvement from one game or season to the next - Foles?  You seriously can't say that.  Foles may not be the next Tom Brady, but he sure as hell is a better QB than anything on the Cardinals roster.  Fact.

[aspiritfall]

Audit2, on 25 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

He would definitely be an improvement over Mr. Checkdown.

Ill take a completed checkdown over a ball thrown off vicks back foot into double coverage that gets intercepted. .. moron!

[EagleArcher20]

Whether you are a Vick supporter or not, you have to agree that Vick is one of the most dangerous QBs in the game WHEN he is on. Unfortunately for the Giants, Vick tends to show up and be on his game when playing them.

I think with a better OL, Vick can still be successful. However, with a new HC and scheme next year Vick will probably regress. Vick is apparently not too bright and will probably struggle to pick up a new scheme right away.

[joespadaro]

Just proves once again Giants fans are the dumbest fans in all of sports.

[L.E.]

Audit2, on 25 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

He would definitely be an improvement over Mr. Checkdown.

Right, like Kolb wasn't Mr Checkdown as well with his 27 step drops.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

They should be crying either way. Their team has played like ish for the last 5 weeks. We probably would beat them if Edwards started.

[SirReal]

EagleArcher20, on 25 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Whether you are a Vick supporter or not, you have to agree that Vick is one of the most dangerous QBs in the game WHEN he is on. Unfortunately for the Giants, Vick tends to show up and be on his game when playing them.

I think with a better OL, Vick can still be successful. However, with a new HC and scheme next year Vick will probably regress. Vick is apparently not too bright and will probably struggle to pick up a new scheme right away.

This is correct. And more: There are always certain teams that always seem to be able to beat certain other teams, no matter how good or bad those teams are. The Giant have proven that they can beat Patriots teams that would be considered superior. The Bears beat us when they shouldn't.

And the Eagles seem to have the Giants' number lately. The Giants are right to be worried about the Eagles, no matter who is QB. We are dangerous to them.

[odin8888]

I call bullish!! LOL  Giants dont have a chance at the playoffs, neither do the eagles... This is only a last chance to showcase anything vick can do since about 7 teams will be looking to change quarterbacks..

The one thing we dont want to do is win and lose the 3rd pick in the draft for a truly meaningless game. Last week was different because we could effect the playoffs, this week nothing but lose draft position...


This is a business decision and oppoortunity to get something for vick in a trade instead of release

[greenpassion]

vick is gonna be like randall where he goes and has a good couple of years near the end. he has alot of haters here but i think vick has certainly improved as a passer since hes been here. he even cleaned up his turnover issues the last few games he was in there but it was just a lost cause with reid and marty running things

[MD Eagles Fan]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 25 December 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

They should be crying either way. Their team has played like ish for the last 5 weeks. We probably would beat them if Edwards started.

Yeah, the Giants have been playing like one of the worst teams in football

[MD Eagles Fan]

Well the Giants did lose to Vince Young so not out of the realm that the Vick led Eagles can beat them

[EagleDomination]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you?? I love hearing how scared they are of Vick starting. Just proves my point that other teams can't wait to play Foles because its a gauranteed win in their eyes.. How does everyone see it but you TATE posters?? foles can't win a damn game.. My goal is to see my team win. I don't give a **** who the quarterback is.

I was very impressed with Foles urgency and performance in 2 min or less whether it be in the end of the 2nd or 4th quarter.

[William Rudy]

Audit2, on 25 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

He would definitely be an improvement over Mr. Checkdown.

McNabb made a career out of checkdowns to Westbrook and padded his yardage stats with Westbrook carrying tghe ball after a short dink and dunk completion so what is your point?  Donny should have given Westbrook half of his salary for padding his stats.

[McNabbIsGone]

EagleArcher20, on 25 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Whether you are a Vick supporter or not, you have to agree that Vick is one of the most dangerous QBs in the game

Yes. Unfortunately he's more dangerous to his own team than he is to the opposition.

EagleArcher20, on 25 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

I think with a better OL, Vick can still be successful. However, with a new HC and scheme next year Vick will probably regress. Vick is apparently not too bright and will probably struggle to pick up a new scheme right away.

Vick is never gonna make it to to the new HC. He's due a $3 mil. salary bonus in a few weeks & $13 mil. + for next season. Do you think for one Philly moment Jeff Lurie is gonna pay him that? Given what we saw this year? If you do you're crazy and I'm never gonna read anything you have to say again.

[Phila.:chip]

SweetlyMiixed, on 25 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just went to the Giants message board to check out their opinions about Sundays game.. Looks like their already calling it a LOSE since Vick is starting. They were all hoping for Foles for an easy win. What does that tell you?? I love hearing how scared they are of Vick starting. Just proves my point that other teams can't wait to play Foles because its a gauranteed win in their eyes.. How does everyone see it but you TATE posters?? foles can't win a damn game.. My goal is to see my team win. I don't give a **** who the quarterback is.

The hate is just blinding them. It's his past. That's why they don't like him. That's why Foles has such a high football IQ and a strong arm that doesn't show up on the field.

[Plache]

Audit2, on 25 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

He would definitely be an improvement over Mr. Checkdown.

From Ray Diddy (whom I assure you, has forgotten more about the Eagles and football in general than you ever well) to you:

http://www.csnphilly...6947&feedID=704

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Nick Foles' rookie season ended Sunday against Washington. It ended at the Redskins' five-yard line with a hurried pass, a penalty flag and a 10-second run-off that brought down the curtain on a 27-20 Eagles loss.

Foles played the second half with what was later found to be a broken bone in his right hand. That probably explains why he underthrew the wide-open Jeremy Maclin on the final drive. It is not easy to grip the football with a broken hand.

So we have seven games – six starts, one relief appearance – to evaluate the rookie quarterback. I’d give him a C-plus. I know he managed only one win but it was most impressive, leading two touchdown drives in the final four minutes to defeat Tampa Bay, 23-21.

Foles completed 161 of 265 pass attempts (61 percent) and after a rocky first start in Washington, he improved quite a bit. He finished with six touchdown passes and five interceptions and also ran for one touchdown.

He won’t steal any rookie of the year votes from Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, but Foles played pretty well considering he was working behind a patchwork line and he did not have DeSean Jackson or LeSean McCoy much of the time.

He made his share of rookie mistakes, including the final play against the Redskins. He should have thrown the ball away sooner. When he saw he didn’t have a play, he should have just thrown it out of the end zone. He had a chance to do that with five seconds still on the clock. Instead, he tried to extend the play and wound up throwing a desperate (and illegal) forward pass that ended the game.

Overall, though, Foles showed enough promise to give the Eagles some encouragement as they look ahead to 2013. They may have to start over at some positions – the defensive secondary, for example – but it appears they have something to work with at quarterback.

Sunday’s game was particularly interesting because it was the first time Foles had a chance to start against the same team twice. He had a better feel for the Washington defense but the Redskins had a better read on him, too. They had a better read on the Eagles' offense as a whole.

In reviewing the tape, NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger and former Eagles star Brian Westbrook pointed out how the Redskins seemed to know what the Eagles were going to run. The offense is very predictable and that makes it even harder for a rookie quarterback.

For example ...

On a 3rd-and-11, the Eagles called a bubble screen to Damaris Johnson. The Redskins saw it all the way. It was so predictable that even a rookie, cornerback Richard Crawford, came up to press the receiver. Foles pulled the ball down and fell forward for one yard, barely avoiding a sack.

Just before halftime the Eagles were at the Redskins' 20. The call was a screen pass to McCoy. Again the Redskins anticipated the call but what made matters worse was the Eagles' blocking scheme. Instead of having tackle King Dunlap block the end, Lorenzo Alexander, they had McCoy block Alexander while Dunlap blocked inside.

The whole point of the play was to get Alexander up the field and McCoy behind him to catch the pass. The only way that could happen was if Dunlap set up to block Alexander and the end took his normal rush. But once McCoy blocked Alexander, he didn’t have a chance to get to the flat. Foles had nowhere to go with the ball so he just threw it into the ground.

Another problem was the Eagles' inability or unwillingness to adjust their routes. Coming into the game, they had to know the Redskins were going to blitz. Washington defensive coordinator Jim Haslett was calling more blitzes during the team’s current winning streak so there was no reason to think he would change.

One way to counter the blitz is with hot routes: quick throws to receivers who cut their routes short so the quarterback can unload in a hurry. The Eagles did not do that nearly enough. There were too many vertical routes where receivers went downfield with no one adjusting to look for the quick throw.

On numerous plays, Foles saw the rush and was ready to throw the ball but none of his receivers were looking. Several of those plays resulted in sacks, including one in the first quarter in which tight end Brent Celek was open coming off the line. Foles saw him all the way. He wanted to throw the ball but Celek wasn’t looking. Linebacker Ryan Kerrigan got the sack on Foles.

“There are ways to protect a rookie quarterback,” Baldinger said. “The trouble is the Eagles ignore them. They don’t protect (Foles) with their scheme or their play-calling. You can talk about the line but that’s only part of it. The coaches have to take some of the blame, too.”

Baldinger pointed to what he felt was a turning point in the game.

The Eagles opened with a balanced attack. On the first drive, they had five running plays and six passes. Eleven total plays, 76 yards leading to a Foles to Maclin touchdown pass.

On their second possession, they started with four runs and three passes, a total of seven plays that gained 45 yards. They drove to the Redskins' 20. They were in the red zone with a chance to take a 14-0 lead. On second down, they ran one of those pass plays in which Foles did not have a hot receiver. Result: the Washington blitz got him for a big loss. That put the Eagles in a 3rd-and-15 hole so they had to pass. Foles was flushed out of the pocket and Kerrigan chased him down. He knocked the ball away, Crawford recovered it and the Redskins turned the fumble into a field goal that got them into the game.

From that point on, the Eagles' play-calling got more and more pass-heavy. Through the first 18 plays, the Eagles had nine runs, nine passes and gained 121 yards. They were in control of the game. After the second down play that resulted in a sack, the Eagles ran 52 more plays – 39 were passes, 13 were runs. It was a 3-to-1 pass to run ratio for the last three quarters.

"In Foles' first game against the Redskins, [the coaches] called 50 passes and they agreed it was too many,” Baldinger said. “Now they play the Redskins again and they call even more passes (56, including sacks and Foles scrambles). It’s like they never learn.”

NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger, former Eagles Pro Bowler Brian Westbrook and Ray Didinger break down the game film each week on “Eagles Extra” on Comcast Sports Net and The Comcast Network.

E-mail Ray Didinger at viewfromthehall@comcast.net