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[TheRealTruth]

Curious as to if he is worth anything on the market. I doubt it cause of his cap figure but Arizona or Jacksonville maybe desperate enough. I figure like a conditional 6th or 7th.

[bobbywizdum]

I'm not sure but we may get a compensatory pick by releasing him. The problem is to avoid paying him a huge bonus we would have to release him way before the trading period begins.

[jj42883]

i doubt anyone wants him enough to bother trading.  it's all but a given that he will be released.  someone will pick him up once he's a FA but i don't think he has any trade value.

[eglz1]

I seriously doubt it with his current contract.  He'd have to renegotiate which I'm sure he'll have to do anyway if he wants to be on a roster next year.

[HarborTheClay]

They know he'll be cut....why would they trade?

[BozoJoe]

bobbywizdum, on 28 December 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

I'm not sure but we may get a compensatory pick by releasing him. The problem is to avoid paying him a huge bonus we would have to release him way before the trading period begins.

Players who are released aren't eligible for compensatory picks.

[vic92353]

It depends on how he does in this last game. If he does well someone may think the Eagles will keep him and they may offer a deal.  I guess it will depend on this weekend.  And I think that is why Andy Reid is playing him.  Kinda like an interview/audition for any team that may want him.  And for the Haters,  Make any Sucks/Hatred remarks you want to because I said that.   F you.  

[eglz1]

vic92353, on 28 December 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

It depends on how he does in this last game. If he does well someone may think the Eagles will keep him and they may offer a deal.  I guess it will depend on this weekend.  And I think that is why Andy Reid is playing him.  Kinda like an interview/audition for any team that may want him.  And for the Haters,  Make any Sucks/Hatred remarks you want to because I said that.   F you.  

I think that's exactly what Andy is doing, giving him an audition against a team he has played very well against in the past.

[wussbasket]

i believe vick is supposed to receive a big chunk of guaranteed money a week after the super bowl. if the Eagles can't find a team willing to part with a late pick by then the Eagles will be forced to either renegotiate his contract very quickly or juts release him. the Eagles really dont have a lot of leverage in this deal. most teams realize that the Eagles are going to have to release him so they probably wont be willing to give up a pick. If the Eagles renegotiate his contract he may be easier to move him or he will stay here to compete for the starting position.

[odin8888]

If you keep him, you have to pay his HUGGGE contract salary... smart money says he will be released and best we can hope for is a compensatory pick

[bobbywizdum]

wussbasket, on 28 December 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

i believe vick is supposed to receive a big chunk of guaranteed money a week after the super bowl. if the Eagles can't find a team willing to part with a late pick by then the Eagles will be forced to either renegotiate his contract very quickly or juts release him. the Eagles really dont have a lot of leverage in this deal. most teams realize that the Eagles are going to have to release him so they probably wont be willing to give up a pick. If the Eagles renegotiate his contract he may be easier to move him or he will stay here to compete for the starting position.

i don't think that you can trade until the official start of free agency can you? In other words they would have to pay the bonus and then try to deal him which isn't going to happen.

[#99]

Vick is will not be traded, end of thread.

[WaitingForSomeday]

bobbywizdum, on 28 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

i don't think that you can trade until the official start of free agency can you? In other words they would have to pay the bonus and then try to deal him which isn't going to happen.

I don't know, paying $3M for a mid-to-late round pick?... rather have that money directed towards FA or giving Colt Anderson an extension, etc.

[Pegger]

To me Vick has probably a little less trade value than McNabb or Kolb did. Both were obviously not in our future, so teams could have waited it out.

Interesting side note is that this offseason will have a very poor group of FA QBs and the draft doesn't have the pure talent this past year did. If a team wants to solve their QB problem it might have to be through a trade. If going that route here's the options:

Alex Smith
Matt Flynn
?

The group starts getting pretty bad. After that it's names like Jimmy Clausen, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, etc...

Vick is better than that second group by a landslide. IMO he'd be wise to lower his contract that allows a trade to occur (like Samuel did this past offseason) that allows him to land in a spot where he's still a starter.

My guess is that the Eagles can get a 3rd for him. Not the bounty either McNabb or Kolb brought, but still a decent pick for someone who was going to get cut.

[WaitingForSomeday]

Pegger, on 28 December 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Vick is better than that second group by a landslide. IMO he'd be wise to lower his contract that allows a trade to occur (like Samuel did this past offseason) that allows him to land in a spot where he's still a starter.

My guess is that the Eagles can get a 3rd for him. Not the bounty either McNabb or Kolb brought, but still a decent pick for someone who was going to get cut.

I don't quite follow... as FA he could negotiate to be a starter with any team he likes.  The trade would benefit him two ways, $3M, and the fact that a team invested a pick in him.

[bobbywizdum]

Pegger, on 28 December 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

To me Vick has probably a little less trade value than McNabb or Kolb did. Both were obviously not in our future, so teams could have waited it out.

Interesting side note is that this offseason will have a very poor group of FA QBs and the draft doesn't have the pure talent this past year did. If a team wants to solve their QB problem it might have to be through a trade. If going that route here's the options:

Alex Smith
Matt Flynn
?

The group starts getting pretty bad. After that it's names like Jimmy Clausen, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, etc...

Vick is better than that second group by a landslide. IMO he'd be wise to lower his contract that allows a trade to occur (like Samuel did this past offseason) that allows him to land in a spot where he's still a starter.

My guess is that the Eagles can get a 3rd for him. Not the bounty either McNabb or Kolb brought, but still a decent pick for someone who was going to get cut.

i don't follow that perceived value at all. we got essientially a first round value for mcnabb who was coming off of a success career and 2009 campaign. Kolb was only 26 and obviously there were a couple of teams that thought he was worth giving up what we got for him. Vick will be 33 and is coming off back to back blah seasons. There is no future upside with him and his production this year was in the bottom 5th of the league. How does that equate to slightly less trade value than mcnabb and kolb?

[wussbasket]

bobbywizdum, on 28 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

i don't think that you can trade until the official start of free agency can you? In other words they would have to pay the bonus and then try to deal him which isn't going to happen.

i think your right, i didnt consider that. regardless vick has to be paid or cut a week after the super bowl and its looking more and more like he's going to get the ax.

i think pegger is trying to say since there isnt much out there teams may be a little more desperate to make a move?

[bobbywizdum]

wussbasket, on 28 December 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

i think your right, i didnt consider that. regardless vick has to be paid or cut a week after the super bowl and its looking more and more like he's going to get the ax.

i think pegger is trying to say since there isnt much out there teams may be a little more desperate to make a move?

ya im not sure if that's accurate or not but if it is then i can't see why we would issue out a bonus on a player to potentially add a mid to late round draft pick at best.

[NWMontana]

<sup>Yes he has trade value.   I believe a swap will take place. Example: Jets 2nd, for Mike and our third.

Its a win win for both involved....  We get 2 seconds. Win.     NY gets a Qb and only moves down 16-17 spots..... Win</sup>

[Pegger]

bobbywizdum, on 28 December 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

i don't follow that perceived value at all. we got essientially a first round value for mcnabb who was coming off of a success career and 2009 campaign. Kolb was only 26 and obviously there were a couple of teams that thought he was worth giving up what we got for him. Vick will be 33 and is coming off back to back blah seasons. There is no future upside with him and his production this year was in the bottom 5th of the league. How does that equate to slightly less trade value than mcnabb and kolb?

For McNabb we got a 2nd that year and a 3rd the next year. Essentially picks loose about a round if they are next year so for when we traded McNabb it was like we got a 2nd and a 4th in that year (not a first round value). When McNabb was traded he would be 34 the next season and was coming off of 3 straight seasons of being injured.

for Kolb we just resigned Vick to a starter contract and it was his last year under contract. Kolb had to go and every team knew it. The Cards may have overpaid a bit because they needed to get a QB to secure Fitz to a long term deal, but they would probably do the same for a more established QB like Vick.

As for Vicks long term potential it's not great but it's relative to what's available in the market. There's no clear better choice out there (providing the Ravens franchise Flacco). One thing you should also factor in whatever team Vick goes to next year will almost immediately get another $5-10M in jersey sales. I know from a football point of view they might not be much better, but GMs do think of that stuff. That's essentially why Tebow will be a Jag next year.

[bobbywizdum]

NWMontana, on 28 December 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

<sup>Yes he has trade value.   I believe a swap will take place. Example: Jets 2nd, for Mike and our third.

Its a win win for both involved....  We get 2 seconds. Win. NY gets a Qb and only moves down 16-17 spots..... Win</sup>

why would the jets give us a 2nd in exchange for a 3rd if they can get him off the street for nothing? Better question why would we pay him a non refundable bonus to leave town?

[Pegger]

WaitingForSomeday, on 28 December 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

I don't quite follow... as FA he could negotiate to be a starter with any team he likes.  The trade would benefit him two ways, $3M, and the fact that a team invested a pick in him.

He's technically under contract. Sure the Eagles can cut him just after the Superbowl to avoid the $3M signing bonus, but that's pretty soon. IMO we won't have a coach in place yet, so how can we really cut Vick?

I'm assumign we pay the $3M to have the flexibility to either have the new coach use him or trade him.

[bobbywizdum]

Pegger, on 28 December 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

For McNabb we got a 2nd that year and a 3rd the next year. Essentially picks loose about a round if they are next year so for when we traded McNabb it was like we got a 2nd and a 4th in that year (not a first round value). When McNabb was traded he would be 34 the next season and was coming off of 3 straight seasons of being injured.

for Kolb we just resigned Vick to a starter contract and it was his last year under contract. Kolb had to go and every team knew it. The Cards may have overpaid a bit because they needed to get a QB to secure Fitz to a long term deal, but they would probably do the same for a more established QB like Vick.

As for Vicks long term potential it's not great but it's relative to what's available in the market. There's no clear better choice out there (providing the Ravens franchise Flacco). One thing you should also factor in whatever team Vick goes to next year will almost immediately get another $5-10M in jersey sales. I know from a football point of view they might not be much better, but GMs do think of that stuff. That's essentially why Tebow will be a Jag next year.

sorry but that isn't true. a high second and a high 3rd is viewed as first round "value". mcanbb missed two games in 09 but posted a 10-4 record and a qb rating in the 90's. Mcnabb missed 0 games in 2008 and went to a championship game. You don't see a difference between that and vick coming off back to back injury riddled losing seasons and a qb rating of under 80? Vick doesn't have the track record of success. Couple that with the fact that neither mcnabb or kolb worked out for their respective trading partners and you think we are going to get great trade value there?

Again vick may be picked up to gain jersey sales and tv contracts. I understand the business side of things. Why would you trade though for what you can get for nothing? Why are the eagles going to pay that large bonus due three days after the superbowl in the hopes they can unload him for a late round pick?

[hukdonfoniks]

if Vick has any value, it will be at most a 4th.

[wussbasket]

the only way it would happen is if vick restructures his deal by taking a pay cut, but this would all have to happen by 3 days after the super bowl.

[cowboy_ron]

odin8888, on 28 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

If you keep him, you have to pay his HUGGGE contract salary... smart money says he will be released and best we can hope for is a compensatory pick

You don't get comp picks for released players

[FanSinceWayBack]

Yea he has some trade value. We give up a 5th or 6th in order for someone to take him off our hands

[bumpy93]

If your lucky you could rob a team for a 6th or something in that neighbor hood IMO

[DawkinsOwnage03]

Vick is so bad he doesnt even have trade value