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[BillTheButcher]

MightyJNC, on 28 December 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Say what???

Jarvis Jones is going to be a beast SAM/Joker, unfornately he may be off the board before we pick.

he can pass rush. he cant stop the run or cover tho.. at least i dont think.

T. McGee, on 29 December 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Nothing wrong with Chaney. He can play SAM just fine. This team needs to be taking OL, S, and CB. If we are going to take a LB, it needs to be J. Jones or someone late. As far as playing better on D, we just need a JJ scheme. I think DRC can cover one on one if there is pressure on the QB. Nnamdi is a cap casualty.

this team has needed a SAM LB for years. stop over looking the position. thios team NEEDS S and SAM LB and maybe a CB depending on what they do with DRC. OL isnt even in the convo.

[MightyJNC]

BillTheButcher, on 29 December 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

he can pass rush. he cant stop the run or cover tho.. at least i dont think. this team has needed a SAM LB for years. stop over looking the position. thios team NEEDS S and SAM LB and maybe a CB depending on what they do with DRC. OL isnt even in the convo.

WTF?

The kid averages almost 8 tackles a game, leads the nation in TFL and has 7 FF in 11 games.  He's not being asked to cover WRS on fly patterns and rushes the QB on most obvious passing downs but he blankets backs and TEs across the field when in coverage.

[L.E.]

High motor fastballs.

[BillTheButcher]

MightyJNC, on 29 December 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

WTF?

The kid averages almost 8 tackles a game, leads the nation in TFL and has 7 FF in 11 games.  He's not being asked to cover WRS on fly patterns and rushes the QB on most obvious passing downs but he blankets backs and TEs across the field when in coverage.

ok i thought i heard the opposite, we shall look into it. i have a crack research team.

have a nice day citizen

[Footballman175]

who the hell would you hear from that Jarvis can't stop the run? Must be talking to some idiots.

[PhillySmoke]

Jarvis jones could be the best player in this draft and he won't make it past 3rd overall. it's a damn shame. and if he did fall to us, we wouldn't take him because he's over 6' and a total monster. we'll draft a midget or trade down do we can get even more midgets

[BillTheButcher]

Footballman175, on 29 December 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

who the hell would you hear from that Jarvis can't stop the run? Must be talking to some idiots.

we have to do a better job there. i take responsibility for that. We have to put our opinion in a better position.

PhillySmoke, on 29 December 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Jarvis jones could be the best player in this draft and he won't make it past 3rd overall. it's a damn shame. and if he did fall to us, we wouldn't take him because he's over 6' and a total monster. we'll draft a midget or trade down do we can get even more midgets

yo serious?

theres a midget in the draft? woh... what position? whats his name? he has got to be good to be an actual midget.

L.E., on 29 December 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

High motor fastballs.

stoned tater hashballs

[Utebird]

BillTheButcher, on 29 December 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

he can pass rush. he cant stop the run or cover tho.. at least i dont think. this team has needed a SAM LB for years. stop over looking the position. thios team NEEDS S and SAM LB and maybe a CB depending on what they do with DRC. OL isnt even in the convo.

theres a difference between overlooking tghe position and being smart about filling it. in a 4-3 2 LBs are going to play the majority of the snaps, this year for the eagles those two were kendricks and ryans, jordan barely even played as has chaney since taking over at SAM. the way the nfl is defenses are in nickel and dime the majority of the game so the SAM backer has lost its value.

sure id like to have a solid SAM backer but why spend a first round on a guy that is going to play probably 20% of the defensive snaps. thats a lot of money for a part time player. its the same reason teams dont value Full backs, the league is a passing league.

Instead of relegating resources to find a SAM why not use those same resources to fill other more improtant needs like OL DL, DB,  WR TE?

When valuing positions on a team about the only position on a team that has less value than a SAM backer is a FB,

Like i said for a player that will only get about 20% of the defensive snaps chaney is fine, he can play all 3 positions and nickel and special teams and is cheap. he should also be more effective now that the d-line is 2 gapping, even though SAM is probably the position that least favors his skill set, he's be a  better WIL or even a better MLB.

[PhillySmoke]

Utebird, on 29 December 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

theres a difference between overlooking tghe position and being smart about filling it. in a 4-3 2 LBs are going to play the majority of the snaps, this year for the eagles those two were kendricks and ryans, jordan barely even played as has chaney since taking over at SAM. the way the nfl is defenses are in nickel and dime the majority of the game so the SAM backer has lost its value.

sure id like to have a solid SAM backer but why spend a first round on a guy that is going to play probably 20% of the defensive snaps. thats a lot of money for a part time player. its the same reason teams dont value Full backs, the league is a passing league.

Instead of relegating resources to find a SAM why not use those same resources to fill other more improtant needs like OL DL, DB,  WR TE?

When valuing positions on a team about the only position on a team that has less value than a SAM backer is a FB,

Like i said for a player that will only get about 20% of the defensive snaps chaney is fine, he can play all 3 positions and nickel and special teams and is cheap. he should also be more effective now that the d-line is 2 gapping, even though SAM is probably the position that least favors his skill set, he's be a  better WIL or even a better MLB.

I never said we should spend a first round pick on a sam. but if we did draft Jarvis jones, you really think he'd only play 20% of the snaps on defense? are you crazy? they'd move him all over the place. he'd rotate in at end and probably play both olb positions. but anyway, who's available maybe second or third round? any possible late gems out there?

[Sean Jerz]

PhillySmoke, on 30 December 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

I never said we should spend a first round pick on a sam. but if we did draft Jarvis jones, you really think he'd only play 20% of the snaps on defense? are you crazy? they'd move him all over the place. he'd rotate in at end and probably play both olb positions. but anyway, who's available maybe second or third round? any possible late gems out there?

I agree! If the Eagles drafted Jones he'd be all over the place. Teams would have to prepare for Jones because of his explosiveness when rushing the passer. If the Eagles get better help from the CB or S positions a guy like Jones could kill you. It's about creating mismatches and exposing the other teams weaknesses. Geez! There is a reason Jones will go so high, he's talented and gifted enough play OLB in any defense, 4-3 or 3-4.

The 2 gems I would take after the 1st round as SLB in our 4-3 are Anthony Barr from UCLA or CJ Mosley from Georgia..

[biglou22]

PhillySmoke, on 28 December 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

we've needed a strongside linebacker for how many years now? since Carlos emmons? when is this team going to get a guy over 6' that can actually cover? it seems every year we trot out 3 weak side linebackers. what's it gonna take to get one? any good ones in the draft or scheduled for fa?

Maybe you haven't noticed but not 1 single LB in the NFL can cover the good TEs or the good RBs.
They are to slow, not quick enough, nor are they the athletes.
It's a mismatch that will be the standard in the NFL until a different type of LB is developed.

Regardless of whether they are strict SAMs or they move around, some of the LBs that are considered GREAT cover LBs are atrocious in coverage.
Check out some of these stats for cover success by some of the BETTER KNOWN cover LBs in the NFL.

L.Hill - completion % of over 60% against him.
L.Briggs = 70%
V.Miller = 80%
W.Woodyard = 70%
KJ Wright = 73%

And they are some of the better completion % against. So if you think there is such a thing as a GOOD COVER LB in the NFL, sorry to tell you...............
THEY DON'T EXIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And keep in mind, there isn't a single 3-4 LBor 4-3 MLBs that can cover even AVERAGE TEs and RBs let alone the really good ones.
Maybe this will help you out as far as how bad ALL LBs are in coverage.
2 of the best cover LBs in the NFL this year regardless of position is Akeem Jordan and Ernie Sims.
Any questions now ???????????

[Shutdown Sheldon]

Footballman175, on 28 December 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

^

read my Signature..Fisher is a solid offensive tackle for 10 years.

No team in their right mind would trade a first round pick for a third, and then get a second a year later. A first is worth a second and third of the same year. Future draft year picks do not carry as much value as current year picks. Your scenario would never play out.

[PhillySmoke]

biglou22, on 30 December 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

Maybe you haven't noticed but not 1 single LB in the NFL can cover the good TEs or the good RBs.
They are to slow, not quick enough, nor are they the athletes.
It's a mismatch that will be the standard in the NFL until a different type of LB is developed.

Regardless of whether they are strict SAMs or they move around, some of the LBs that are considered GREAT cover LBs are atrocious in coverage.
Check out some of these stats for cover success by some of the BETTER KNOWN cover LBs in the NFL.

L.Hill - completion % of over 60% against him.
L.Briggs = 70%
V.Miller = 80%
W.Woodyard = 70%
KJ Wright = 73%

And they are some of the better completion % against. So if you think there is such a thing as a GOOD COVER LB in the NFL, sorry to tell you...............
THEY DON'T EXIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And keep in mind, there isn't a single 3-4 LBor 4-3 MLBs that can cover even AVERAGE TEs and RBs let alone the really good ones.
Maybe this will help you out as far as how bad ALL LBs are in coverage.
2 of the best cover LBs in the NFL this year regardless of position is Akeem Jordan and Ernie Sims.
Any questions now ???????????

wow ok so you're saying I shouldn't worry about a linebacker that can cover because NO linebackers can cover. makes sense...not really. I realize the coverage stats aren't amazing for any one lb and thats probably due to the fact that receivers catch a lot of balls over the middle in the lb's zone. but obviously there's a difference between the best and the worst cover guys and I'm not talking about stats or completion percentage against. guys you watch on the field... qbs either throw at them constantly because they're lost out there or a guy maybe you'd think twice about throwing at because there's a good chance he could make a play on it. if we were to draft Jarvis jones, you're telling me he'd be worse than Akeem Jordan out there? you're insane.

[BillTheButcher]

if anyones idea is to not care about a position(SAM LB) then you have already failed. SAM LBs do more then cover, they stop the run. jamar chaney is a bum, akeem jordan is a bum. A BUM!!!!

[BillTheButcher]

jamar chaney is so good, i cant wait for him to be our SAM LB next year, the dude is just making plays, if making plays means giving up TDs not being good vs the run and not actually making tackles.

[ronlandis]

I'm really hoping the new staff switches 3-4.  They'd be set at LB and DT; they'd just need a NT.