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[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

http://espn.go.com/n...inning-not-easy

Donovan McNabb was much-maligned during his time with the Eagles, but now that the team is struggling toward the potential end of Andy Reid's tenure as coach, he says Philadelphia's fans didn't know how good they had it when he was quarterback.


McNabb, an analyst for Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, was asked what Reid's legacy will be in the city if the coach is relieved of his duties after this season. He said it's "unfortunate" that the focus has been on the Eagles' struggles of the past few seasons -- 4-11 this year and 8-8 in 2011 in the face of weighty expectations -- and not the continued success Reid's teams had in the past.

"You look at everything he's been able to accomplish, I think it outweighs what you've seen the last two years," McNabb said.

McNabb led the Eagles to four NFC Championship Game appearances and Super Bowl XXXIX, where Philadelphia fell to the New England Patriots. His time with the team ended unceremoniously, however, when he was traded to the Washington Redskins before the 2010 season.

"Making it to the NFC Championship is not easy, and I think they're starting to see that right now, that getting to the playoffs and going to the NFC Championship consistently, it's just not that easy," McNabb said. "There are teams right now who have winning records, like the Atlanta Falcons, they've done it for so many years, and they get to the playoffs and all of a sudden they're one-and-done."

He said for much of his time with the Eagles under Reid, "It wasn't about how much we were going to win, it was about how much we were going to win by," and that the he and the coach shouldn't be judged unfavorably because they weren't able to win a title. The Eagles are 130-92-1 and 10-9 in the playoffs during Reid's 14 seasons with the franchise.

"People want to make it look like you have nothing to show for it. Well, we have a lot to show for it," he said.

[odin8888]

I think you could make the print smaller....

[maggsgsr1]

Don must have been smiling during this interview

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

Whats wrong with the print?

[Brotha2thaNite]

He is correct but he must realize if you make it to that many NFCC fans will expect at least one SB win.

[Jefetio]

I have no problem with what he said.  For a change, he doesn't come across as bitter in my opinion

[vikas83]

I'm sure the usual morons here will attack McNabb for this, but he's supporting his former coach. What else would he do? Non-story.

[greenpassion]

best qb we ever had by far but man that dude is irritating. its really a shame they didnt get that supe. they should have had atleast 2 but the arrogance of management held them back from getting over the hump. letting trott go the first time and letting owens get away after 1 season then reid wanting to reinvent the run n shoot doomed us

[Footballman175]

What is the point of this? He is basically just praising himself for the Championship years.

[Innocence096]

Footballman175, on 28 December 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

What is the point of this? He is basically just praising himself for the Championship years.

yeah he did manage to take a question about Reid and turn it into patting himself on the back.

[electrickeagle]

Expect this from Donovan as long as he is around.  He is right though.  We can all say whatever we want, but both Reid and Don deserve props for what they were able to do.

I almost feel that if just one Super Bowl were accomplished, the whole fan base would forget Buddy Ryan and Randall...whom were less successful but somehow still held in higher regard above AR and Don by a good amount of the fan base.

[nezzy]

What exactly did he do? Last time I checked we still haven't been crowned Super Bowl champs. Reid's legacy will be exactly that...we were good, but never great

[Krukslonelyball]

Remember that time McNabb was awful in the SB and was so nervous playing Dallas that he made himself look retarded in front of the entire nation by playing air guitar?

[BtotheH]

What McNabb and Reid did for this organization in their time will not be forgotten by me but it is time to move on and turn the page. Yea I am glad we got those chances in the play-offs but getting there and consistently being sent home was frustrating. I just hope we can soon re-live those days and see our team hoist the Lombardi trophy one day.

Yea looking back we have done well but with the talent that remained on this team (offensively) in the past two years we still underperformed on offense, look at the 4th qtr leads blown and turnovers that cost us games. Let's not forget that last years 8-8 season was strung together by four straight wins that were against weak opponents and a second string Cowboys offense that last game, last year we could have easily been 5-11 or 6-10, just the same way it has gone this year.

Like I said I am looking into the future not where we have already been, change is needed here bad.

[L.E.]

McNabb wants to live in the past, surprise surprise.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 28 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

"There are teams right now who have winning records, like the Atlanta Falcons, they've done it for so many years, and they get to the playoffs and all of a sudden they're one-and-done."

The Falcons have been "doing it for so many years"? Until a couple of seasons ago they'd never even had back to back winning seasons in their entire existence. What is he talking about? Oh wait, he's just talking out of his @#$...

[Hoagie]

2nd place is 1st loser.  Donovan was an outstanding player but he was not a winner.  Winners don't need to reflect back on their legacy to try and convince everyone that they were better than they actually were.  Their performance speaks for itself.

[biglou22]

electrickeagle, on 28 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Expect this from Donovan as long as he is around.  He is right though.  We can all say whatever we want, but both Reid and Don deserve props for what they were able to do.

I almost feel that if just one Super Bowl were accomplished, the whole fan base would forget Buddy Ryan and Randall...whom were less successful but somehow still held in higher regard above AR and Don by a good amount of the fan base.

That's the funny thing about Reid and McNabb. They are so far superior to anything this town has ever seen when it comes to the Eagles (SB era) and fans still try to throw in the old Vermeil, Jaws, Ryan and Randall comparisons. Rather comical.
And the fact is if EVERYTHING stayed the same, including this years debacle, but Reid would have won JUST ONE SB his accomplishments would have put him into the top 10 coaches in NFL history. And because of losing the SB by 3 points he is looked at by some fans as terrible. LMFAO.

[biglou22]

Hoagie, on 28 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

2nd place is 1st loser.  Donovan was an outstanding player but he was not a winner.  Winners don't need to reflect back on their legacy to try and convince everyone that they were better than they actually were.  Their performance speaks for itself.

So narrow minded.
What do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking ????
And I am not try to be a wise arse. Im just trying to make a point.

[GoodGooglyMoogly]

Krukslonelyball, on 28 December 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Remember that time McNabb was awful in the SB and was so nervous playing Dallas that he made himself look retarded in front of the entire nation by playing air guitar?

He did make himself look like an a** clown there but what makes you say he was "nervous". Was it because the commentators said he was nervous or something like that?

[vikas83]

electrickeagle, on 28 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Expect this from Donovan as long as he is around.  He is right though.  We can all say whatever we want, but both Reid and Don deserve props for what they were able to do.

I almost feel that if just one Super Bowl were accomplished, the whole fan base would forget Buddy Ryan and Randall...whom were less successful but somehow still held in higher regard above AR and Don by a good amount of the fan base.

Things change with time. People though Randall was a clown when he left town too. 10 years from now, both Reid and McNabb will be remembered more fondly. Especially if we still have no SB.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

biglou22, on 28 December 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

So narrow minded.
What do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking ????
And I am not try to be a wise arse. Im just trying to make a point.

Narrow minded? It's the reality. The loser of the Super Bowl is as much of a season loser as the other 30 losers from that year, and they pick second to last in the next draft (unless they have someone elses picks from a trade).

The only winner in any NFL season is the Super Bowl champion.

[biglou22]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 28 December 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Narrow minded? It's the reality. The loser of the Super Bowl is as much of a season loser as the other 30 losers from that year, and they pick second to last in the next draft (unless they have someone elses picks from a trade).

The only winner in any NFL season is the Super Bowl champion.

So are you THE best in your field of employment ??
Obviously you ARE NOT.
So I should refer to you as a LOSER ??
Doesn't make much sense to degrade you like that when you might be very very good at what you do. But becuase you are not THE BEST it does not make you a loser.

You do understand that you can be very very good. just not the best right ??? And because you are not the best it doesn't mean you are a LOSER.

[bobbywizdum]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 28 December 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Narrow minded? It's the reality. The loser of the Super Bowl is as much of a season loser as the other 30 losers from that year, and they pick second to last in the next draft (unless they have someone elses picks from a trade).

The only winner in any NFL season is the Super Bowl champion.

so from your perspective the 2004 season meant exactly the same as this one?

[greenpassion]

GoodGooglyMoogly, on 28 December 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

He did make himself look like an a** clown there but what makes you say he was "nervous". Was it because the commentators said he was nervous or something like that?

donovan himself told him thats how hes so sure and can post it as fact

[VaBeach_Eagle]

bobbywizdum, on 28 December 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

so from your perspective the 2004 season meant exactly the same as this one?

I enjoyed the body of that season more than this one, but when all is said and done, it means exactly what this one means. We don't get a Lombardi.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

biglou22, on 28 December 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

So are you THE best in your field of employment ??
Obviously you ARE NOT.
So I should refer to you as a LOSER ??
Doesn't make much sense to degrade you like that when you might be very very good at what you do. But becuase you are not THE BEST it does not make you a loser.

You do understand that you can be very very good. just not the best right ??? And because you are not the best it doesn't mean you are a LOSER.

I'm not in a "field of employment", I'm retired and yes, I am THE best retired Soldier. You can "refer" to me as anything you wish, but my former "field of employment" wasn't a competition where someone was declared the Champion and was in competition with everyone else for that title.

We aren't discussing "fields of employment" though, because "fields of employment" aren't sporting competitions. We're discussing a sporting competition where the only thing that matters is winning the championship and there is competition to have "winners" and "losers". If that wasn't the only thing that mattered then why have a championship game? Just end the season with 32 teams that are happy to have played and gotten paid.

Stop trying to equate sports with real life, they aren't things that can be compared equally.

[McnabbsPHIeagles]

I am going to be as happy as anybody else when Reid is let go. However, I will always appreciate his tenure here, as I did with Donovan when he as here, when Dawkins was here etc. That group is responsible for the best couple of seasons in franchise history. It is a shame that they were unable to win a super bowl. It is an even bigger shame that the vocal minority(and I mean minority, most eagles fans you meet in the outside world are appreciative.) will disregard these years because it didn't result in a championship. It's not the easiest thing to do. Guys like Brady, who have won it multiple times, are not common, they are the best, along with a great coach, and a great team all together. Some guys, like Favre, who is a future hall of famer could only win it ONCE. Every season 31 other teams fall short. A lot of great players didn't get to even play in a super bowl. Some of them never even won more than a few playoff games. So many things have to go right for it to happen.

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Eli and Ben are the active super bowl winning starting Qbs. A handful out of a bunch of players. Between Brady, Eli and Ben they have won 7 super bowls in recent history. So a lot of other teams are not winning the championship, a lot of great players aren't going to come close. You would have to say the NFL is full of mostly losers, because only a few teams have won the super bowl lately by that super bowl or bust logic.

[voodoochile75]

The sad thing is that these guys don't remember the love and adoration that was rained on them for years when things were going good.


A few seasons of stupid smiles, worm burners, "time's yours" pressers and stupid play calling will kind of drain that out of a fan base.

[JoePhila]

He didn't say it but I have said it and will say it again......McNabb carried Reid for years, his ability masked reids shortcomings as a coach. When DMac lost his mobility, reids flaws really surfaced.