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[skippyx]

Berman puts on his rose colored glasses for the first minute or so until he lets in some reality.
You don't keep multiple year train wreck coaches based on what they did 9 years ago.

... "but don't thnk Andy Reid forgot how to coach."

Have you ever watched his 2 minute drills, challenge flag success ratios, or red zone percentage?
http://www.teamranki...one-scoring-pct

..."Reid coached QBs so he drafted one in 1999, despite the hooting and hollering of so many"

It was 30 drunks (dirty 30 from WIP) and Berman ignores the Ricky Williams preference as the cause.  For a guy who knows football, this is pathetic, Skip Baylessian journalism.

... He also built up toughness on both sides of the ball that South Philly could be proud of. Brian Dawkins epitomized that."

Dawkins was a prior regime draft pick in '96 and Trotter was a '98 pick.
Douglass, Vincent and Taylor were already here.
Maybe it was Corey Simon, Damon Moore, Mark Simoneau, and guys like that who made the D tough?

"they could run it, they could throw it... soon the wins came"
17th or worse in offense for 5 of his first 7 seasons.  The wins came for sure, but it was not a Bill Walsh offensive explosion as he implies.


AR captained the team on its most successful run in history and he deserves lots of credit for those 10 seasons.

• The Runyan signing completely changed the offense. (In your face John Chaney!)
  
• The Westbrook drafting was brilliant.
  
• Signing Brian Mitchell was awesome.
  
• Hiring JJ was a 27 on a scale of 1 to 10.
  
• Going after TO and Kearse were bold moves at the right time.
  
• I have my issues with McNabb but he was the right QB to take of the 5 available in that draft.
  
• The 2003 draft recharged the franchise.
  
• The pickle juice game was an attitude shift.
  
• His team was in legitimate position to win three Super Bowls (2001, 2004 and 2008). It's hard to coach away choke.

AR has a mediocre record since JJ passed before the '09 season.
How will we ever replace a 33-30 mastermind with no playoff wins in 4 seasons?
Even the great seasons always had that feel of a guy on the edge of losing it.

• The handling of TO after the Super Bowl.
  
• The DJ enemy on your team 2011 season.
  
• The "I have to put us in a better position" x 90.
  
• Trusting players like Reno Mahe in key situations.
  
• Making his O-line coach a D-Coordinator.
  
• The fear of his starting QB no matter how bad he is playing that week.

  The one time he actually benched his starter, he settled out of court for 6.8 million+ dollars. (McNabb restructure which gave NOTHING to the team)

[purephillyfan]

Andy did this team proud. He made the Eagles a favorite to watch on Sundays around the country.

[dmor]

skippyx, on 29 December 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Berman puts on his rose colored glasses for the first minute or so until he lets in some reality.
You don't keep multiple year train wreck coaches based on what they did 9 years ago.

... "but don't thnk Andy Reid forgot how to coach."

Have you ever watched his 2 minute drills, challenge flag success ratios, or red zone percentage?
http://www.teamranki...one-scoring-pct

..."Reid coached QBs so he drafted one in 1999, despite the hooting and hollering of so many"

It was 30 drunks (dirty 30 from WIP) and Berman ignores the Ricky Williams preference as the cause.  For a guy who knows football, this is pathetic, Skip Baylessian journalism.

... He also built up toughness on both sides of the ball that South Philly could be proud of. Brian Dawkins epitomized that."

Dawkins was a prior regime draft pick in '96 and Trotter was a '98 pick.
Douglass, Vincent and Taylor were already here.
Maybe it was Corey Simon, Damon Moore, Mark Simoneau, and guys like that who made the D tough?

"they could run it, they could throw it... soon the wins came"
17th or worse in offense for 5 of his first 7 seasons.  The wins came for sure, but it was not a Bill Walsh offensive explosion as he implies.


AR captained the team on its most successful run in history and he deserves lots of credit for those 10 seasons.

• The Runyan signing completely changed the offense. (In your face John Chaney!)
  
• The Westbrook drafting was brilliant.
  
• Signing Brian Mitchell was awesome.
  
• Hiring JJ was a 27 on a scale of 1 to 10.
  
• Going after TO and Kearse were bold moves at the right time.
  
• I have my issues with McNabb but he was the right QB to take of the 5 available in that draft.
  
• The 2003 draft recharged the franchise.
  
• The pickle juice game was an attitude shift.
  
• His team was in legitimate position to win three Super Bowls (2001, 2004 and 2008). It's hard to coach away choke.

AR has a mediocre record since JJ passed before the '09 season.
How will we ever replace a 33-30 mastermind with no playoff wins in 4 seasons?
Even the great seasons always had that feel of a guy on the edge of losing it.

• The handling of TO after the Super Bowl.
  
• The DJ enemy on your team 2011 season.
  
• The "I have to put us in a better position" x 90.
  
• Trusting players like Reno Mahe in key situations.
  
• Making his O-line coach a D-Coordinator.
  
• The fear of his starting QB no matter how bad he is playing that week.

  The one time he actually benched his starter, he settled out of court for 6.8 million+ dollars. (McNabb restructure which gave NOTHING to the team)

You'll find plenty done wrong after 14 years.  Why not list some of the things the guy did right?  He didn't win all those games by being a stumblebum.

[skippyx]

Was the list of 9 major points he did right too short for you?

[CaptainCrunch]

Someway somehow his pass happy offense and all the games it cost us should be mentioned

And his inability to pick up quality wide receivers and/or defensive lineman and/or linebackers.

As well as going into a season with that skier as our return man.

Fire some fastballs up there

Clock management has been abysmal throughout his 14 year tenure.

[djbigf]

skippyx, on 29 December 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Berman puts on his rose colored glasses for the first minute or so until he lets in some reality.
You don't keep multiple year train wreck coaches based on what they did 9 years ago.

... "but don't thnk Andy Reid forgot how to coach."

Have you ever watched his 2 minute drills, challenge flag success ratios, or red zone percentage?
http://www.teamranki...one-scoring-pct

..."Reid coached QBs so he drafted one in 1999, despite the hooting and hollering of so many"

It was 30 drunks (dirty 30 from WIP) and Berman ignores the Ricky Williams preference as the cause.  For a guy who knows football, this is pathetic, Skip Baylessian journalism.

... He also built up toughness on both sides of the ball that South Philly could be proud of. Brian Dawkins epitomized that."

Dawkins was a prior regime draft pick in '96 and Trotter was a '98 pick.
Douglass, Vincent and Taylor were already here.
Maybe it was Corey Simon, Damon Moore, Mark Simoneau, and guys like that who made the D tough?

"they could run it, they could throw it... soon the wins came"
17th or worse in offense for 5 of his first 7 seasons.  The wins came for sure, but it was not a Bill Walsh offensive explosion as he implies.


AR captained the team on its most successful run in history and he deserves lots of credit for those 10 seasons.

• The Runyan signing completely changed the offense. (In your face John Chaney!)
  
• The Westbrook drafting was brilliant.
  
• Signing Brian Mitchell was awesome.
  
• Hiring JJ was a 27 on a scale of 1 to 10.
  
• Going after TO and Kearse were bold moves at the right time.
  
• I have my issues with McNabb but he was the right QB to take of the 5 available in that draft.
  
• The 2003 2002 draft recharged the franchise.

fyp...unfortunately, all the eagles drafts since 2002 have been average-to-awful, and are the biggest reason why big red is dead come monday.

[biglou22]

Besides other things being misguided or twisted in the OPs favor,  the most obvious is the OFFENSIVE STATS.
For the record,,, Reid's offenses finished in the top 10 in scoring 9x in his 1st 13 years. A stat that only 2 teams in the entire NFL did better then.
Here were the Eagles OFFENSIVE SCORING rankings in each of Reids prior 13 years.

*1998 before Reid took over they were ranked 30th out of 30 teams
*1999 - 25th
*2000 - 12th
*2001 - 9th
*2002 - 4th
*2003 - 10th
*2004 - 8th
*2005 - 18th
*2006 - 6th
*2007 - 17th
*2008 - 6th
*2009 - 5rd
*2010 - 3rd
*2011 - 8th

Seems like a pretty potent scoring machine to me.
Boy his play calling must have been atrocious to only have a top 10 scoring offense in 9 of 13 years.
Listen, you all can complain about his last 2 years. They have been a great disappointment. And it is more then obvious it is time for change. But it is 100% impossible to do what Reid did in his 1st 12 years and be anything but a very good coach. Take the time and go look up the history of what EVERY coach in NFL history has done (SB era). Then get back to me on how terrible he is.

Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in the history of the NFL that won 10 games or more 8 of 12 seasons ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that won 7 division titles in 12 years ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that brought his team to the playoffs 9x in 12 years ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that made it past the 1st rd at a higher % then Reid ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that made it to 5 CCGs in 12 years ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches that made it to 5 CCGs period ???
Don't bother looking it up. The list for each item is incredibly short. And he had to do it in a time of free agency and salary cap. Something no coach had to worry about in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 1/2 of the 90s.

Again, it is time to replace him. That is more then obvious. But it is 100% impossible to be that bad at all the things fans claim and have all that success. 100% impossible.

[WestPaEaglesNest]

biglou22, on 29 December 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

Besides other things being misguided or twisted in the OPs favor,  the most obvious is the OFFENSIVE STATS.
For the record,,, Reid's offenses finished in the top 10 in scoring 9x in his 1st 13 years. A stat that only 2 teams in the entire NFL did better then.
Here were the Eagles OFFENSIVE SCORING rankings in each of Reids prior 13 years.

*1998 before Reid took over they were ranked 30th out of 30 teams
*1999 - 25th
*2000 - 12th
*2001 - 9th
*2002 - 4th
*2003 - 10th
*2004 - 8th
*2005 - 18th
*2006 - 6th
*2007 - 17th
*2008 - 6th
*2009 - 5rd
*2010 - 3rd
*2011 - 8th

Seems like a pretty potent scoring machine to me.
Boy his play calling must have been atrocious to only have a top 10 scoring offense in 9 of 13 years.
Listen, you all can complain about his last 2 years. They have been a great disappointment. And it is more then obvious it is time for change. But it is 100% impossible to do what Reid did in his 1st 12 years and be anything but a very good coach. Take the time and go look up the history of what EVERY coach in NFL history has done (SB era). Then get back to me on how terrible he is.

Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in the history of the NFL that won 10 games or more 8 of 12 seasons ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that won 7 division titles in 12 years ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that brought his team to the playoffs 9x in 12 years ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that made it past the 1st rd at a higher % then Reid ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches in NFL history that made it to 5 CCGs in 12 years ???
Anyone want to look up the list of coaches that made it to 5 CCGs period ???
Don't bother looking it up. The list for each item is incredibly short. And he had to do it in a time of free agency and salary cap. Something no coach had to worry about in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 1/2 of the 90s.

Again, it is time to replace him. That is more then obvious. But it is 100% impossible to be that bad at all the things fans claim and have all that success. 100% impossible.

No, it is possible.  The downslide started 5 years ago and he has not adjusted.  Plus he capitalized on weak competition in the glory years.  WHen the competition stiffened, the Eagles got beat by better coached teams.

[HazletonEagle]

hey new guy from Wales or wherever... Here is an example of the stupid threads you will find in TATE.

[biglou22]

WestPaEaglesNest, on 29 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

No, it is possible.  The downslide started 5 years ago and he has not adjusted.  Plus he capitalized on weak competition in the glory years.  WHen the competition stiffened, the Eagles got beat by better coached teams.

Oh geez. Here we go again. The intelligent "weaker competition" statement.
And the brilliant "5 year ago slide"

5 years ago they went to the NFCCG.
4 years ago they won 11 games and the division and went to the playoffs.
3 years ago they won 10 games and the division and went to the playoffs.

What a terrible slide those 3 years were. Absolutely horrific.

[Eaglesfanforlife]

WestPaEaglesNest, on 29 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

No, it is possible.  The downslide started 5 years ago and he has not adjusted.  Plus he capitalized on weak competition in the glory years.  WHen the competition stiffened, the Eagles got beat by better coached teams.

Yes sir. Reid's pass happy offense sort of took the league by surprise a bit. Although the Rams weren't too shabby either. In any case, Reid was successful at a time when the NFC was extremely watered down. Now the NFC and the NFL as a whole got better and caught up to Reid and his system. He's never been quite as good in recent years after that.

All the Reid lovers can point to his early success all they want but there's only so many times you can say "look at what he did 8 years ago" and expect anyone to take you serious. I knew in '07 this was coming. I was calling for his head then. The blueprint and M.O. were clear as day along with the fact he could/would never change. Im tired of seeing the same deficiencies over and over again with no improvment in sight.

[CaptainCrunch]

It is not that Reid hasn't been good. He has.  But he will never be great as his Achilles heel - shortsightedness in some critical area always bites him.  He doesn't think of everything and is always outsmarted.

[CaptainCrunch]

Opening day - Lincoln financial field - September 8, 2003.  Tampa Bay 17, Eagles 0.  Great offensive showing proves the closing of the vet in the NFC championship game was no fluke.  Andy's fastball theory proven to be wrong. That's the day it ended for me.

[biglou22]

Eaglesfanforlife, on 29 December 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Yes sir. Reid's pass happy offense sort of took the league by surprise a bit. Although the Rams weren't too shabby either. In any case, Reid was successful at a time when the NFC was extremely watered down. Now the NFC and the NFL as a whole got better and caught up to Reid and his system. He's never been quite as good in recent years after that.

All the Reid lovers can point to his early success all they want but there's only so many times you can say "look at what he did 8 years ago" and expect anyone to take you serious. I knew in '07 this was coming. I was calling for his head then. The blueprint and M.O. were clear as day along with the fact he could/would never change. Im tired of seeing the same deficiencies over and over again with no improvment in sight.

[Eaglesfanforlife]

biglou22, on 29 December 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Oh geez. Here we go again. The intelligent "weaker competition" statement.
And the brilliant "5 year ago slide"

5 years ago they went to the NFCCG.
4 years ago they won 11 games and the division and went to the playoffs.
3 years ago they won 10 games and the division and went to the playoffs.

What a terrible slide those 3 years were. Absolutely horrific.

This is a what have you done for me lately league, not what did you do for me years ago league. These past 2 years have been horrible. I'll just ask this... What great irreplaceable coach hires his career long oline coach as a full time DC that has no NFL pro experience in the midst of a lock-out off season?? Now before anyone starts spouting off those stats, remember that Lurie himself called it "fools gold". I guess there were plenty of fools because thousands bought into that and look what happened this year. Game 1 and we were still seeing players looking at the sidelines and at each other with their arms up in the air not knowing what the f was going on lol. What happened to, oh we need a full off-season to get it right... Yea right. This guy is history and I for one... Am ecstatic.

[CountBlah]

purephillyfan, on 29 December 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

Andy did this team proud. He made the Eagles a favorite to watch on Sundays around the country.

Yeah, 5+ years ago.  Now?

[CaptainCrunch]

How many times did we get our doors blown off by the AFC powerhouses - Manning, Brady, Roethlesberger??

[Eaglesfanforlife]

biglou22, on 29 December 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Reid nuthuggers I tell ya. #smh

[CountBlah]

CaptainCrunch, on 29 December 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

How many times did we get our doors blown off by the AFC powerhouses - Manning, Brady, Roethlesberger??

Heck to any teams backup QB?

[CaptainCrunch]

CountBlah, on 29 December 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Heck to any teams backup QB?

But my point is when it was time to show we belonged in elite category - more so than not - we came up woefully small.

[biglou22]

Eaglesfanforlife, on 29 December 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

This is a what have you done for me lately league, not what did you do for me years ago league. These past 2 years have been horrible. I'll just ask this... What great irreplaceable coach hires his career long oline coach as a full time DC that has no NFL pro experience in the midst of a lock-out off season?? Now before anyone starts spouting off those stats, remember that Lurie himself called it "fools gold". I guess there were plenty of fools because thousands bought into that and look what happened this year. Game 1 and we were still seeing players looking at the sidelines and at each other with their arms up in the air not knowing what the f was going on lol. What happened to, oh we need a full off-season to get it right... Yea right. This guy is history and I for one... Am ecstatic.

Ahhhhh, i fully understand it's a "what have you done lately for me league". Which by the way is moronic.
But what I try to point out is that just because you have 2 -3 -4 bad years out of a career, does that mean all your other success didn't exist ??
Because Don Shula went his last 10 years and only winning 3 playoff games and only getting to the playoffs 4 times mean he was a bad coach ?? Obviously not.
Because Tom Landry only made the playoffs 2x in his last 7 years with ZERO playoff wins, does that mean he was a bad coach ??? Obviously not.
Because Bill Parcells only won 10 games or more 2x, only made the playoffs 3x and never won a playoff game in his last 7 years of coaching,, does that mean he sucked as a coach ??? Obviously not.

That is my only point with Reid and the success he has had. Because of a few bad years, you can't discard the prior success they have had.

[djbigf]

biglou22, on 29 December 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Ahhhhh, i fully understand it's a "what have you done lately for me league". Which by the way is moronic.
But what I try to point out is that just because you have 2 -3 -4 bad years out of a career, does that mean all your other success didn't exist ??
Because Don Shula went his last 10 years and only winning 3 playoff games and only getting to the playoffs 4 times mean he was a bad coach ?? Obviously not.
Because Tom Landry only made the playoffs 2x in his last 7 years with ZERO playoff wins, does that mean he was a bad coach ??? Obviously not.
Because Bill Parcells only won 10 games or more 2x, only made the playoffs 3x and never won a playoff game in his last 7 years of coaching,, does that mean he sucked as a coach ??? Obviously not.

That is my only point with Reid and the success he has had. Because of a few bad years, you can't discard the prior success they have had.

quick - what do all those other guys have that andy reid doesn't?  i'll wait...

[biglou22]

Eaglesfanforlife, on 29 December 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Reid nuthuggers I tell ya. #smh

I know this will be hard for you to understand. I'll go slow.
But   it   actually   has   nothing   to   do   with   Reid   himself.   It   has   to   do   with   ANY   coach   that   has   the   success   that   Reid   has   had.

[CaptainCrunch]

biglou22, on 29 December 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

I know this will be hard for you to understand. I'll go slow.
But   it   actually   has   nothing   to   do   with   Reid   himself.   It   has   to   do   with   ANY   coach   that   has   the   success   that   Reid   has   had.

Marty Schottenheimer redux.

[djbigf]

biglou22, on 29 December 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

I know this will be hard for you to understand. I'll go slow.
But   it   actually   has   nothing   to   do   with   Reid   himself.   It   has   to   do   with   ANY   coach   that   has   the   success   that   Reid   has   had.

you mean like marty schottenheimer and jeff fisher?

[CaptainCrunch]

Reid isn't even Marv levy.

[djbigf]

CaptainCrunch, on 29 December 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Reid isn't even Marv levy.

chuck knox, mebbe?

[furiousxgeorge]

Quote

The DJ enemy on your team 2011 season.

What's that?

[djbigf]

furiousxgeorge, on 29 December 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

What's that?

he's referencing djax turding it up last year b/c he didn't get paid

[furiousxgeorge]

Ahh, got it.