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[RPeeteRules]

Steve Hutchinson?  I feel like there should be more, or at least some, players from the O-line listed.

[Eagle Jeff]

Aldon Smith lol.

[TheSilence]

What are the chances of Devin Hester getting in since he's only productive as a returner but he might be the best returner to ever play.

[Gmen4ever]

TheSilence, on 29 December 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

What are the chances of Devin Hester getting in since he's only productive as a returner but he might be the best returner to ever play.

Highly doubtful, since ST guys rarely get in, but a good pick regardless.

[NorCalEagle]

haloti ngata

[MightyJNC]

Froggy, on 29 December 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Guess we'll have to wait and see. BTW Rodney Harrison's numbers are pretty close to Dawkins', plus he has the championships, and I don't even bother in making a case for him. I know he won't make it.

The thing that may hurt him the most is his reputation as having been one of the dirtiest players in the league (whether justifiably deserved or not), but he and Woodson are two other of those "triple threat" safeties from the past 2 decade who will at minimum garner some HOF consideration.

[Stephen1]

MightyJNC, on 29 December 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

For sure, but the total misconception (that repeatedly gets perpetuated around here, not necissarily by you but some others) that steller TEAM accomplishments is some kind of free pass to the hall couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

for a QB it does. Aikman wasn't close to a hall of fame caliber QB, and that got him in on the 1st ballot, I don't think Eli is HOF caliber really, but he does meet the criteria to get in and will. If you are a QB, you win a couple rings you are in.....heck if you get good stats and can just get 1 ring you are probably in (see Steve Young)

safety and TE are two spots that are hard to get in on..... Charlie Waters from Dallas had almost 600 tackles, 41int's (in a day where they threw far less passes) won 2 SB rings and went to 4 SB's, and he can't get a sniff of the HOF. There are only 8 TE's in the HOF, so I don't know what Witten's chances are, though to me he is definitely HOF worthy, I think he, along with Dawkins might be guys that get in down the line via the veterans committee.

[MightyJNC]

Stephen1, on 30 December 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

for a QB it does. Aikman wasn't close to a hall of fame caliber QB, and that got him in on the 1st ballot, I don't think Eli is HOF caliber really, but he does meet the criteria to get in and will. If you are a QB, you win a couple rings you are in.....heck if you get good stats and can just get 1 ring you are probably in (see Steve Young)

safety and TE are two spots that are hard to get in on..... Charlie Waters from Dallas had almost 600 tackles, 41int's (in a day where they threw far less passes) won 2 SB rings and went to 4 SB's, and he can't get a sniff of the HOF. There are only 8 TE's in the HOF, so I don't know what Witten's chances are, though to me he is definitely HOF worthy, I think he, along with Dawkins might be guys that get in down the line via the veterans committee.

To me as well, and in fact IMO he is/was not only the best "all around" TE of this generation but an all-timer who would have excelled in any era.

It's easy to do the "woulda, shoulda" years after a draft but I honestly think that if the Bird's would have taken him in 03' instead of LJ freakin Smith, Witten would have been virtually unstoppable in Reid's O.

[Stephen1]

MightyJNC, on 30 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

To me as well, and in fact IMO he is/was not only the best "all around" TE of this generation but an all-timer who would have excelled in any era.

It's easy to do the "woulda, shoulda" years after a draft but I honestly think that if the Bird's would have taken him in 03' instead of LJ freakin Smith, Witten would have been virtually unstoppable in Reid's O.

oh yeah, I agree.....I'd also like to see Romo play in a WC offense

[philly_phan74]

all denver, on 29 December 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Add Randy Moss, Phil Dawson. Gates

Phil Dawson?

How About Jason Hanson Adam Viniteri and David Akers?

Some RBs with Some more Solid years maybe.

Frank Gore
Steven Jackson

WR
Steve Smith
Devin Hester
Andre Johnson
Randy Moss ( Like Someone said)

What about FA's
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens

DL
Vine Wilfork
Richard Seymour
Jared Allen
Kevin Williams
Julius Peppers

LB
Clay Matthews

DB
Charles Woodson
Ronde Barber

These are just some of the older names I could think of

[Froggy]

philly_phan74, on 30 December 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Phil Dawson?

How About Jason Hanson Adam Viniteri and David Akers?

Some RBs with Some more Solid years maybe.

Frank Gore Nope
Steven Jackson Nope

WR
Steve Smith Nope
Devin Hester Nope
Andre Johnson Nope
Randy Moss ( Like Someone said) Yes

What about FA's
Chad Johnson Nope
Terrell Owens Yes

DL
Vine Wilfork Nope
Richard Seymour Nope
Jared Allen Nope
Kevin Williams Nope
Julius Peppers Nope

LB
Clay Matthews Nope

DB
Charles Woodson Yeah maybe
Ronde Barber Yes

These are just some of the older names I could think of

[BlackPooL]

Some of these names are a little premature.

Aaron Rodgers? Serious? He's had probably 2 really good years in an otherwise relatively short career. Let him have a few more Brady/Manning type seasons first.

Aldon Smith? Second year player? What if he goes Merriman on everyone and falls off the map now? I feel relatively the same about Clay Matthews.

HOF guys are supposed to be legendary. Guys who were plainly the BEST of an era, not just "good players" who had 2 or 3 seasons near the top. Feels like you guys are getting carried away. There's various players from 10+ years ago still waiting to get in, and your annoying 24-25 year olds for the HOF already?

There's some relative nobody skill players in history who had a year or two as THE top guy at their position, and they can be nowhere near a HOF ballot because the rest their career was mediocre.

You wait until a career is almost done before you make HOF predictions. Not when a career had just begun.

The HOF would be as bad as the Pro Bowl if some fans were voting I guess.

[Dawkins 20]

Andre Johnson is great, but he's going to have a tough time making it in too. He's up against guys like Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, Megatron, etc. If Cris Carter isn't in yet, then Andre Johnson is way down the list.

[philly_phan74]

Dawkins 20, on 30 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Andre Johnson is great, but he's going to have a tough time making it in too. He's up against guys like Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, Megatron, etc. If Cris Carter isn't in yet, then Andre Johnson is way down the list.

His TDs will hurt him but if he keeps his current pace up over say 2-3 years he will finish he career as a top 5 Reciever of all time.

[philly_phan74]

Gmen4ever, on 29 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Eli Manning

Mind you, he wouldn't get in today IMO, but by the time his career is over, he'll be in.This is not a homer pick, as anyone who posts here regularly knows I'm one of his biggest critics.

If Eli gets in then Big Ben gets in as Well.

[TheSilence]

philly_phan74, on 30 December 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Phil Dawson?

How About Jason Hanson Adam Viniteri and David Akers?

Some RBs with Some more Solid years maybe.

Frank Gore
Steven Jackson

WR
Steve Smith
Devin Hester
Andre Johnson
Randy Moss ( Like Someone said)

What about FA's
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens

DL
Vine Wilfork
Richard Seymour
Jared Allen
Kevin Williams
Julius Peppers

LB
Clay Matthews

DB
Charles Woodson
Ronde Barber

These are just some of the older names I could think of

I'm sure you don't Hester as a WR but are listing him as such because of his positition title, I only mentioned him due to his talents as a returner. If we are mentioning Hester as a WR and not Roddy White, then SHAME ON YOU! lol I know Roddy White won't make it unless he keeps playing like he's played for the next 5 or 6 years, has an impressive playoff run and a ring though.

[Gmen4ever]

philly_phan74, on 30 December 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

If Eli gets in then Big Ben gets in as Well.

Not neccessarily. Does Ben have similar numbers?

[philly_phan74]

Gmen4ever, on 30 December 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Not neccessarily. Does Ben have similar numbers?

I think like 20 less TDS and a couple thousand less yards but QB rating of 90 somthing where Eli has an 82.

[philly_phan74]

TheSilence, on 30 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I'm sure you don't Hester as a WR but are listing him as such because of his positition title, I only mentioned him due to his talents as a returner. If we are mentioning Hester as a WR and not Roddy White, then SHAME ON YOU! lol I know Roddy White won't make it unless he keeps playing like he's played for the next 5 or 6 years, has an impressive playoff run and a ring though.

Not as a WR but as a Returner.

[stang8118]

I removed Aldon Smith because I shouldn't let my bias opinion of him being a stud allow him to be up against players that have done it for many years at such a high level.

Added Terrell Owens (not offically retired), Randy Moss, and Ronde Barber.

Jared Allen is also someone who could be on the verge. 116 sacks and 27 FF's.