48 replies to this topic

[tebin35]

First that comes to my mind is Maclin, worthless in run after catch unless there is no one that can touch him. Outside of that it is really so hard to tell unless you have access to game film. I really am curious to get some insight on this and don't just tell me DRC, Coleman, or Allen. They are givens to me and definitely deserve to be gone.

Also, who else agrees that Colt Anderson deserves a chance to start here next year? I have to say he is one guy that has shown some fight in his blood.

Comments please...

[terilyns]

I don't think Coleman has given up.  Kid plays hard he's just not good at all.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

I don't know that anyone "quit", they played hard in every game... for the most part. They just suffered too many key injuries and gave away too many turnovers without taking any away themselves.

Add to that the turmoil that started in training camp with Andy's son, continued to firing Juan, releasing Babin and then cutting the coaching cancer out... it was just all way too much to overcome.

It all actually traces back to Jason Peters double injury over the summer. 2012 was just destined to be a horrible year.

[OldEagle1960]

Strictly a guess, I feel Washburn "quit" when he circumvented what Juan was trying to do instead of following, he wanted to lead.  I thought he was a good soldier, but he didn't stay in line like Mudd did with Marty.

[AceofSpades]

To me it felt like they were going through the motions for most of the game. That doesn't just happen on Sundays that happens during the week. There was no sense of urgency, there was just a lack of emotion.

[tebin35]

I say some quit because we lost way to many games late and it seemed like the defense just deflated in the 2nd half. i chalk a lot of it up to coaching and the players losing faith but to me losing faith is never acceptable. I understand it but don't accept it. Not at this level and I also think Coleman played hard but i also sow him quit on some plays too...

Agreed Ace but who specifically or was it the whole damn D?

[AceofSpades]

tebin35, on 29 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

I say some quit because we lost way to many games late and it seemed like the defense just deflated in the 2nd half. i chalk a lot of it up to coaching and the players losing faith but to me losing faith is never acceptable. I understand it but don't accept it. Not at this level and I also think Coleman played hard but i also sow him quit on some plays too...

Agreed Ace but who specifically or was it the whole damn D?

I gotta say it was everybody. Not just the defense but the entire team stopped responding to Reid and the whole coaching staff.

[Utebird]

Maclin???? you mean the guy who has had 2 100 yard games in the last 3 scored the game winning td against the bucs scored another td in the loss last week, has been playing really well since foles took over, yeah that sounds like a guy that has quit, if thats quitting more player son the team need to follow maclin example and quit.

as for colt anderson, i like him as a backup and special teamer, he works real hard and is tough but he doesnt have the talent or ability to be a full time starter in my opinion, like terilyns said coleman never gave up he's just not very good.

player that i think gave up the day he was signed was Asomughua, guy has been useless since being here guy gave up as soon as he cashed his first check.

[Utebird]

AceofSpades, on 29 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I gotta say it was everybody. Not just the defense but the entire team stopped responding to Reid and the whole coaching staff.

i think you are pointing the finger at the wrong guy, i think everyone stopped responding to vick, early in mcnabbs career the team even the vets thought as long as they had 5 they had a chance of winning, ,mcnabb ignited that team and guys that were established vets followed his lead and believed in him and it worked the eagles under mcnabb and reid had alot of success.

i think the team lost faith in vick that he could carry the team and win games, instead they starting thinking they had to press harder to make up for vicks mistakes and turnovers.

then when players started dropping like flies, the compilation of vicks turnovers and so many injuries was too much to overcome.

[AceofSpades]

Utebird, on 29 December 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

i think you are pointing the finger at the wrong guy, i think everyone stopped responding to vick, early in mcnabbs career the team even the vets thought as long as they had 5 they had a chance of winning, ,mcnabb ignited that team and guys that were established vets followed his lead and believed in him and it worked the eagles under mcnabb and reid had alot of success.

i think the team lost faith in vick that he could carry the team and win games, instead they starting thinking they had to press harder to make up for vicks mistakes and turnovers.

then when players started dropping like flies, the compilation of vicks turnovers and so many injuries was too much to overcome.

I don't believe I am. Ultimately it all comes back to the head coach. He had to see the early struggles with the turnovers and all of that and the question is what did he do to try to cut down on the number of turnovers? What did he do to eliminate the turnovers and what did he do to get the rest of the team to pick it up so they didn't have to feel like they were pressing?

[djbigf]

no, i've only got 10 of them

[InfiniteSeriesN]

tebin35, on 29 December 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

First that comes to my mind is Maclin, worthless in run after catch unless there is no one that can touch him. Outside of that it is really so hard to tell unless you have access to game film. I really am curious to get some insight on this and don't just tell me DRC, Coleman, or Allen. They are givens to me and definitely deserve to be gone.

Also, who else agrees that Colt Anderson deserves a chance to start here next year? I have to say he is one guy that has shown some fight in his blood.

Comments please...

coleman? seriously? the one guy who most obviously never quit?

this pretty much tells me you don't what you're talking about here.

[Krukslonelyball]

lol Maclin. You guys are Fing idiots. He's only second in Eagle history in total yards in first 4 seasons. And he's had a retarded QB for the last 2. You guys really have no Fing clue about anything. You just want some retarded Fing narrative 24/7. Stop trying to find **** wrong all the time. Stop looking for stupid Fing narratives.

[Utebird]

AceofSpades, on 29 December 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

I don't believe I am. Ultimately it all comes back to the head coach. He had to see the early struggles with the turnovers and all of that and the question is what did he do to try to cut down on the number of turnovers? What did he do to eliminate the turnovers and what did he do to get the rest of the team to pick it up so they didn't have to feel like they were pressing?

i blame the team feeling like they had to press on lurie, he gave reid and the team and ultimatum, players felt like they had to play for reids job who had just lost his son, whom alot of the players were also close to. Alot of the players love reid, sure reid needs to take some of the blame for not being able to motivate the players, but if one want to lay blame at the top the top is lurie its his team. Maybe Lurie needs to take blame for making reid a lame duck after not firing him after last seasons disaster.

Thats who i blame for the whole mess, Lurie, too bad he cant fire himself.

[djbigf]

Krukslonelyball, on 29 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

lol Maclin. You guys are Fing idiots. He's only second in Eagle history in total yards in first 4 seasons.

that says more about how bad reid was at drafting wr's than how good jeremy charmin is

[Utebird]

djbigf, on 29 December 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

that says more about how bad reid was at drafting wr's than how good jeremy charmin is

yeah if reid was responsible for drafting every eagle WR in eagles history.

[djbigf]

Utebird, on 29 December 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

yeah if reid was responsible for drafting every eagle WR in eagles history.

in 14 years, he's drafted 2 half-decent ones.  not a good record.

[macgregor]

I have no way of knowing absolutely. But it appeared to me that what Washburn and Babin did was worse than quitting. They spread the kind of garbage around the locker room that was divisive and ultimately took the wind out of a lot of people's sails. Reid himself I think did enough bonehead moves as well that left a lot of players angry and confused. When your job is to win against roughly equal opponents, it doesn't take much to dull the edge. I doubt beside the 2 mentioned that anyone intentionally quit. They simply did not have their minds properly focused on winning.

[selassieyouth]

OldEagle1960, on 29 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Strictly a guess, I feel Washburn "quit" when he circumvented what Juan was trying to do instead of following, he wanted to lead.  I thought he was a good soldier, but he didn't stay in line like Mudd did with Marty.

Honestly, I don't think Mudd's system worked very well with Marty's either. And we have heard reports that Mudd and Wash had their own little thing going on here. I don't know how true any of these reports are. But it does seem clear that there was an issue in terms of all these trademarked "Systems" meshing for the betterment of this TEAM.

[Utebird]

djbigf, on 29 December 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

in 14 years, he's drafted 2 half-decent ones.  not a good record.

yet 2 good ones apparently is alot better than the majority of other eagles coaches throughout history.

how many good receivers did rhodes draft? chris t jones was al right but got hurt.

how about buddy ryan, kenny lackson in the first, cris carter whom was ok but a troubled drug addict. fred barnett was good and calvin williams was average at best. before that quick was drafted by who ever the coach was then, vermeil drafted carmichael, and before that tommy mcdonald was drafted.

so in the history of the eagles most coaches have drafted one good receiver in their tenure and a bunch of middle of the road or busts, yet reid drafts two good ones in maclin and jackson and apparently  even though thats more than every other eagles coach ever its just not as good as the rest.

[djbigf]

Utebird, on 29 December 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

yet 2 good ones apparently is alot better than the majority of other eagles coaches throughout history.

how many good receivers did rhodes draft? chris t jones was al right but got hurt.

how about buddy ryan, kenny lackson in the first, cris carter whom was ok but a troubled drug addict. fred barnett was good and calvin williams was average at best. before that quick was drafted by who ever the coach was then, vermeil drafted carmichael, and before that tommy mcdonald was drafted.

so in the history of the eagles most coaches have drafted one good receiver in their tenure and a bunch of middle of the road or busts, yet reid drafts two good ones in maclin and jackson and apparently  even though thats more than every other eagles coach ever its just not as good as the rest.

buddy ryan didn't draft kenny jackson.  marion campbell did.  he did, however, draft keith jackson, who was a better receiver than anyone andy reid's drafted.

vermeil drafted quick.  carmichael was drafted 5 years before he was hired.

in short, you're an idiot.  hope you leave the board when your hero andy does in 40 hours.

[Utebird]

djbigf, on 29 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

buddy ryan didn't draft jackson.  marion campbell did.

vermeil drafted quick.

in short, you're an idiot.  hope you leave the board when your hero andy does in 40 hours.

gotcha now that i know that vermiel drafted quick and cambell drafted jackson that totally makes your original post make sense.

[djbigf]

Utebird, on 29 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

gotcha now that i know that vermiel drafted quick and cambell drafted jackson that totally makes your original post make sense.

what would've made sense would've been your if father pulled out early.

[Utebird]

djbigf, on 29 December 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

what would've made sense would've been your if father pulled out early.

yup that would have made sense then i wouldnt be reading your idiotic posts.

[FlyinBrian36-20]

All i can say is nate allen is a complete bust. Please get rid of him for a bag of doritos.

[djbigf]

Utebird, on 29 December 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

yup that would have made sense then i wouldnt be reading your idiotic posts.

if your life means that little to you, then do us all a favor and off yourself

[Utebird]

djbigf, on 29 December 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

if your life means that little to you, then do us all a favor and off yourself

its not my life that means that little to me its your posts,and joking about making light or encouraging suicide, not cool.

[maggsgsr1]

djbigf, on 29 December 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

what would've made sense would've been your if father pulled out early.

Knockout blow

[craigj]

They all quit tackling, that's for sure. Until Babin was cut they didn't take Andy seriously at all. Juan was a joke, and they didn't believe in Mudd or Washburn.

[SirReal]

Who quit on the team?

The fanbase.