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[iluvdaeagles]

That isn't a good thing coming from one of your teams leaders in the locker room

this team has more serious problems then a HC and a QB

Heartless bunch of players

time is your....

[hpowner]

Something we all knew since last season.

[Iggles_Phan]

This is news?  I guess the fact that someone is saying it, but this is old news.  Blowing leads in the 4th quarter like they did last year was a pretty good sign of that.  The new coach (and hopefully, new GM) will have some serious housecleaning to do.

[axe_man_trotter]

Yup been know for a while now

[iluvdaeagles]

Iggles_Phan, on 30 December 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

This is news?  I guess the fact that someone is saying it, but this is old news.  Blowing leads in the 4th quarter like they did last year was a pretty good sign of that.  The new coach (and hopefully, new GM) will have some serious housecleaning to do.

year its going to take at least 2 years to flip this roster over

gotta bring in more guys who take pride in putting green on

[Sack that QB]

That's funny considering how much they value character. They can't seem to evaluate character or talent. I guess that is what happens when you have a lawyer running personnel.

[L.E.]

iluvdaeagles, on 30 December 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

That isn't a good thing coming from one of your teams leaders in the locker room

this team has more serious problems then a HC and a QB

Heartless bunch of players

time is your....

Yes, we know, you've been saying it over and over all day. But that's where it begins. The coach sets the character of the team and the QB is supposed to lead. This is where you begin to repair the damage.

[Iggles_Phan]

It starts somewhere.

[iluvdaeagles]

L.E., on 30 December 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Yes, we know, you've been saying it over and over all day. But that's where it begins. The coach sets the character of the team and the QB is supposed to lead. This is where you begin to repair the damage.

during much of the Reid era the DC lead the team on the sideline/booth and a S lead them on the field

you just need leaders and guys that play with heart

[BigEd76]

Vick just said the same thing to DGunn

[inhumanehuman]

It all starts with the coaching staff. Hopefully the birds can bring in someone who can really get this group of guys fired up about playing football. It can't be fun going out there every week with no passion.

[NOTW]

No kidding.  Vick has been blaming Mudd, the O line and in today's post game blamed the entire team and claimed he was still playing great and essentially made it sound like it's not his fault.

Avant shouldn't talk, last year he bashed the fans for not being more supportive of loss after loss of home games.

[H-field Hero]

Pretty bold statement coming from Avant.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

iluvdaeagles, on 30 December 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

That isn't a good thing coming from one of your teams leaders in the locker room

Not to mention one of the high character guys in the locker room.

[Iggles_Phan]

This team needed a guy like Dawkins, or Trotter or Vincent to lead the team.  The "leaders" on this team don't have the clout in the locker room of those guys.  Guys like Celek, McCoy, etc. just aren't going to be heard the same way as Dawkins, et al.  McCoy just isn't that fiery guy.  Celek doesn't have the elite status.  Big money guys like Nnamdi, etc aren't going to listen to guys like Avant, even though he's the type of guy we need more of.  He's Ike Reese but plays offense.  He's got a place in the league, but if he's your best leader, you've got a problem.

[EagleArcher20]

So WHO are we talking about? Before it was Sheldon Brown, Asante Samuel, Jason Babin, but who now? Mike Vick, Aso, DRC? Vick threw Mudd under the bus. Nnamdi has been horrible and seems to point the finger all the time. DRC seems to mail it in every week.

The only thing about Avants' statement is when a team is 4-12, there aren't going to be a lot of good attitudes. Especially when a lot of jobs are on the line.

[iluvdaeagles]

H-field Hero, on 30 December 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Pretty bold statement coming from Avant.

yup

Avant is very well respected in this locker room and for him to say this....smh

VaBeach_Eagle, on 30 December 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Not to mention one of the high character guys in the locker room.

agreed

[iinvincible]

Avant not good enough to hold meetings or say statements.

[iluvdaeagles]

EagleArcher20, on 30 December 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

So WHO are we talking about? Before it was Sheldon Brown, Asante Samuel, Jason Babin, but who now? Mike Vick, Aso, DRC? Vick threw Mudd under the bus. Nnamdi has been horrible and seems to point the finger all the time. DRC seems to mail it in every week.

The only thing about Avants' statement is when a team is 4-12, there aren't going to be a lot of good attitudes. Especially when a lot of jobs are on the line.

im looking at guys like DRC, 24, Nate Allen, Jenkins

lots of guys played the final 6 games with zero heart and passion and it showed

[Lloyd]

Sack that QB, on 30 December 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

That's funny considering how much they value character. They can't seem to evaluate character or talent. I guess that is what happens when you have a lawyer running personnel.

Valuing character worked when their drafts were successful and they were grooming their own guys with their own philosophy.  

Once the drafts failed, they had to reach out to hired guns and mercenaries who were just out to make a buck and not truly become a part of the culture in Philly.  Which is why you had a season full of people who stopped caring once the games stopped being fun for them.  A lot of these guys' personal pride isn't attached to the team because they don't associate themselves with it....beyond cashing the checks.

[PoconoDon]

Jason Avant is................correct.

[iluvdaeagles]

Jason says players were not responsible or accountable

says not everyone on the team fights..."you saw the tape"

"guys laid down"

"has to be corrected"

"has to be a total buy in from the players"

"we had dawk bwest and trotter.....maturity level is no longer here"

"young players have to mature"

[Sack that QB]

Lloyd, on 30 December 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Valuing character worked when their drafts were successful and they were grooming their own guys with their own philosophy.  

Once the drafts failed, they had to reach out to hired guns and mercenaries who were just out to make a buck and not truly become a part of the culture in Philly.  Which is why you had a season full of people who stopped caring once the games stopped being fun for them.  A lot of these guys' personal pride isn't attached to the team because they don't associate themselves with it....beyond cashing the checks.

I don't agree with that. Their best character guys were Dawkins(not a Reid draft pick), Trotter(not a Reid draft pick) Vincent(a signing) Runyan(a signing).

[jonnyeagles12]

His press conference was brilliant, he spoke the truth seriously.

[Lloyd]

Sack that QB, on 30 December 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

I don't agree with that. Their best character guys were Dawkins(not a Reid draft pick), Trotter(not a Reid draft pick) Vincent(a signing) Runyan(a signing).

Yes, we had a core foundation of guys like that which helped set the tone.  But even Westbrook, Sheldon, McNabb and Ike Reese took their jobs seriously enough to guide other players.

[DawkinsOwnage03]

Cutting Nnamdi, Allen, and Coleman make this team better.

[whodi.]

EagleArcher20, on 30 December 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

So WHO are we talking about?

This is what I'd like to know. My outsider guess would be Nnamdi, DRC, Vick, and maybe Maclin.

[DieHardPhan]

Old news.

[lb7]

Hopefully, they will do like the Rams did at the beginning of this year and throw all the low character trash out to the curb, starter or not.

[Sack that QB]

I wouldn't call McFlibb a character guy. He was a good person and got into no trouble and stuff, but so is Asomugha. On the field though, McFlibb was mentally soft. Westbrook was a very good character guy, I'll give you him. Sheldon and Ike Reese. Eh.... I guess. They didn't stand out as these amazing character guys. Well, maybe Ike Reese was, but he was a special teamer, so how much of an impact did it make since he was barely on the field?

I think their early success had more to do with talent and character at key positions and most of those guys were not Reid era draft picks.

But even so, I ripped Roseman in my initial post and Roseman didn't put together those early teams. I was mainly talking about the last 4 years.