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[CT Eagle]

Highest pick since McNabb...
With the gaping holes on the roster, do you think we will trade down ?

[L.E.]

Hopefully not. This team is in dire need of some absolute studs. We're not going to be in contention for a few years anyway so no hurry.

[james1345]

We definitely need to draft a tackle in the 1st round.

[russrock1]

I agree, stay put and grab a blue-chipper.
There is going to be a rebuilding here so do it with top-notch talent.

Hopefully the Eagles are done with blowing high-round picks now that Reid is gone.

[worldd15]

Just our luck that there is no game changer in this year's draft such as a Andrew Luck or RG3. I am pretty sure that the team has already decided to draft OT Luke Joekal (sp?) because it will be the safest pick.

[patpikunas]

CT Eagle, on 31 December 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Highest pick since McNabb...
With the gaping holes on the roster, do you think we will trade down ?

Trade back if you can and collect as many picks as possible. Purge the roster for more picks if possible and go as young as possible.

Play it to start competing again in 2014

[rsandy12]

L.E., on 31 December 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

Hopefully not. This team is in dire need of some absolute studs. We're not going to be in contention for a few years anyway so no hurry.

I don't believe that this statement is  necessarily true. If you can get a defensive staff that can take this roster and apply a shceme that matches the strengths of most of the players on the roster you can turn this around quickly. We do need corner help and a reevaluation of the front four. The thing that killed this season was the wide nine scheme. We kept too many d linemand and not enough depth on the o line to staff for this scheme and it killed us.

[badmeetsevil]

L.E., on 31 December 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

Hopefully not. This team is in dire need of some absolute studs. We're not going to be in contention for a few years anyway so no hurry.

In a league where teams turnaround in one off-season with a new coach and or QB?

Eagles are terrible but they aren't so far away that they need a total rebuild. Some players need to go, new talent needs to be infused, and obviously a new coach, style, and philosophy needs to be brought in. But they aren't years away, just the right moves away.

[BIGPHILLY]

Do not under any circumstance trade back. You start grabbing blue chip star players like Joeckel or Te'o right away.

[CT Eagle]

BIGPHILLY, on 31 December 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

Do not under any circumstance trade back. You start grabbing blue chip star players like Joeckel or Te'o right away.

or blue chippers like Vernon Gholston, Asron Curry, Tony Mandarich, and Levi Brown ?

I don't think Te'o or Joeckel are busts but you just never know !

[BigEd76]

It's not a great draft but they're in a spot where they're guaranteed Lotulelei, Te'o, Joeckel or Jarvis Jones (who is probably more of a 3-4 OLB anyway), so unless someone blows them away to leapfrog Detroit for Milliner, they shouldn't trade down.

[Rome]

The first four guys are elite players.  If they took any of those four I'd be thrilled but a guy like Joeckel only comes around once in a decade or so.  

I wouldn't be disappointed if they took Te'o, though.  He's a keeper and he's just the sort of ultra-productive player the defense sorely lacks.

[mav81]

CT Eagle, on 31 December 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Highest pick since McNabb...
With the gaping holes on the roster, do you think we will trade down ?

Trade down

[mjkvol]

I'd stay put unless I was blown away, and it isn't that kind of draft.       Regardless of who it is, anyone among these four - Lotulelei, Te'o, Joeckel, or Jones - would be fine with me.  

I rarely like to go OL in the 1st, but the idea of bookending Peters and Joeckel is pretty enticing, and would immediately make the OL a major strength.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 01 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I rarely like to go OL in the 1st, but the idea of bookending Peters and Joeckel is pretty enticing, and would immediately make the OL a major strength.

Howie extended King Dunlop 2 months ago dude......

[LacesOut]

Stay put and get that OL dude or that LB dude.

[patpikunas]

mjkvol, on 01 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I'd stay put unless I was blown away, and it isn't that kind of draft.    Regardless of who it is, anyone among these four - Lotulelei, Te'o, Joeckel, or Jones - would be fine with me.  

I rarely like to go OL in the 1st, but the idea of bookending Peters and Joeckel is pretty enticing, and would immediately make the OL a major strength.

I'd be shocked if Peters ever plays another down for the Eagles.... OLine needs to be a huge priority no matter who the coach is

[pgcd3]

I have a feeling they'll trade down. Joeckel will be gone

[CT Eagle]

pgcd3, on 01 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

I have a feeling they'll trade down. Joeckel will be gone

He isn't projected as top 3 but clearly it is very early.

[pgcd3]

CT Eagle, on 01 January 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

He isn't projected as top 3 but clearly it is very early.

nfldraftscout has Joeckel  #1, Lotulelei #2 and Jones #3 in one mock. Very early

[mjkvol]

pgcd3, on 01 January 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

nfldraftscout has Joeckel  #1, Lotulelei #2 and Jones #3 in one mock. Very early

If that played out and Te'o fell into our lap?     Fine with me.

What I want to avoid is reaching to fill a need or to be the smartest guy, but hopefully that has left the building with the rest of the cancer.

Just take the best guy in front of you, regardless of position.

[Highboy]

Almost every mock draft I've seen have us taking Joeckel. We need an elite offensive lineman. The only other pick at #4 I'd take is Manti Teo just because he's too talented to pass up on. Other than that, I want a tackle.

I'll actually be pissed if we trade down. I know we'd get more picks but this is a rare chance we haven't had in a long time to get a top elite blue chip draft prospect to build this team with.

[mjkvol]

I agree.     I hate picking OL this early, but from all accounts this kid is special.       I wouldn't be devastated to get Jarvis Jones either - we need aggressive playmakers on defense, and he definitely fits the bill.

I absolutely wouldn't trade down unless we were blown away, and it isn't that kind of draft.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 02 January 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

I agree. I hate picking OL this early, but from all accounts this kid is special.    I wouldn't be devastated to get Jarvis Jones either - we need aggressive playmakers on defense, and he definitely fits the bill.

I absolutely wouldn't trade down unless we were blown away, and it isn't that kind of draft.

Isn't Jones projected as a 3-4 olb ?  Although if he is BPA it won't matter to Howie assuming we stick with a 4-3 (which I think is likely).

All I want is McCoy, O'Brien, or Kelly as HC with Horton or Lovie as DC.....is that asking too much ?

[PhillyPhan13]

Other than the name I don't know much about Te'o.  It seems the teams picking him in the mock drafts are a 3-4 scheme.  What position would he play in a 4-3?  I'll all about adding the BPA, but to take a LB at 4 he needs to be an everydown Mike.  I don't see the weak or strong sides being worth the fourth overall pick in the draft.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 02 January 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Isn't Jones projected as a 3-4 olb ?  Although if he is BPA it won't matter to Howie assuming we stick with a 4-3 (which I think is likely).

All I want is McCoy, O'Brien, or Kelly as HC with Horton or Lovie as DC.....is that asking too much ?

I hate avoiding a big time playmaker because of 'projections'.     Jones is a playmaker, and I'd find a place for him in any system.

I don't see it happening with O'Brien, but agree with your choices.       If Horton goes anywhere, it will be as HC, and I wouldn't mind seeing him interviewed as well.      

Lovie's going to be a HC somewhere, with all these openings.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 02 January 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

I hate avoiding a big time playmaker because of 'projections'. Jones is a playmaker, and I'd find a place for him in any system.

I agree although they have to project if he will still be a big time playmaker within the system and then rate him accordingly.

You talked a lot about Reid putting square pegs into round holes.  While you can't compare Jones to Chris Clemmons or Chris Gocong...the scheme the player is in can't be ignored (Babbin, Kearse)

[badmeetsevil]

CT Eagle, on 02 January 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Isn't Jones projected as a 3-4 olb ?  Although if he is BPA it won't matter to Howie assuming we stick with a 4-3 (which I think is likely).

All I want is McCoy, O'Brien, or Kelly as HC with Horton or Lovie as DC.....is that asking too much ?

Agreed with your choices but I doubt Horton leaves one DC position for another unless its a significant raise. He should be a HC somewhere and not just the Roony rule interview. I wouldn't mind him be our next HC.

Lovie I am not sure about. Does he get another HC opportunity right away? Maybe in Buffalo but if he doesn't and he doesn't want to sit for a year or two I would love him as our DC.

What is everyone's opinions on the DC's from Seattle and San Francisco?

[CT Eagle]

badmeetsevil, on 02 January 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Agreed with your choices but I doubt Horton leaves one DC position for another unless its a significant raise. He should be a HC somewhere and not just the Roony rule interview. I wouldn't mind him be our next HC.

Lovie I am not sure about. Does he get another HC opportunity right away? Maybe in Buffalo but if he doesn't and he doesn't want to sit for a year or two I would love him as our DC.

What is everyone's opinions on the DC's from Seattle and San Francisco?

The guy from Syracuse is also supposedly on the Eagles' radar and looks to have the right qualifications fwiw...
I wish we had the Seahawks talent scouts....

If Horton is passed over for the HC job in Arizona, I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.  He isn't going to want to subject his defense to Reid or Heckert...
I don't know if the NFL is ready for a HC with corn roe's and braids.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 02 January 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

You talked a lot about Reid putting square pegs into round holes.  While you can't compare Jones to Chris Clemmons or Chris Gocong...the scheme the player is in can't be ignored (Babbin, Kearse)

Please, CT.

Taking an immense talent like Jarvis Jones and finding a place for what he does is not even in the same solar system as taking a guy like Gocong, who did nothing but rush the passer, and was a sack machine in college, and have him covering tight ends.    That's trying to put a round peg in a f****ng hexagonal hole.    Same with drafting an I-formation tailback who was dumb as a box of rocks and only knew how to carry the rock, and asking him to pick up blitzing LB's in a complicated (and f****ng warped) version of the WCO. That would be Ryan Moats.        Or asking another college tailback to learn how to play fullback.       Or......................................

Could you do me a favor?    I'm attempting to enjoy an off season for the first time in half a decade, so could we just forget the guy who left this place in a shambles?    Please?