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[CT Eagle]

birdsfan15, on 02 January 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Why did Lurie give Howie an extension? Because that's the way Lurie has operated this franchise since he bought it. Have you been paying no attention at all? This organization is a living, breathing embodiment of groupthink. Lurie is all about finding "his guys" that he's comfortable with and entrusting them with everything. That's why Reid was the coach and team president for as long as he was. That's why Joe Banner, with no football experience to speak of, was exclusively in charge of negotiating contracts and allowed to let fan favorites like Trotter and Dawkins walk in disrespectful and embarrassing fashion. That's why Howard Roseman, again with no football experience to speak of, rose through the ranks until he eventually became the general manager. It's all about finding a group of company yes men who buy into the "system" and are worthy of Lurie's trust.

I also love the "learning on the job" comment about Roseman, and how you completely overlook the complete and utter absurdity of a general manager "learning on the job". Normal, well-run organizations do not operate like this.

Reid was a OL coach and a qb coach Lurie hired him as a HC...very little experience to be hired as a HC
Banner had zero football experience
You may not like Reid or Banner but they both had significant successes here
Howie has been with the team for 12 years....Lurie seems to love him...obviously he needs to be comfortable with the people he entrusts to run the team
I wanted a seasoned personnel guy but it isn't happening....I have to trust Lurie here and hope it works out

[Hank_TheBody_Fraley]

CT Eagle, on 02 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Hank....you think Lurie is allowing Howie to be a GM for financial reasons ?

I know nothing makes me feel better than taking a swim in my vault...

[CT Eagle]

Hank_TheBody_Fraley, on 03 January 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

I know nothing makes me feel better than taking a swim in my vault...

How about being saluted during a parade down Broad Street and being forever loved by the city of Philadelphia ?
Lurie is a very wealthy guy.  Anyone willing to pay Nnamdi 60mm over 5 years with 25mm guaranteed thinking he would get the team over the hump isn't going to quibble over paying for a top GM.  The money he pays Howie vs what he saves with Banner gone is more than enough to cover any top football exec.

[birdsfan15]

CT Eagle, on 02 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

Reid was a OL coach and a qb coach Lurie hired him as a HC...very little experience to be hired as a HC
Banner had zero football experience
You may not like Reid or Banner but they both had significant successes here
Howie has been with the team for 12 years....Lurie seems to love him...obviously he needs to be comfortable with the people he entrusts to run the team
I wanted a seasoned personnel guy but it isn't happening....I have to trust Lurie here and hope it works out

I'm not talking about Reid or Banner, I'm talking about Roseman. I don't think Banner had any success unless you're Jeffrey Lurie's wallet. Reid's success is debatable. Either way, they have nothing to do with Roseman. Roseman is a paper-pushing yes man who rose through the organizational ranks with no football experience to speak of. A well-run organization does not make him general manager, period. He has done absolutely nothing to lead anyone to believe that he is competent. Lurie is simply horrified of cleaning house and bringing in outsiders.

[CT Eagle]

birdsfan15, on 03 January 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

I'm not talking about Reid or Banner, I'm talking about Roseman. I don't think Banner had any success unless you're Jeffrey Lurie's wallet. Reid's success is debatable. Either way, they have nothing to do with Roseman. Roseman is a paper-pushing yes man who rose through the organizational ranks with no football experience to speak of. A well-run organization does not make him general manager, period. He has done absolutely nothing to lead anyone to believe that he is competent. Lurie is simply horrified of cleaning house and bringing in outsiders.

Lurie clearly think he is very capable and that is all that matters.  People do rise through the ranks.  Clearly if Roseman was just a yes man he should have been gone with Reid or Banner.  I don't know why you think "Lurie is simply horrified of cleaning house and bringing in outsiders".  I guess you are privy to some inside information.

[birdsfan15]

Why wouldn't anyone who has followed this organization over the past 15 years think that? The entire organizational structure is based on hiring within and not from outside the organization. I guess you missed that memo.

[CT Eagle]

birdsfan15, on 03 January 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Why wouldn't anyone who has followed this organization over the past 15 years think that? The entire organizational structure is based on hiring within and not from outside the organization. I guess you missed that memo.

  Good organizations groom their employees and promote from within and add strategic hires from outside when applicable.  Just like you build a football team through the draft and try to add key free agents.  I guess you missed that class in business school.

[birdsfan15]

Yeah, because what you learn in business school is perfectly analogous to running an NFL franchise. God, you're delusional.

[CT Eagle]

birdsfan15, on 04 January 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Yeah, because what you learn in business school is perfectly analogous to running an NFL franchise. God, you're delusional.

He was a 12 year employee that moved up through the ranks and had gained experience on several fronts.  Obviously he has proved his worth to Banner and Lurie.
There is more than one way to skin the cat.   He isn't holding onto Howie because he is afraid to bring in an outsider.  That is just stupid and ignorant.

[birdsfan15]

CT Eagle, on 04 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

He was a 12 year employee that moved up through the ranks and had gained experience on several fronts.  Obviously he has proved his worth to Banner and Lurie.
There is more than one way to skin the cat.   He isn't holding onto Howie because he is afraid to bring in an outsider.  That is just stupid and ignorant.

You saying what is of importance and worth to Lurie isn't strengthening your argument, it's strengthening mine. Of course Roseman is valuable to Lurie. He's valuable to Lurie because he's a loyal company man whom Lurie is comfortable with, and who offers one less outside hire for Lurie to make.

You're obviously never going to get it, and nothing I'm going to say is going to change that. Agree to disagree.

[CT Eagle]

birdsfan15, on 04 January 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

You saying what is of importance and worth to Lurie isn't strengthening your argument, it's strengthening mine. Of course Roseman is valuable to Lurie. He's valuable to Lurie because he's a loyal company man whom Lurie is comfortable with, and who offers one less outside hire for Lurie to make.

You're obviously never going to get it, and nothing I'm going to say is going to change that. Agree to disagree.

  Lurie wants the HC to report directly to him not the GM and Lurie wants to decide who coaches the team.  Clearly the Eagles structure divides power between the GM and the HC and that is how Lurie wants it.  Lurie doesn't want to give either of them too much control.
Lurie thinks Howie is the best guy for this job and we'll see if he is right or not.  For you to say this is about solely about comfort or not making outside hires is pure conjecture.
If you don''t like the way Lurie structures his organization that is fine.  For you to say that he is doing it the wrong way is  arrogant.

We can agree to disagree.

[patpikunas]

birdsfan15, on 04 January 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

He's valuable to Lurie because he's a loyal company man whom Lurie is comfortable with, and who offers one less outside hire for Lurie to make.

This describes the situation well from my POV....
Jeff's an insecure guy and needs people like Howie around him.

The whole PR mumbo jumbo about only fair to judge him on the 2012 draft and ignoring the other drafts, free agents and other personnel decisions was very carefully scripted.

[birdsfan15]

patpikunas, on 04 January 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

This describes the situation well from my POV....
Jeff's an insecure guy and needs people like Howie around him.

The whole PR mumbo jumbo about only fair to judge him on the 2012 draft and ignoring the other drafts, free agents and other personnel decisions was very carefully scripted.

Exactly. Anyone who actually believes everything Lurie says is a certifiable moron. He's a first-class BS artist.

CT Eagle, on 04 January 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

  Lurie wants the HC to report directly to him not the GM and Lurie wants to decide who coaches the team.  Clearly the Eagles structure divides power between the GM and the HC and that is how Lurie wants it.  Lurie doesn't want to give either of them too much control.
Lurie thinks Howie is the best guy for this job and we'll see if he is right or not.  For you to say this is about solely about comfort or not making outside hires is pure conjecture.
If you don''t like the way Lurie structures his organization that is fine.  For you to say that he is doing it the wrong way is  arrogant.

We can agree to disagree.

It's not conjecture if it's based off of nearly 20 years of organizational structure and decision-making.