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[stang8118]

Pastor Troy, on 01 January 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Comments like this ..is why the rooney rule must be kept



You are too daft to know the point of the video.....

Well you're agenda is pretty obvious. No need to even have a discussion with you.

[hukdonfoniks]

how about, the best man wins the job and people stop getting antsy about what pigment the person's skin is.

[christsmith99]

stang8118, on 01 January 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Well you're agenda is pretty obvious. No need to even have a discussion with you.

Obviously

[Raven115]

christsmith99, on 01 January 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Maybe, just maybe, non minorities are better at coaching and minorities are better at playing the game

oh boy...

[VaBeach_Eagle]

It's an unenforceable rule. It's all for PR and PC Feel Good.

[The_Talon]

RedZoneD25, on 01 January 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

I think the Rooney Rule is insulting to minorities, because the question that a minority coach now has in their head for the duration of this rule is: a) Am I getting interviewed because I'm a great option to lead a team? or b) Am I the token guy and wasting my time?

For perspective's sake, I'm white, but ideally the skin color would be a non-factor in comparison to the ability to achieve goals with confidence and the resiliency to fall back on should issues arise. Maybe I'm just naïve and still living in the ideal concept of human progression but it bugs me that as a country we have yet to truly move past this issue, which extends to the NFL via the Rooney Rule.

I am in full agreement with the mindset that a team should not be forced to have a pity interview (which is how I feel the rule comes across) if they have a decisive target in mind for a job. If he's white, he's white. If he's not, he's not. If you make decisions in any phase of life with that little research or effort, you've already lost anyway.

excellent. That was my point. It's just as racist to hire someone (or interview) because he/she is black than it is to NOT hire or interview them because they are black.

[Gmen4ever]

hukdonfoniks, on 01 January 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

how about, the best man wins the job and people stop getting antsy about what pigment the person's skin is.

If we had that, the stigma known as racism would take a big hit. People get antsy because they still believe it's "us against them", and it's not limited to just one race.

It really is incredibly embarrassing to think that it still happens.

[xzmattzx]

I can think of a third option where an exemption is made: when a minority candidate has been requested to come in for an interview, and declines.  If the Eagles decide to interview Tony Dungy, and he declines, and then the Eagles interview Chip Kelly and he is the guy that they want, then why should the Eagles be penalized because one of their candidates was not interested?

I wonder what would happen if a team made a mockery of the Rooney Rule.  What if the Cardinals decide to hire Andy Reid right out of the gate, but they need to satisfy the Rooney Rule.  Can they interview a Black high school football coach?  Can they interview a Black Human Resources Manager?

[JustAnotherEaglesFan]

Pastor Troy, on 01 January 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Probably the dumbest comment so far......who cares if its an inner city black sport....only in america would u hear stupid comments like this....basketball is an american sport period....where u place race upon it ...that shows your dimwitted mentality.

The whole world plays basketball.

[HaroldTheSecond]

I've always advocated - and still do - the following exception to the Rooney Rule:

Any team that finished 6-10 or worse in the just-concluded season, and hires a head coach who has previously taken an NFL team at least as far as the conference championship game at least once as a head coach, shall be exempt.

[Marinomanx013]

Gmen4ever, on 01 January 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

I find the whole process to be degrading and humiliating. If I'm looking to hire someone, and I have my sights set on the man/woman that I want to hire, the fact that I have to waste my time, and infinitely worse someone elses time, interviewing someone I wont be hiring, is a slap in the face to all involved. We'll never get beyond the racist bull**** that still permeates our society as long as ish like this continues. We're all human beings. The fact that owners are required to give a conciliatory interview, for no other reason than skin color, is embarrassing. All it does is feed into the racism, and stands as a constant reminder that it's still alive and well in 2013.

God, this response is perfect. Hits EVERY point I was going to make. Well done, rival fan.

[Marinomanx013]

And yeah, I don't even think it's needed anymore. I'll agree that the rule carried out its purpose when it was initially established, but I don't think this is because it was a "rule"; rather, I think it was because the rule acted as an appeal for a change in mentality. We can NOT (read: can NOT ((reread: CAN NOT))) fully eliminate racism, to whatever extent such a thing is possible, with a law... it needs to be a culture change. I think the Rooney Rule effectively opened the eyes of many and now it is much more degrading and insulting than it is progressive. It may be helpful, but it's help being went about in the wrong way. Racists will hire people based on skin color regardless of what some law says. We need to change people at the human level rather than at the pseudo-legislative level. That's why when slavery was first abolished, there was still (and maybe still is, I don't know) rampant discrimination in parts of the country until the times of MLK. It wasn't until that culture change was brought about that we got to the root of the problem.

[EaglesFan#81]

I like the exceptions but the Rooney Rule I thought was to give people of color a chance at going throught the interview process not just a token interview.  We all have been through interviews - it is tough and preparation is the key to getting a job - I have been up against people with better initials after their name but I was given the job because of they way I presented and how prepared I was for the discussion.  I say leave the rule alone - the NFL has more to fix - If the process helps prepare a person for that job or another it has worked.

Is there any disagreement that the Rooneys and the Maras are NFL royalty?  Where would this league be without them?  I hope we can say that about the Lurie's one day.  Say what you want about JL but I do believe he cares and I admire that he stays out of they way of his coaches and that he only speaks at the beginning of the year and the end.  The only time I ever remember seeing the Rooney's or Mara's was when they were given the Lombardi to hold.  Lurie is a lot like them he just needs to get that trophy.

[SP]

I'm just sick of the reverse racism. In trying to erase "racism by whites", we're now doing the exact opposite to them.  How many times do you hear "we need to get more black youth interested in baseball" compared to "we need to get more white youth interested in basketball"?

Exactly.  Same principle here.  There are plenty of black coaches I would take simply because they are good coaches, NOT because of their skin color (Lovie Smith, Mike Singletary, etc.).  In a society where 72% of the citizens are white, why is it acceptable that only 31% of the NFL player population is white?  Why is it acceptable that only 17% of NBA players are white?


Did you know the NBA got an "A+" for diversity?   So "diversity" apparently means "colored" now.  Hmm...



Seven out of the last 10 Super Bowl teams have had either an African-American head coach or general manager: coaches Tony Dungy (Colts), Lovie Smith (Bears), Mike Tomlin (Steelers, twice) and Jim Caldwell (Colts) and GMs Jerry Reese (Giants) and Rod Graves (Cardinals).  These people have proved themselves.  And you know what?  I don't think of them as black or other; they're good coaches and good GMs.  That's the only criteria that should matter.


Here's a question: How come there hasn't been a female coach in the NFL? Where's the uproar over that? Same principle, no?  Or, again, does diversity only mean black????

[Innocence096]

I like how Tomlin is pointed out as this great success story of the Rooney rule. I mean it might just be me but I think it is quite the coincidence that he was
"overlooked" by all organizations including the steelers but the owners used the rule that is named after them to help find their man. I think they had their eye on him the entire time and it made no difference if the rule was there or not, Tomlin was getting the job.

[Pastor Troy]

SP, on 02 January 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

I'm just sick of the reverse racism. In trying to erase "racism by whites", we're now doing the exact opposite to them.  How many times do you hear "we need to get more black youth interested in baseball" compared to "we need to get more white youth interested in basketball"?

Exactly.  Same principle here.  There are plenty of black coaches I would take simply because they are good coaches, NOT because of their skin color (Lovie Smith, Mike Singletary, etc.).  In a society where 72% of the citizens are white, why is it acceptable that only 31% of the NFL player population is white?  Why is it acceptable that only 17% of NBA players are white?


Did you know the NBA got an "A+" for diversity?   So "diversity" apparently means "colored" now.  Hmm...



Seven out of the last 10 Super Bowl teams have had either an African-American head coach or general manager: coaches Tony Dungy (Colts), Lovie Smith (Bears), Mike Tomlin (Steelers, twice) and Jim Caldwell (Colts) and GMs Jerry Reese (Giants) and Rod Graves (Cardinals).  These people have proved themselves.  And you know what?  I don't think of them as black or other; they're good coaches and good GMs.  That's the only criteria that should matter.


Here's a question: How come there hasn't been a female coach in the NFL? Where's the uproar over that? Same principle, no?  Or, again, does diversity only mean black????

The ability of playing sports is not a black and white thing.....talent speak louder than anything else....it was talent that led dirk nowitzki from germany to win the NBA mvp and NBA championship......nobody is blocking the gate of entry.....

[CMPunk]

christsmith99, on 01 January 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Maybe, just maybe, non minorities are better at coaching and minorities are better at playing the game

I bet you're one of those clowns who get off on the accomplishments of random white guys when the only thing you have in common with them is skin pigmentation.

[SP]

Pastor Troy, on 02 January 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

The ability of playing sports is not a black and white thing.....talent speak louder than anything else....it was talent that led dirk nowitzki from germany to win the NBA mvp and NBA championship......nobody is blocking the gate of entry.....

Nobody is blocking the gate of entry to coaching either. Or for young black boys to gain interest in baseball.  It's a culture led by other black people that streamline most young black people to basketball and football, not white people.  Because, according to you, white people would rather see just white people play, right?  Hmm...

Way to ignore my entire post that was filled with facts... Wonder if you'd do the same on your actual tag?

[KzEaglefan86]

Pastor Troy, on 01 January 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Who cares if blacks represent 13% of the united states.....they were in this country even before the usa was a country....they shouldn't be viewed just as another minority (latinos, asians)....

Its not the % that matters its the culture....the same culture that finally let jackie robinson into baseball in the 40s....paving ways for others to follow....if we can do that to players we can do that to coaches.....and general managers and such.

"shouldn't be viewed as just another minority (latinos, asians)" read that back to yourself.  Should blacks be held in higher esteem than those other minorities?

It's blatantly obvious that one person in this thread is fixated on race.

[Pastor Troy]

KzEaglefan86, on 03 January 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

"shouldn't be viewed as just another minority (latinos, asians)" read that back to yourself.  Should blacks be held in higher esteem than those other minorities?

It's blatantly obvious that one person in this thread is fixated on race.

Obviously you are too daft to know what i mean by that statement