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[dilluminati]

Reading over some of the comments from the post season locker room I have to personally wonder if the Desean Jackson contract was the right message at the right time?  

Did Desean give 100%?
In his own words he claims not:



Ok here are the details

Looking at the details of the Philadelphia Eagles' new contract with DeSean Jackson, it looks pretty favorable for the team. As I understand it, the base value of the deal is $47 million over five years, with escalators that could push it as high as $51 million if he plays all five years and meets them all. It also includes $15 million in fully guaranteed money and an additional $3 million in injury guarantees. Of the $15 million guaranteed, he gets $14.75 million in the first two years.

Per a league source, Jackson gets a $10 million signing bonus and a $750,000 base salary in 2012. He gets a $6.75 million base salary in 2013, and $4 million of that is fully guaranteed while the rest is guaranteed only against injury. Of his $10.25 million 2014 salary, only $250,000 is fully guaranteed and $250,000 is guaranteed against injury. He's eligible for a $250,000 workout bonus in each year of the deal, and his base salaries for the final two years are not guaranteed.

And then folks here you have the results:

http://espn.go.com/n.../desean-jackson

45 receptions, 700 yards, 2 TD and one Fumble

he is ranked 55 in WR's

DeSean Jackson Admits He Was Scared of Getting Hurt, So Didn’t Give Full Effort

http://blacksportson...ve-full-effort/

Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson has told ESPN’s Lisa Salters that he didn’t play as hard as he could in 2011, because he was afraid of getting injured.
“I let it get to me, even though I tried not to let it. I was trying to protect myself from getting hurt — now I’m just giving it all,” said Jackson.

I cannot imagine watching this guy get a contract after his effort had anything positive to add to the locker room.

Oh and Demetrius Bell and Bobby April also deserve allot of credit for an epic failure of a season

[NCTANK]

one good side of making a coaching change is that the half-steppers wont have the "good ol' boy" safety net around when they need some place to hide and slide. a new staff must prove themselves in order to keep their own jobs and will not tolerate anything less than 100%. that is clear motivation to jetison the million dollar babies and frauds. lets see who pans out and who doesnt.

[eagles nut]

I'd agree before this season. Before he got hurt though, I didn't notice any effort issues with Jackson this year. Didn't drop a pass this season and at least tried to block.

[dilluminati]

eagles nut, on 01 January 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'd agree before this season. Before he got hurt though, I didn't notice any effort issues with Jackson this year. Didn't drop a pass this season and at least tried to block.

I gave you a like post because you make my argument, when you consider the argument
This guy was never worth the money and had one freak play in the meadowlands, but when you look at his rankings for the last two years somebody had to be on drugs, either Howie or Andy to have signed this guy for that amount of drama and money

[Iggles_Phan]

eagles nut, on 01 January 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'd agree before this season. Before he got hurt though, I didn't notice any effort issues with Jackson this year. Didn't drop a pass this season and at least tried to block.

I've never seen this effort, really.  Granted he's small, but that's part of the problem.  He is not an elite WR.  He's a one trick pony.  He is very similar to Devin Hester in terms of what he brings to an offense.  He should still be returning punts.  That's where his TRUE value to this team is evident.  I'm not one of those that thinks we should protect him by keeping him off the ST unit.  He made his mark in the league on ST and is still the most dangerous weapon on ST this team has (basically the ONLY threat).  He's not that good at WR, and disappears in the red zone.  His place in an offense is from 20-20, which is why this team can go up and down the field, but can't score in the red zone.

[NCTANK]

Iggles_Phan, on 01 January 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

I've never seen this effort, really.  Granted he's small, but that's part of the problem.  He is not an elite WR.  He's a one trick pony.  He is very similar to Devin Hester in terms of what he brings to an offense.  He should still be returning punts.  That's where his TRUE value to this team is evident.  I'm not one of those that thinks we should protect him by keeping him off the ST unit.  He made his mark in the league on ST and is still the most dangerous weapon on ST this team has (basically the ONLY threat).  He's not that good at WR, and disappears in the red zone.  His place in an offense is from 20-20, which is why this team can go up and down the field, but can't score in the red zone.

good call

[dilluminati]

I'm watching Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, and other WR's with size and speed: and what did the Eagles do?
Signed a kid with questionable commitment to a multi year contract who by either size, scheme, or heart has for two years straight been rated 24th in 2011, ranked 55th in 2012

The question I would like to know was what was seen in Seattle on national TV that led Howie/Andy to sign this kid to this contract?
How can you expect somebody to watch his performance and pay and not question effort?

Even if you try and make the argument that "when he isn't injured" he plays average I'm not seeing the passion and instead a huge roster mistake

http://espn.go.com/n...3215/dez-bryant

Dez Bryant gets 5-year, $11.8 million contract with Cowboys

Dez ranked #3 as WR

My point in all of this is that this was a HORRIBLE decision and is as bad as the 2011 draft

[biglou22]

eagles nut, on 01 January 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'd agree before this season. Before he got hurt though, I didn't notice any effort issues with Jackson this year. Didn't drop a pass this season and at least tried to block.

1st - Endless players waiting on new contracts don't give 100% efforts until the contract is final. Hell that's been going on ever since big money started being handed out to these athletes.
Not saying it's right. It's sadly just a fact of football. So Jackson is the norm, not the oddity.
2nd -  There was ABSOLUTELY ZERO issue with his effort this year. Zero, Ziltch, Nada

He will be back, as will Maclin and both will almost 100% certain remain Eagles for most of their careers.

[joegus]

dilluminati, on 01 January 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

I'm watching Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, and other WR's with size and speed: and what did the Eagles do?
Signed a kid with questionable commitment to a multi year contract who by either size, scheme, or heart has for two years straight been rated 24th in 2011, ranked 55th in 2012

The question I would like to know was what was seen in Seattle on national TV that led Howie/Andy to sign this kid to this contract?
How can you expect somebody to watch his performance and pay and not question effort?

Even if you try and make the argument that "when he isn't injured" he plays average I'm not seeing the passion and instead a huge roster mistake

Jackson's signing goes along with Andy's philosophy of high speed midgets. He was going to beat the league with speed. Again, another mind numbing mistake on his part. It may have worked when the players bought into it and the NFC East was weak, but that hasn't been the case in the last eight years.

[biglou22]

dilluminati, on 01 January 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

I'm watching Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, and other WR's with size and speed: and what did the Eagles do?
Signed a kid with questionable commitment to a multi year contract who by either size, scheme, or heart has for two years straight been rated 24th in 2011, ranked 55th in 2012

The question I would like to know was what was seen in Seattle on national TV that led Howie/Andy to sign this kid to this contract?
How can you expect somebody to watch his performance and pay and not question effort?

Even if you try and make the argument that "when he isn't injured" he plays average I'm not seeing the passion and instead a huge roster mistake

Dez is the ultimate QUESTIONABLE COMMITMENT GUY. Hell, if not for his final few weeks of great play there was a GREAT and LIKELY possibility that he would NOT have been back with the Cowboys next year becuase of his antics and COMMITMENT.

And please, why do you people always try to compare what the Eagles have with freaks of nature talent like a Calvin Johnson.
Players like him are not only HOF material, but come around about once every friggen decade.
Live in reality.

[Iggles_Phan]

Which is why he's gone.  WRs got bigger and he went the other way... meanwhile our DBs couldn't match up with the physicality of the larger WRs, or tackle them either for that matter.  Meanwhile Maclin and Jackson just go down on their own when they think the run is over.  Frustrating, really to watch!!!

[dilluminati]

joegus, on 01 January 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Jackson's signing goes along with Andy's philosophy of high speed midgets. He was going to beat the league with speed. Again, another mind numbing mistake on his part. It may have worked when the players bought into it and the NFC East was weak, but that hasn't been the case in the last eight years.

I was late on the fire andy wagon but was onboard when he gave this kid the contract, this was in my perspective the moment andy thought DJ was his troubled son or something, or andy lived in a fantasy world, but the draft and management of the team is as much an issue as the coach..

I mean honest up.. Desean did not deliver, did not play to his potential, and as a testament to the stupidity of the team was injured on a running play when we had more than capable RB's that were not running the ball.

Just a point that the gimmick teams don't succeed, that blue-collar, smash mouth football wins games, and that a midget with speed was not worth that payday

biglou22, on 01 January 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Dez is the ultimate QUESTIONABLE COMMITMENT GUY. Hell, if not for his final few weeks of great play there was a GREAT and LIKELY possibility that he would NOT have been back with the Cowboys next year becuase of his antics and COMMITMENT.

And please, why do you people always try to compare what the Eagles have with freaks of nature talent like a Calvin Johnson.
Players like him are not only HOF material, but come around about once every friggen decade.
Live in reality.

Dez taped the fingers together and played, he is ranked third in the NFL at ESPN as WR's in the league, he isn't a midget, if you want to hug Deseans nuts well ok.. I was talking about the $ and year contracts and how we are paying way to much for a WR.

[biglou22]

Iggles_Phan, on 01 January 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Which is why he's gone.  WRs got bigger and he went the other way... meanwhile our DBs couldn't match up with the physicality of the larger WRs, or tackle them either for that matter.  Meanwhile Maclin and Jackson just go down on their own when they think the run is over. Frustrating, really to watch!!!

YACs per reception:

D.Jackson = 5.4 yds
J.Maclin = 4.3 yds
C.Johnson = 4.2 yds.

Hmmmmm ????

[Mike P]

biglou22, on 01 January 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

YACs per reception:

D.Jackson = 5.4 yds
J.Maclin = 4.3 yds
C.Johnson = 4.2 yds.

Hmmmmm ????

Are you really going to argue that Maclin doesn't avoid contact?

[biglou22]

dilluminati, on 01 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I was late on the fire andy wagon but was onboard when he gave this kid the contract, this was in my perspective the moment andy thought DJ was his troubled son or something, or andy lived in a fantasy world, but the draft and management of the team is as much an issue as the coach..

I mean honest up.. Desean did not deliver, did not play to his potential, and as a testament to the stupidity of the team was injured on a running play when we had more than capable RB's that were not running the ball.

Just a point that the gimmick teams don't succeed, that blue-collar, smash mouth football wins games, and that a midget with speed was not worth that payday

Dez taped the fingers together and played, he is ranked third in the NFL at ESPN as WR's in the league, he isn't a midget, if you want to hug Deseans nuts well ok.. I was talking about the $ and year contracts and how we are paying way to much for a WR.

Great that you CAN'T comprehend what I was saying. But that's OK. I'll try again.
Again,,,,,,,,,,, Because of DEZ's antics and commitment over the last couple of seasons Jerry Jones made it perfectly clear a couple of months ago that unless something changed they might very well be would be moving in another direction from DEZ.
All I was referencing was the fact that you were mentioning COMMITMENT and DEZs name in the same sentence which was rather commical since a player like Dez with likely more talent then any WR in the NFL (excluding CJ),  has/had a MAJOR issue with commitment.

It seems pretty basic to me.

[#99]

I'm not sure why everyone assumes its DJ thats being thrown under the bus.  Maybe they're talking about Vick, Aso, DRC?

Maybe they're talking about Dorenbos, Reynolds and McBriar?

We have no idea what players they are talking about, because what they are talking about happened mostly in practice and the locker.  Everyone here has watched every game and still has no idea which players looked like they quit.  The easy thing to do is blame the guys the balls around.  The DB are easy targets.  Did they quit or is that just how they play?

The Quit could be happening in the lines on both sides, on D where DL and LB let their blocks hold them so they don't have to get dirty.

Stop speculating on the names you are hoping it will be.

[dilluminati]

biglou22, on 01 January 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Great that you CAN'T comprehend what I was saying. But that's OK. I'll try again.
Again,,,,,,,,,,, Because of DEZ's antics and commitment over the last couple of seasons Jerry Jones made it perfectly clear a couple of months ago that unless something changed they might very well be would be moving in another direction from DEZ.
All I was referencing was the fact that you were mentioning COMMITMENT and DEZs name in the same sentence which was rather commical since a player like Dez with likely more talent then any WR in the NFL (excluding CJ),  has/had a MAJOR issue with commitment.

It seems pretty basic to me.

Dez is a head case with his mother and all, but still the guy was 3rd in WR and when you compare that with Desean at ranked 55 you have to admit that both these two players have way to much drama and that the number of TD's between the two is significant 12 versus 1

[biglou22]

Mike P, on 01 January 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Are you really going to argue that Maclin doesn't avoid contact?

Nope, not at all.

But what I will argue is that in this day and age, WRs avoiding contact is sadly the norm in MOST cases.
Yes, we watch Maclin and Jackson do that frequently. But I suggest you watch the rest of the NFL.
Calvin Johnson does it. L.Fitzgerald does it. Almost all WRs do it.
Now does jackson and maclin do it more often then those guys ??? Yep. Absolutely.
But seriously, watch the playoffs and check out the avoidance of contact by WRs. It is off the chart.
And granted, yes regardless of who the WR is,,, even Jackson and Maclin,,, at some point ALL WRs put there head down and try to get an extra yard.
But man, that is a rare happening with WRs anymore.

[dilluminati]

#99, on 01 January 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

I'm not sure why everyone assumes its DJ thats being thrown under the bus.  Maybe they're talking about Vick, Aso, DRC?

Maybe they're talking about Dorenbos, Reynolds and McBriar?

We have no idea what players they are talking about, because what they are talking about happened mostly in practice and the locker.  Everyone here has watched every game and still has no idea which players looked like they quit.  The easy thing to do is blame the guys the balls around.  The DB are easy targets.  Did they quit or is that just how they play?

The Quit could be happening in the lines on both sides, on D where DL and LB let their blocks hold them so they don't have to get dirty.

Stop speculating on the names you are hoping it will be.

Oh please stop, guy makes 10 million and gets one TD for the season, enough said: EPIC FAIL, another Andy Reid failure, I bet Howie wasn't responsible for the dumb @zz decision

[#99]

Dez Bryant finished the season among the elite WR in the league.  If you didn't realize he was one of the best players in the league down the stretch, then you weren't watching enough of the league.  When they get a better QB and build a better group of leaders around him, because he isn't going to be one anytime soon, then he will ascend even further.  Dez is a beast.

[whodi.]

eagles nut, on 01 January 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'd agree before this season. Before he got hurt though, I didn't notice any effort issues with Jackson this year. Didn't drop a pass this season and at least tried to block.

I agree with this. My love for D-Jax took a big hit last year, but this year I regained my respect. The guy definitely gave full effort this season and was visibly aggravated with how the team was playing. I think this a rare case of a player pouting for a contract and then actually working his tail off after he got it.

[#99]

dilluminati, on 01 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Oh please stop, guy makes 10 million and gets one TD for the season, enough said: EPIC FAIL, another Andy Reid failure, I bet Howie wasn't responsible for the dumb @zz decision

You are grouping his short comings as a player with effort.  There was no problem with his effort as far as anyone can see, this year.  Why do you care how much he is paid?  Are you happy with what Jenkins did for his money?  If not, why isn't he in your rant too?

He's a small explosive WR, theres a place in this league for him and I'm not here to put a price tag on it.  Maybe he was misused by the coach that just got fired?

[slick19702]

ok I posted this yesterday...  all I heard is he was injured last 5 games and was going to have a good season...  what happened???

[Tumtum]

This was common knowledge before he got a new deal.  The idea was that with the contract would come effort.  I think that happened too.

All of the skill position players had bad years, I don't hold them as sresponsible as I do the play calling and o-line

[WestPaEaglesNest]

Guys, if you wanna talk about a gutless WR who lacks commitment you are talking about the wrong guy.  Yes Desean is a little btch, but the one you should be calling out is Maclin.  You need to actually watch him on the field.  He acts tough but plays like a little btch.  He does the Jevon Kearse limp at least once a game, runs his mouth in-game all the time and then ducks contact at all costs.  His "effort" on that interception return this past sunday, was about as fake of an effort I have ever seen.  Just really key on him and watch him on the field.  It is embarassing.

[dilluminati]

Way too funny.. but f

#99, on 01 January 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Dez Bryant finished the season among the elite WR in the league.  If you didn't realize he was one of the best players in the league down the stretch, then you weren't watching enough of the league.  When they get a better QB and build a better group of leaders around him, because he isn't going to be one anytime soon, then he will ascend even further.  Dez is a beast.

Too funny but some of the people that post on Tate cannot tell you who the top 3 WR's in the league are, and at #55 Desean has disappointed.  That damn simple, as if my post was about personality or if I owned the guys jersey or something.   Just straight up DEZ had 12 TD's as Desean 2.  I thought WR's were supposed to score TD's and that if you paid 40 million for a EWR cotract you might get some TD's?

Dez might be a head-case however he caught 12 TD's and really if Romo had not tossed three INT's would have been playing post season

Burt given the season and comparing the two it is obvious and beyond a controversy that Desean rated #55 this season was a harsh joke in miscalculation on the part of somebody in the Eagles organization

I mean serious: the Eagles managed to pay 10 million and use a roster spot for a WR with 45 receptions, 700 yards, 2 TD and one Fumble

Andy Reid was in lala land, that is our legacy Danny Watkins and Desean Jackson, guys who cannot play football

[dilluminati]

WestPaEaglesNest, on 01 January 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Guys, if you wanna talk about a gutless WR who lacks commitment you are talking about the wrong guy.  Yes Desean is a little btch, but the one you should be calling out is Maclin.  You need to actually watch him on the field.  He acts tough but plays like a little btch.  He does the Jevon Kearse limp at least once a game, runs his mouth in-game all the time and then ducks contact at all costs.  His "effort" on that interception return this past sunday, was about as fake of an effort I have ever seen.  Just really key on him and watch him on the field.  It is embarassing.

Sad really and I'm not going to argue that with you on commitment of our WR's, the only player I saw play with heart was Celeck
I see that you are not one of the low post count groupies, funny so many Desean Jerseys sold and so little that Desean has produced, I just never thought the guy deserved a roster spot after 2011 and his lack of effort that season, so I'm not surprised if you will, just rubbing salt with the facts.  Fact is DJ sucked worse this year and regressed worse than Vick, I hope we get a HC who like Shanahan looks at somebody like Albert hanynesworth and says: I don't care how many jerseys were sold, how big the signing mistake, your taking a spot on my roster from somebody who wants to play.

[#99]

DJ can't play football?  Your opinion means nothing sorry.

The title of the thread suggests DJ quit this year, that's what I am commenting on regarding him.

You don't hear me saying DJ is better than Dez do you?  Dez will be making more than DJ when he gets the chance to negotiate his first deal.  I don't think anyone with half a brain can say DJ is better than Dez.  Whats that have to do with what DJ does for us?

Is that how you want us to measure talent?  Cut all WR that aren't better than Dez?

Having trouble figuring out what the hell your point is.  Are we supposed to think you are some genius because you think Dez is good?  Dez is good, anyone that watches football should know that and shoulve known that before this year.

You want to lump DJ in with Watkins?  You are a complete clown, 100%.  Give DJ to a new coach and let them determine what he is, if a new coach can't find a role for him worth the money hes making then they will cut him in a year or two.  Its the NFL chief.

[Nitro276]

Iggles_Phan, on 01 January 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

I've never seen this effort, really.  Granted he's small, but that's part of the problem.  He is not an elite WR.  He's a one trick pony.  He is very similar to Devin Hester in terms of what he brings to an offense.  He should still be returning punts.  That's where his TRUE value to this team is evident.  I'm not one of those that thinks we should protect him by keeping him off the ST unit.  He made his mark in the league on ST and is still the most dangerous weapon on ST this team has (basically the ONLY threat).  He's not that good at WR, and disappears in the red zone.  His place in an offense is from 20-20, which is why this team can go up and down the field, but can't score in the red zone.

And his attitude stinks and is cancerous.

[dilluminati]

#99, on 01 January 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

DJ can't play football?  Your opinion means nothing sorry.

The title of the thread suggests DJ quit this year, that's what I am commenting on regarding him.

You don't hear me saying DJ is better than Dez do you?  Dez will be making more than DJ when he gets the chance to negotiate his first deal.  I don't think anyone with half a brain can say DJ is better than Dez.  Whats that have to do with what DJ does for us?

Is that how you want us to measure talent?  Cut all WR that aren't better than Dez?

Having trouble figuring out what the hell your point is.  Are we supposed to think you are some genius because you think Dez is good?  Dez is good, anyone that watches football should know that and shoulve known that before this year.

You want to lump DJ in with Watkins?  You are a complete clown, 100%.  Give DJ to a new coach and let them determine what he is, if a new coach can't find a role for him worth the money hes making then they will cut him in a year or two.  Its the NFL chief.

I never wanted to see DJ's punk midget ghetto self resigned, said it was a mistake and was right, that is the purpose of my post, we straight?
And I guess to straighten the comments on Dez out, if you are going to sign a punk getto WR who beats his mom make sure he makes TD's, the stink is less if there is TD's