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#1 christsmith99

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

I don't think so, plenty of quality coaches of all colors.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

there's what, 2 black HCs in a league where the players are 70% african-american?

yeah, they should probably keep it around for awhile.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

there's what, 2 black HCs in a league where the players are 70% african-american?

yeah, they should probably keep it around for awhile.

If the league is 70 percent , then should there also be an equal rule that you must have a certain amount of white players on the team?

If you have one, you should have the other

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

If the league is 70 percent , then should there also be an equal rule that you must have a certain amount of white players on the team?

If you have one, you should have the other

you should just become a hockkkey or nascar fan, you racist repuke pig

#5 christsmith99

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

you should just become a hockkkey or nascar fan, you racist repuke pig

Hey my 2term president is black, I am all for it....just be fair

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

I don't look at coaches in terms of color. I look at them as coaches. I don't care if there are 100% black coaches 100% white coaches 100% latino coaches in the NFL or split up evenly. They are coaches. If they are qualified, they will get jobs and get interviews regardless of their color. It's just how it shakes out sometimes. We shouldn't even be looking at players or coaches in terms of percentages of color. We should be beyond that and just looking at them as people.

Some people always have race on their mind, so whenever they look at a situation they have to look at it in terms of color. How many white players on are this team? How many black coaches are on that team? Who the F cares?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

I don't look at coaches in terms of color. I look at them as coaches. I don't care if there are 100% black coaches 100% white coaches 100% latino coaches in the NFL or split up evenly. They are coaches. If they are qualified, they will get jobs and get interviews regardless of their color. It's just how it shakes out sometimes. We shouldn't even be looking at players or coaches in terms of percentages of color. We should be beyond that and just looking at them as people.

Some people always have race on their mind, so whenever they look at a situation they have to look at it in terms of color. How many white players on are this team? How many black coaches are on that team? Who the F cares?

Exactly the rule is obsolete

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

Hey my 2term president is black, I am all for it...

no you're not, you railed against him in the politics forum all of last year

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

no you're not, you railed against him in the politics forum all of last year

Oh, but he is my president

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

no you're not, you railed against him in the politics forum all of last year

What percentage of whites voted for Obama? What percentage of blacks voted for Romney? Yup, racism is alive and well.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

I don't think so, plenty of quality coaches of all colors.


wait, are you the same person who strongly alluded to minorities being better players than coaches?!

GTFOH!!

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

there's what, 2 black HCs in a league where the players are 70% african-american?

yeah, they should probably keep it around for awhile.

There are 4 minority HC's in the league, with 2 minority coaches who were fired in the past few days.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

wait, are you the same person who strongly alluded to minorities being better players than coaches?!

GTFOH!!

Well the league is over 70 percent minorities....so, just a hunch, they are better players you dolt

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

Well the league is over 70 percent minorities....so, just a hunch, they are better players you dolt


Yeah.... sure

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

Yeah.... sure

So, your telling me the thecdraftvand pick players on color?
Nope, tey pick the best player regardless of race.

Same for coaches

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

It all depends. Is racism still a thing? If so then yes it's needed.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:29 PM

It's racist and was never needed in the first place.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:44 PM

What percentage of whites voted for Obama? What percentage of blacks voted for Romney? Yup, racism is alive and well.


Butthurt conservative detected.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:06 AM

there's what, 2 black HCs in a league where the players are 70% african-american?


What's your point?

And the rule isn't specific to blacks only.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:40 AM

there's what, 2 black HCs in a league where the players are 70% african-american?

yeah, they should probably keep it around for awhile.

so do you have to be a player to be a coach? does the coach demographics have to match the player demographics to not be deemed as prejudice in your eyes?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:10 AM

It all depends. Is racism still a thing? If so then yes it's needed.


If racism is still a thing, then it makes the rule more pointless, since those who are racist would do nothing other than token interviews.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

Butthurt conservative detected.

It's just a perfect example since there's actual numbers. There are several other much more controversial examples of racism I could have used.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

Black coaches have said numorous times that it's a waste of time on their part and on the part of the team. You aren't going to hire someone, so why waste their time and interview them?

Although there have been instances (can't think right now) where teams interviewed a black coach just for the rule, but wound up really liking what they heard from them during the process.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

If racism is still a thing, then it makes the rule more pointless, since those who are racist would do nothing other than token interviews.

That's actually the point of it. Traditionally minority coaches wouldn't even get an interview. Granted many won't get the job, but there's still the perception that that individual is a candidate and there's always the chance that that specific candidate becomes the best fit (like Mike Tomlin in Pitt).

I'm a white male. I have never really been a part of being or on the negative end of racism. I can't pretend to understand it the same way someone who has experienced it first hand. The way I see it is historically my specific demographic had an easier time doing almost anything. There have to be steps taken like the Rodney Rule to bring the system back into balance. If you say that we are already balanced I'd think otherwise because there are many minority coordinators, but only a small number of actual head coaches. Logically that just doesn't make sense.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

there's what, 2 black HCs in a league where the players are 70% african-american?

yeah, they should probably keep it around for awhile.


In a league where 69% of the 2012 HCs were not former NFL players (and 2 that were Whisenhunt and Smith got canned), what does the percentage of minority PLAYERS in the NFL even have to do with it since it's obvious that owners/GMs prefer to not hire former players as HCs regardless of ethnicity?

Actually there were more minority HCs in the NFL last season who were not former players than there were who did play in the league.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

That's actually the point of it. Traditionally minority coaches wouldn't even get an interview. Granted many won't get the job, but there's still the perception that that individual is a candidate and there's always the chance that that specific candidate becomes the best fit (like Mike Tomlin in Pitt).

I'm a white male. I have never really been a part of being or on the negative end of racism. I can't pretend to understand it the same way someone who has experienced it first hand. The way I see it is historically my specific demographic had an easier time doing almost anything. There have to be steps taken like the Rodney Rule to bring the system back into balance. If you say that we are already balanced I'd think otherwise because there are many minority coordinators, but only a small number of actual head coaches. Logically that just doesn't make sense.


Having many minority coordinators doesn't mean many earned interviews. Ray Horton and Winston Moss are 2 that come to mind, and I believe Moss interviewed for the Oakland job last year, and Horton interviewed for the AZ job yesterday. Who else is so deserving that overlooking them is an issue?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:24 AM

In a league where 69% of the 2012 HCs were not former NFL players (and 2 that were Whisenhunt and Smith got canned), what does the percentage of minority PLAYERS in the NFL even have to do with it since it's obvious that owners/GMs prefer to not hire former players as HCs regardless of ethnicity?

Actually there were more minority HCs in the NFL last season who were not former players than there were who did play in the league.


I anxiously await DJnumbnuts' response to this.

(It's nice not being the target of Mighty's wrath for a change. :-))

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

I anxiously await DJnumbnuts' response to this.

(It's nice not being the target of Mighty's wrath for a change. :-))


Know your place (and stay there) and you have nothing to fear. ;)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:38 AM

It's just a perfect example since there's actual numbers. There are several other much more controversial examples of racism I could have used.


Your true colors are showing. Just quit while you're ahead.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

Know your place (and stay there) and you have nothing to fear. ;)

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You know I can't do that. :-)