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[BigEd76]

Tostitos Fiesta Bowl
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Thursday, January 3, 2013 - 8:30pm EST - ESPN
Odds: Oregon -8

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OREGON (11-1) (BCS At-Large)
Players to keep an eye on:
#24 RB Kenjon Barner
#6 RB De'Anthony Thomas (SO)
#74 OT Kyle Long (son of Howie, brother of Chris)
#96 DE Dion Jordan
#66 DE Taylor Hart (JR)
#46 OLB Michael Clay
#47 ILB Kiko Alonso
#49 P Jackson Rice

KANSAS STATE (11-1) (Big 12 Champion)
Players to keep an eye on:
#7 QB Collin Klein
#37 FB Braden Wilson
#3 WR Chris Harper
#42 DE Meshak Williams
#2 OLB Arthur Brown (brother of Bryce)
#24 CB Nigel Malone
#12 FS Ty Zimmerman (JR)

[christsmith99]

Go ducks!

[LacesOut]

Go K-State!!!!!!!!

And just who is this Chip Kelly guy from Oregon that I keep hearing about??

[christsmith99]

LacesOut, on 01 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Go K-State!!!!!!!!

And just who is this Chip Kelly guy from Oregon that I keep hearing about??

I hope he stays at Oregon btw

[LacesOut]

christsmith99, on 01 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

I hope he stays at Oregon btw

Me too.

I want a current NFL assistant to coach the Iggles next season.

[Shocker54]

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[BirdGang45]

NitroDucks are going to be quacking through the desert.

Quack Attack is ready to goooo!!

[Shocker54]

Who else will be watching this game?

I am starting to believe it's going to be Chip.

I will be looking at this offense to see what the Eagles could actually use.

Plus the weird uniforms.

[SBorBust]

I'll watch it because it is a football game and it is on TV.  But, I will be bored by the fast break crap and lack of defense.  The uniforms are awesome, though.

Most entertaining game of the bowl season by far: Stanford/Wisconsin.  THAT was football.

I'll be so sick if Kelly gets the job.  But, if it does happen I think that EJ MANUEL is a better fit than Geno Smith.  If you limit Manuel's reads and utilize his tremendous physical gifts he would be the perfect fit in a hybrid NFL spread offense.

[craigb5]

praying we don't end up with Chip. Has the guy ever produced a quality pro out of hisgimmick  system that doesn't work on this level? Dennis Dixon ( practice squad) See LaMichael James at Oregon and now at the 49ers, Maritolli(CFL) Daron Thomas (CFL), Casey Matthews.....nuff said about Chip Kelly

Bottom line is Chip Kelly hasn't/ Can't win the big one even on the college level. He's has the success he's had becasue his college teams have far superior athletic ability/ speed compared to 95% of the teams he faces yet everytime he plays a big boy school with similar talent he loses. Thought we wre trying to get  a coach here than can put us over the top because we just got rid of one that finished 2nd in the Super bowl which is all Kelly does on a lower level with superior talent.

[20eagles11]

I'll tune in

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

craigb5, on 02 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

praying we don't end up with Chip. Has the guy ever produced a quality pro out of hisgimmick  system that doesn't work on this level? Dennis Dixon ( practice squad) See LaMichael James at Oregon and now at the 49ers, Maritolli(CFL) Daron Thomas (CFL), Casey Matthews.....nuff said about Chip Kelly

Bottom line is Chip Kelly hasn't/ Can't win the big one even on the college level. He's has the success he's had becasue his college teams have far superior athletic ability/ speed compared to 95% of the teams he faces yet everytime he plays a big boy school with similar talent he loses. Thought we wre trying to get  a coach here than can put us over the top because we just got rid of one that finished 2nd in the Super bowl which is all Kelly does on a lower level with superior talent.

In a weird way you made an argument that the guy is a great coach because he is winning tons of games without next level NFL caliber players like the big schools have.

[Eaglesfanforlife]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 02 January 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

In a weird way you made an argument that the guy is a great coach because he is winning tons of games without next level NFL caliber players like the big schools have.

lol yea.

But I will be watching it too. I've never really been too much into college ball, but this guys name is out there all over the place as an "innovator". So I am curious as to what his offense looks like so for that, and because its football, I'll be watching.

SBorBust, on 02 January 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I'll watch it because it is a football game and it is on TV.  But, I will be bored by the fast break crap and lack of defense.  The uniforms are awesome, though.

Most entertaining game of the bowl season by far: Stanford/Wisconsin.  THAT was football.

I'll be so sick if Kelly gets the job.  But, if it does happen I think that EJ MANUEL is a better fit than Geno Smith.  If you limit Manuel's reads and utilize his tremendous physical gifts he would be the perfect fit in a hybrid NFL spread offense.

Yes and Yes!! That game was awesome.

[craigb5]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 02 January 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

In a weird way you made an argument that the guy is a great coach because he is winning tons of games without next level NFL caliber players like the big schools have.

Point I was making is his gimmick offense won't work on this level nor do his college studs transition into good pro's. He's a great college coach who has great college talents but that's thier limits, college.

[blackskimmer]

craigb5, on 02 January 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Point I was making is his gimmick offense won't work on this level nor do his college studs transition into good pro's. He's a great college coach who has great college talents but that's thier limits, college.

This is laughable because the Pats already use a ton of Chip Kellys ideas and they seem to be working rather well in the NFL.  I also dont understand why people think he will simply lift his current college scheme and try it as is in the NFL.  I mean really?  

  Also people who dont think college ideas work in the NFL simply are not paying enough attention to what is going on.  Redskins anyone?

[craigb5]

blackskimmer, on 02 January 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

This is laughable because the Pats already use a ton of Chip Kellys ideas and they seem to be working rather well in the NFL.  I also dont understand why people think he will simply lift his current college scheme and try it as is in the NFL.  I mean really?  

  Also people who dont think college ideas work in the NFL simply are not paying enough attention to what is going on.  Redskins anyone?

The Redskins run a power running game. Shannahan always has and always will. Run sets up the pass. People forget they struck gold on RGIII and on the leagues 2nd leading rusher in Alfred Morris. Hiring Kelly will set us back years as we don't have the personel to run his O and it will take YEARS to draft that type of personel. He'll be fired within 5 years and we'll be starting from scratch again.  How many rings have the Pats won with Kelly's plays in the system recently NONE, we've already mathcehd them. Go get a guy like Arians who has a proven track record to develop the young talent on our roster like Foles. Stop comparing the Eagles to the Patriots and Redskins becasue I don't see Tom Brady or RGIII in Eagle green or in the upcoming draft(s) in the next 2 years.

[goeagles5039]

craigb5, on 02 January 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Point I was making is his gimmick offense won't work on this level nor do his college studs transition into good pro's. He's a great college coach who has great college talents but that's thier limits, college.

Not true. New England has been using some of Oregon's playbook. Look at all the no huddle, pistol/option and diamond (redskins use this a lot) formations that teams are using with athletic QB's. Seahawks with WIlson, 49ers with Kapernick, Redskins with RGIII, and Carolinia with Newton. I think in today's NFL it he could be a great head coach.

blackskimmer, on 02 January 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

This is laughable because the Pats already use a ton of Chip Kellys ideas and they seem to be working rather well in the NFL.  I also dont understand why people think he will simply lift his current college scheme and try it as is in the NFL.  I mean really?  

  Also people who dont think college ideas work in the NFL simply are not paying enough attention to what is going on.  Redskins anyone?

Lol I posted mine as soon as you posted yours.

[jwill2420]

If your interested in seeing Oregon's Offense and everything Chip Kelly does go to YouTube type in Chip Kelly Offense and there is a guy named Fish Duck from the university who breaks the entire offense down. It shows inside zone reads outside zone reads how the line up and get mismatches. Still not a fan of the offense but really help me understand what he is all about

[Robbieb77]

Most excited for this game.

[BirdGang45]

Shocker54, on 02 January 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Who else will be watching this game?

I am starting to believe it's going to be Chip.

I will be looking at this offense to see what the Eagles could actually use.

Plus the weird uniforms.

Ill be watching this. Cause it might be the end of my Chip Kelly Duck Era... but maybe the beginning of the Chip Kelly Eagles Era.

Chip if he is really going to leave Oregon. He is going to have some new plays and go out with a bang.

[Sevendust912]

Thats a pretty terrible list by the OP of "players to keep an eye on"

How about:

Oregon: QB-Marcus Mariota, TE/WR Colt Lyerla
KSU- RB- John Hubert, WR-Tyler Lockett

[lorddevn]

I as well will be watching this game, one of the few bowl games I was excited about...Go Wildcats

[Innocence096]

craigb5, on 02 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

praying we don't end up with Chip. Has the guy ever produced a quality pro out of hisgimmick  system that doesn't work on this level? Dennis Dixon ( practice squad) See LaMichael James at Oregon and now at the 49ers, Maritolli(CFL) Daron Thomas (CFL), Casey Matthews.....nuff said about Chip Kelly

Bottom line is Chip Kelly hasn't/ Can't win the big one even on the college level. He's has the success he's had becasue his college teams have far superior athletic ability/ speed compared to 95% of the teams he faces yet everytime he plays a big boy school with similar talent he loses. Thought we wre trying to get  a coach here than can put us over the top because we just got rid of one that finished 2nd in the Super bowl which is all Kelly does on a lower level with superior talent.

is this a joke? Oregon does not have superior talent compared to 95% of teams. They actually have less than some of th eother Pac-12 teams but Chip has just mastered getting the most out of what he had. I mean its clear by looking at the list you provided that he is winning without NFL quality talent. He can take average players and make them collegiate stars. And he can't win the big one at college? He has been in a BCS game almost every year, he won the rose bowl last year and was the closest team to stopping th Cam Newton juggernaut with a less talented and much smaller team.  His record over 4 years is incredible. Would you only be satisfied if he won every game? Harbaugh never "won the big one" at Stanford but he did great. Saban did win and we know what happened when he went to the Dolphins. so please, if you dont like Chip fine, but get a clue of what youre talking about.

[BigEd76]

Sevendust912, on 03 January 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

Thats a pretty terrible list by the OP of "players to keep an eye on"

How about:

Oregon: QB-Marcus Mariota, TE/WR Colt Lyerla
KSU- RB- John Hubert, WR-Tyler Lockett

I usually only focus on the people available for the upcoming draft unless there's a major name like Clowney, Bridgewater or Manziel.  Look back through all the bowl topics I created and you'll see names in red that are projected to go in the 1st round this April.

[italianmafia23]

My Fiesta Bowl prediction, description and (the most fun part) aftermath --

Kansas State: 40
Oregon: 34

K-State senior QB Collin Klein will show his experience on their final drive, taking the lead with a TD run with under 2 minutes to play. Oregon freshman QB Marcus Mariota will respond by methodically moving the ball down the field, but choke near the redzone with mental mistakes (despite a solid overall performance). Time runs out, and K-State wins.

The aftermath: The already existing media frenzy over Oregon coach Chip Kelly (and his near inevitable transition to the NFL next year) will explode even more with criticisms of his decision to go for it on 4th and 1 earlier in the game and failing well within field goal range (3 points could have made a difference), and his inability to win another bowl game will lead media and fans to question whether he can win the big games in the NFL that he failed to in college.

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Kelly's future prediction:

He will go on to be hired as the Eagles head coach after a tug of war with the Browns and Bills. Fans will be angry for the reasons above in addition to the "college coaches can't succeed in the NFL" superstition, and the false assumption that he is a system guy that needs a mobile QB. They will argue furiously that Lurie should have targeted a Superbowl winner like Gruden, Cowher or Billick, an NFL coach with a promising resume like Mike McCoy of Denver, or Bill O'Brien of PSU if they had to pick a college coach (because "at least he has NFL experience"). They will insist with complete confidence that Kelly is just an Andy Reid clone with the same "fast ball" favoring, gimmicky offense and inability to win big games.

In one season, he will turn the Eagles into a wildcard team and introduce the next wildcat-type innovation that catches fire across the league. In two, division champs with a first round bye. In three, Superbowl champs with "slow, immobile, unathletic" QB Nick Foles getting Superbowl MVP consideration in Kelly's adapted, run-first offense (despite still being considered only a "solid," above average QB talent-wise that competes in a division of "elite" QB's with Manning and RG3).

Eagles fans will suddenly praise Chip Kelly in unison, many declaring him the best coach in the NFL, and proudly act like they "knew it all along."

[Innocence096]

D Thomas returned the opening kickoff over 90 yards to start the game and then Oregon goes for 2 and gets it. 8-0 after 12 seconds!

HIRE CHIP KELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chrisOG]

Nice return on the kickoff.

Innocence096, on 03 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

D Thomas returned the opening kickoff over 90 yards to start the game and then Oregon goes for 2 and gets it. 8-0 after 12 seconds!

HIRE CHIP KELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

\Speial Teams making a positive impact, what a concept.

[mike030270]

I don't watch college football but I was worried Eagles may get Kelly so I figured I'd watch

[dilluminati]

Interesting chip kelly has a commercial and some tricked out shoes

[Shocker54]

dilluminati, on 03 January 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Interesting chip kelly has a commercial and some tricked out shoes

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