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[CaliEagle]

Dave,

With 7 job openings, it figures to be very competitive for desirable HC candidates.  Howie and Don are going to be competing for candidates with other franchises who have more experience in searching for coaches against Presidents and GMs who have experience in these kind of situations.  I know you are going to be loyal in your response, but how much input will Lurie have in this situation?  It's been over 14 years since the Eagles have been in this situation and they have entered into this situation in a year that is a little unusual due to the high number of coaching vacancies.  It would seem that most teams will have the absolute guy they want as a HC and settling for someone else would almost be a failure.

[Whiskey]

Can't gain experience with opportunity for it. Every GM has thier first try at hiring a coach, and many do a wonderful job while others don't. We can only hope these guys make the right call.

I really don't think thier inexperience will be a disadvantage in getting the coach they want. A coach will either want to take the job or he won't. Only way Howie doesn't get his #1 guy is if the coach doesn't want to be in Philly, or that coach interviews somewhere else first and takes that job.

As for how much input Lurie has? I would say quite a bit as it is his team, and I'm sure he will want to be comfortable with whoever Howie has pegged for the job.


Now, I hope they go out and get this staff:

Head Coach: Bill Cowher
Offensive Coordinator: Jon Gruden
Defensive Coordinator: Kevin Greene
Special Teams Coordinator: bobeph
Hydro-Fluids Procurement Coordinator: bfit70
Solid-to-Gas THC Engineer: Machine
Anti-Flaccidity Expert: BinkyBink

[pgcd3]

I actually feel Lurie will be the main man on this hire. He wants the HC to report directly to him. Lurie has shown ability there though as I've said I think they are expecting too much contribution from the coach in the personnel area since Howie is a glorified draft board setter. Coaches all want this power but very few handle it well

[CT Eagle]

CaliEagle, on 01 January 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Dave,

With 7 job openings, it figures to be very competitive for desirable HC candidates.  Howie and Don are going to be competing for candidates with other franchises who have more experience in searching for coaches against Presidents and GMs who have experience in these kind of situations.  I know you are going to be loyal in your response, but how much input will Lurie have in this situation?  It's been over 14 years since the Eagles have been in this situation and they have entered into this situation in a year that is a little unusual due to the high number of coaching vacancies.  It would seem that most teams will have the absolute guy they want as a HC and settling for someone else would almost be a failure.

IMO:
San Diego is the most attractive spot because they have Phillip Rivers.  KC, Philadelphia, and Chicago are the second tier.

[Highboy]

Whiskey, on 01 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Can't gain experience with opportunity for it. Every GM has thier first try at hiring a coach, and many do a wonderful job while others don't. We can only hope these guys make the right call.

I really don't think thier inexperience will be a disadvantage in getting the coach they want. A coach will either want to take the job or he won't. Only way Howie doesn't get his #1 guy is if the coach doesn't want to be in Philly, or that coach interviews somewhere else first and takes that job.

As for how much input Lurie has? I would say quite a bit as it is his team, and I'm sure he will want to be comfortable with whoever Howie has pegged for the job.


Now, I hope they go out and get this staff:

Head Coach: Bill Cowher
Offensive Coordinator: Jon Gruden
Defensive Coordinator: Kevin Greene
Special Teams Coordinator: bobeph
Hydro-Fluids Procurement Coordinator: bfit70
Solid-to-Gas THC Engineer: Machine
Anti-Flaccidity Expert: BinkyBink

You should be banned for suggesting Cowher.

[CT Eagle]

Highboy, on 01 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

You should be banned for suggesting Cowher.

one could say the same about Gruden !!!

[CT Eagle]

CT Eagle, on 01 January 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

IMO:
San Diego is the most attractive spot because they have Phillip Rivers.  KC, Philadelphia, and Chicago are the second tier.

http://www.nfl.com/n...g-opportunities

[LacesOut]

CaliEagle, on 01 January 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Howie and Don are going to be competing for candidates with other franchises who have more experience in searching for coaches against Presidents and GMs who have experience in these kind of situations.  

Not busting balls here, Cali, but whom are the other franchises who have more experience with these kinds of decisions?

[Whiskey]

Highboy, on 01 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

You should be banned for suggesting Cowher.

Well then please share your preferred head coach candidates. I suppose you are one of the guys who wants a completely unproven coach from the college ranks rather than a fairly young coach with a Super Bowl victory under his belt.



And anyone that is opposed to Jon Gruden is assinine. He is an amazing offensive mind and a great motivator. Players love, fear and respect Gruden. We would be lucky to have him. The only downside to Gruden is that he may want to keep Vick around, but considering what he did with Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson, I'd be willing to try one year with Gruden coaching Vick.

[Eaglfan4eva]

LacesOut, on 01 January 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Not busting balls here, Cali, but whom are the other franchises who have more experience with these kinds of decisions?

Don't apologize for a damn thing because you have a valid point. Any organization with experience in these matters have likely been perennial failures for the last several years.

[CaliEagle]

LacesOut, on 01 January 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Not busting balls here, Cali, but whom are the other franchises who have more experience with these kinds of decisions?

I don't know.  But, Howie and Don are new. Some of the other GMs and Presidents with the other teams may have been part of the process before. The more experience someone does something, usually the better they get.  It's about getting the coach you want. It doesn't guarantee they are going to be a great coach.   I hope Lurie is very active in the process because he has been through this twice before.  If Lurie delegates most of this to Don and Howie, then it might backfire.  For instance, if the Eagles and Browns are competing for Chip Kelly (who I don't want them to get...just using him as an example), then Haslam and Banner have gone through the coaching hiring process before.  Howie and Don haven't. That's why Lurie needs to be proactive in this process and not just delegate it.  Obviously the key part of the interview process is:  scheduling the appointment...making sure that you meet the Rooney Rule (which is easy)...negotiating the deal with the person you want...and closing the deal.  Any snag in an area could result in losing who you want.

[CT Eagle]

CaliEagle, on 01 January 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

I don't know.  But, Howie and Don are new. Some of the other GMs and Presidents with the other teams may have been part of the process before. The more experience someone does something, usually the better they get.  It's about getting the coach you want. It doesn't guarantee they are going to be a great coach.   I hope Lurie is very active in the process because he has been through this twice before.  If Lurie delegates most of this to Don and Howie, then it might backfire.  For instance, if the Eagles and Browns are competing for Chip Kelly (who I don't want them to get...just using him as an example), then Haslam and Banner have gone through the coaching hiring process before.  Howie and Don haven't. That's why Lurie needs to be proactive in this process and not just delegate it.  Obviously the key part of the interview process is:  scheduling the appointment...making sure that you meet the Rooney Rule (which is easy)...negotiating the deal with the person you want...and closing the deal.  Any snag in an area could result in losing who you want.

At the end of the day, Lurie will have final say and be the guy negotiating.  The Eagles HC job is very lucrative although there may be a couple others as good or better ( SD & Chicago ).

[Erie]

LacesOut, on 01 January 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Not busting balls here, Cali, but whom are the other franchises who have more experience with these kinds of decisions?

One could argue that having more experience is evidence of being less skilled at making a coaching hire.

[snoopdogg88]

yeah but Howie "works really hard"


so we're all good

[mjkvol]

Right now, it's a clean slate.     If Lurie believes and trusts these two to get the job done, I'll believe they can.

[LacesOut]

Erie, on 02 January 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

One could argue that having more experience is evidence of being less skilled at making a coaching hire.

Yeah, that's what I was kinda thinking.  LOL

For example, yes, the Bills and Browns have more experience with conducting a coaching search and a coaching hire.  But that experience comes from previous bad/wrong coaching searches and hires, and have a consistently craptastic team.  They do it more, but they do it more because they are so bad at it.

[PoconoDon]

mjkvol, on 02 January 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:

Right now, it's a clean slate. If Lurie believes and trusts these two to get the job done, I'll believe they can.

Lurie believed in Reid for 14 years........I'll reserve my trust until the results are in.

[mjkvol]

PoconoDon, on 05 January 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Lurie believed in Reid for 14 years........I'll reserve my trust until the results are in.

The initial hire was good - it was beyond the ninth year, and the granting of full authority that were the issues.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 05 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

The initial hire was good - it was granting endless full authority that was the issue.

good thing Howie is GM and can keep the new HC in check !  hehehe

Nolan...."I am cutting Nate Allen"
Howie..."lets talk about this for minute"
Nolan..."no  I am cutting him after practice,  shut the door on your way out"

[herbicide]

Those owners,GMs and other executives that have lots of experience hiring head coaches, probably haven't been very good at it.

Maybe we could get Jerry Jones to give us some advice.  He hires head coaches every few years. Since 1999, Dallas has had Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett as head coaches.

[james1345]

snoopdogg88, on 02 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

yeah but Howie "works really hard"


so we're all good

I wouldn't go that far to say that we are good.

[Runtherock]

Saw a clip of Don explaining his role in the hiring team. Basically said he's there to assure the hc candidate that the business side will not interfere or subtract from the football side. Struck me as odd. I can see a coach immediately thinking to himself "I never assumed it would, why do you feel the need to tell me this?" Almost protesting too much..

[patpikunas]

Runtherock, on 08 January 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Saw a clip of Don explaining his role in the hiring team. Basically said he's there to assure the hc candidate that the business side will not interfere or subtract from the football side. Struck me as odd. I can see a coach immediately thinking to himself "I never assumed it would, why do you feel the need to tell me this?" Almost protesting too much..

That is bizarre.... this entire process becoming pretty bizarre it seems.

Its pretty evident that Lurie is an insecure guy. He needs guys like Smolenski and Howie around him at all times.

The 2 of them together are fulfilling the role of Joe Banner.

[Hank_TheBody_Fraley]

My opinion of Jeff is that he's too cautious when he needs to be brash, then decides to jump all in when it's too late. I have no real basis to that other than the way this organization seems to have been run during his tenure as owner. I accept that I may be wrong. But I'm pretty good with thematic stuff...it's kind of my job.

[EagleJoe8]

herbicide, on 07 January 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Those owners,GMs and other executives that have lots of experience hiring head coaches, probably haven't been very good at it.

Maybe we could get Jerry Jones to give us some advice.  He hires head coaches every few years. Since 1999, Dallas has had Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett as head coaches.

My all time favorite Cowboys head coach!

[CaliEagle]

If it is true that the Eagles are trying to get Brian Kelly, then I am right with my concerns. This feels like Howie is trying to make a name for himself by creating a splash rather than finding the best candidate for the job even if it isn't an exciting name.  Brian Kelly is probably using the same tactic as Chip.  Say you are interested and then get the athetlc director to pony up more cash to keep you. The Eagles need to stop wasting time with these situations and get the best OC/DC that is out there that is ready to take the next step and be a HC.

[Erie]

I'm thinking that all the coaching hires are moving more slowly than normal. Yes, a few holes got plugged. I think that a) the prospects have more "hand" as there are more options and more teams interested in them; b) teams are still waiting for contenders to be eliminated.

[djbigf]

Erie, on 10 January 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

I'm thinking that all the coaching hires are moving more slowly than normal. Yes, a few holes got plugged. I think that a) the prospects have more "hand" as there are more options and more teams interested in them; b) teams are still waiting for contenders to be eliminated.

yep.  that's the conundrum - the bad teams fire their coaches after the regular season, then have to wait 3 weeks for the playoff teams to finish before they can hire someone from a good team.

[f_dallas]

CT Eagle, on 01 January 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

IMO:
San Diego is the most attractive spot because they have Phillip Rivers.  KC, Philadelphia, and Chicago are the second tier.

I disagree with that.  I think Chicago is #1 by far, between the talent on the roster, the historic nature of the franchise, and the size of the market.  San Diego isn't a bad job, but Rivers is now a reclamation project, you play in an empty stadium even when you're winning, the facilities suck, and relocation is constantly hanging over the franchise.

[patpikunas]

And now come the reports that Brian Kelly from Notre Dame are playing the 3 nerds like a fiddle probably just so he can get a raise from the school.

Do these guys think Brian Kelly really wants to leave Notre Dame after just 3 years for the Eagles?