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[pgcd3]

This team has made bad draft picks period.

Last year they attributed the success to picking BPA instead of BPA within positions of need. When you pick BPA within positions of need you really shouldn't end up drafting a guy more than 10 slots too high anyway. Jarrett was simply a bad pick. The big problem was they had him rated as the best safety on their board. Obviously they didn't think he'd last another whole round or they'd have waited. They just misevaluated the personnel badly. That's not draft strategy. That's a poor pick.

This year they talk of the free agent route as being the problem. It's not like they traded away picks for old players before. Again they made bad picks and were left with holes they needed to fill in free agency, It all comes down to making better picks.

One more point, if they go BPA again this year and say no safety is ever BPA than you have to go FA to fill that hole. If you don't you suck again.  You could argue by not going BPA at a position of need and taking Vinny Curry they left themselves with no safety and it made 2012 a worse season. You could also argue that they made the best long term decision. My point is the BPA vs BPA in positions of need isn't really clear cut right or wrong.

So can we just say the team has drafted badly and needs to improve? This philosophical shift spin really is much adieu about nothing.

[badmeetsevil]

Completely agree. If you go BPA and still have needs leftover, then address it through FA.

I am not one of those who views FA as the worst possible option. Now of course the big spree in 2011 didn't work out even if some of the signings seemed like no-brainers, but the reason we had such a huge need was because of terrible drafts which left the team depleted.

Safety was a huge need after last season. They didn't address it through the draft and didn't even bother considering Landry or Bell. Not the best safeties in the world but hell they would have been leagues better than Allen and Coleman.

[mjkvol]

badmeetsevil, on 03 January 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Completely agree. If you go BPA and still have needs leftover, then address it through FA.

I am not one of those who views FA as the worst possible option. Now of course the big spree in 2011 didn't work out even if some of the signings seemed like no-brainers, but the reason we had such a huge need was because of terrible drafts which left the team depleted.

Safety was a huge need after last season. They didn't address it through the draft and didn't even bother considering Landry or Bell. Not the best safeties in the world but hell they would have been leagues better than Allen and Coleman.

Free agency is a great option to add depth or fill a need here or there, but not as a way of building your team because of pathetic and incompetent drafting, like Reid did in 2011.       I'll never get the love affair fans have with the asinine 'free agent frenzy' every year, other than everyone thinks it's like Madden, where you just 'plug a guy in'.      The NFL has never, and will never work like that.      

Bottom line - if you draft poorly, you will be a bad football team.      Ergo, the Eagles we see right now.

[badmeetsevil]

mjkvol, on 03 January 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Free agency is a great option to add depth or fill a need here or there, but not as a way of building your team because of pathetic and incompetent drafting, like Reid did in 2011.    I'll never get the love affair fans have with the asinine 'free agent frenzy' every year, other than everyone thinks it's like Madden, where you just 'plug a guy in'.   The NFL has never, and will never work like that.   

Bottom line - if you draft poorly, you will be a bad football team.   Ergo, the Eagles we see right now.

Well personally I didn't mind the splurge at the time because we were so depleted and it was such a change from the norm or signing guys like Kevin Curtis.

That said it obviously didn't work out and disrupted a lot of the chemistry. The new guys also didn't seem to be in it as much as a core nucleus would be.

I didn't get the signing of Ronnie Brown when we barley use our #1 back. Ronnie Brown is actually decent in SD when allowed to on the field and contribute.

Steve Smith was another waste. He was supposed to be the insurance policy against DJAX holdout, but he himself was coming off a serious injury which he clearly didn't recover from. If they really wanted to sign someone it should have been Plaxico.

Nnamdi made all the sense in the world, but not after already trading for DRC. How do you not foresee the problems it would cause with three potential starting CBs? Its not like the same thing didn't happen with adding Asante when Lito and Sheldon were here.

Jenkins is solid if not spectacular. I'd like for them to keep him and see how he functions under a normal defense with an actual DC.

Vince Young made no sense.

To me FA works perfectly when for example they picked up TO. Now TO didn't work because he is a psychopath but that was a need they failed to address or fill through the draft or FA for close to 5 seasons. They finally added the right piece and the offense took off.

[DaveSpadaro]

I think everyone agrees that the team has drafted badly and needs to improve .. I will remind you all, though, that for years all I heard was "Eagles don't want to spend in free agency." Interesting spin some of you are taking on that previous complaint now ...

[patpikunas]

DaveSpadaro, on 03 January 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think everyone agrees that the team has drafted badly and needs to improve .. I will remind you all, though, that for years all I heard was "Eagles don't want to spend in free agency." Interesting spin some of you are taking on that previous complaint now ...

Dave- Yes- Fans were complaining about it back in 2003 when we had solid lines on both sides of the ball and were probably only one or 2 valuable skill position players away from being a truly great offense but ignored potential additions.

But I honestly haven't heard people clamoring loudly that the "Eagles don't want to spend in free agency" over the last 5 years.

Point is they have drafted so poorly and mismatched the talent on the roster with the schemes in such a disjointed way, that they have found themselves trying to plug too many holes via FA rather than systematically building a TEAM with a structured roster.

[Rodney_Zero]

badmeetsevil, on 03 January 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Completely agree. If you go BPA and still have needs leftover, then address it through FA.

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FA comes first, then the draft

[Rodney_Zero]

IMO, you look at it both ways, as for the Mcdougle pick, we where "beyond desperate" for DE help, IIRC, Burgess was injured, Douglass left to Jax, and all we had was Kalu and Whiting. Thing is, Mcdougle was'nt that good, The "U" thing made him look better than he was , and that DE draft class was horrid.

As for BPA, if you are stacked at a certain position, why draft that position if they are the "BPA?", if LB is the BPA when the 49er's are drafting do they go with that pick ?.

[Runtherock]

DaveSpadaro, on 03 January 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think everyone agrees that the team has drafted badly and needs to improve .. I will remind you all, though, that for years all I heard was "Eagles don't want to spend in free agency." Interesting spin some of you are taking on that previous complaint now ...

Ha.....touche..

[Runtherock]

I think Jarrett was a Reid pick all the way, and I have nothing but my gut to go on. He had one kid on Temple's roster, another interning there, at that time Reid was all about "Temple proud."

[mjkvol]

DaveSpadaro, on 03 January 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think everyone agrees that the team has drafted badly and needs to improve .. I will remind you all, though, that for years all I heard was "Eagles don't want to spend in free agency." Interesting spin some of you are taking on that previous complaint now ...

C'mon Dave, you can't be serious.      The Eagles spent in free agency to make up for the hideous drafting!    As an earlier poster said, when they could have used free agency to possibly get them over the top, they passed, until 2004.      Then, they f****ed that up.

[CT Eagle]

DaveSpadaro, on 03 January 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think everyone agrees that the team has drafted badly and needs to improve ..

I don't recall seeing you state that fact in such a definitive and succinct manner.......Must feel good, huh ?

[ckudrick]

I don't think the complaint has been that the Eagles didn't want to spend in free agency - it was that the Eagles were cheap.  Which I also don't necessarily agree with but you can point to some examples (Dawkins being allowed to walk, the Mike Patterson fiasco this year) of at least WHY fans would have that impression.

[f_dallas]

DaveSpadaro, on 03 January 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think everyone agrees that the team has drafted badly and needs to improve .. I will remind you all, though, that for years all I heard was "Eagles don't want to spend in free agency." Interesting spin some of you are taking on that previous complaint now ...

I didn't think I had to specify the free agents they sign should be good at football (or that their drafts shouldn't suck).  

I think a lot of fans got a little sick of falling one or two games short with $20 or $30 million in cap room at the end of the season.  Looking back, it sure makes you wonder what might have been...had they been willing to spend some of that money when they still had a decent core of talent.

[CT Eagle]

ckudrick, on 03 January 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

I don't think the complaint has been that the Eagles didn't want to spend in free agency - it was that the Eagles were cheap.  Which I also don't necessarily agree with but you can point to some examples (Dawkins being allowed to walk, the Mike Patterson fiasco this year) of at least WHY fans would have that impression.

pennywise and pound foolish

[dave moss]

bad drafting is often exposed when a team is hit with injuries.