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[Nitro276]

The decline of this team under Reid has been going on for awhile, I think we can all agree.  But, where did the red flag first go up for you?

For me, it was the abrupt release of Jeremiah Trotter after the second pre-season game in August '07.

At that time, I recall the official story being a combination of Trotter's declining speed and wanting to give the MIKE job to Omar Gaither.  I always found that suspicious considering that Trot was coming off a Pro Bowl appearance six months earlier and that Takeo Spikes had been brought in to play alongside him.  A few years later, I heard through a reliable, personal source that the Eagles just did not want to pay Trotter on that big contract they had given him.

[deevo82]

When he named Todd Pinkston as a starting receiver.

[Lloyd]

First there were some of those "We're smarter than you" draft picks.

Then there was the Kolb thing....which became the Vick thing.  But in 2010, it looked like he actually turned Vick around....but that burnt out quickly.

But the ultimate red flag was the Juan Castillo thing.  Because it was a combination of the "I'm smarter than you" thing with a big ol' "Go **** yourself."  for good measure.

[deevo82]

Lloyd, on 02 January 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

First there were some of those "We're smarter than you" draft picks.

Then there was the Kolb thing....which became the Vick thing.  But in 2010, it looked like he actually turned Vick around....but that burnt out quickly.

But the ultimate red flag was the Juan Castillo thing.  Because it was a combination of the "I'm smarter than you" thing with a big ol' "Go **** yourself."  for good measure.

I think it was more like the Jim Washburn I've outsmarted everyone thing - which became the Juan Castillo I've outsmarted myself thing when no-one would take the D co-ordinator job to work with the wide 9/Washburn.

[odin8888]

The 4 minute "2 minute" offense in the superbowl...2004

[ryguy552]

When he drafted Danny Watkins.

[iluvdaeagles]

when he didnt put his foot down to make sure dawn never left

and then how he handled replacing him

[CaliEagle]

In 2002 was the first red flag.   We had an out of shape Kirkland in the middle and Blaine Bishop with a bad foot at safety.  I knew that good teams could scheme to take advantage of that in the playoffs. Tampa did exactly that.  After that, the breaking point for me was the Eagles dominating Arizona in the regular season in 2008 and then losing the NFCCG about 6 weeks after that to Arizona. I felt that Andy should've only been given one more year after that to win it all or come close to winning it all.

[CountBlah]

Johnson/Small -> Thrash/Pinkston  for all those years in a super pass happy offense.   Totally understandable to have less than stellar WRs in the 1st year of a rebuilding process.  But sticking with T/P for all those years was the 1st of MANY things that irked me about Andy.

That equated to being Pig-headed, and that how I will ultimately remember Reid.

[selassieyouth]

When Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb ran TO out of this town because he wanted to have as much security as McNabb.

TO showed up in the Super Bowl and had a better game than anyone else on the team.(WITH PINS AND SCREWS IN HIS ANKLE) McNabb upchucked his way to another close but no cigar finish.

I bet it went something like this:
TO said: Hey I showed up and he upchucked.
Can I have some of that personal security that he has because my contract is way back loaded and I wont even see much of my money for a while?

Eagles - NO we like McNAbb better than you because he is not a diva and he tows the company line.
TO - Fine I'll play for Dallas and go nowhere but neither will you because I was the missing piece that got you where you wanted to be.

[LaxPlayerX3]

Tie vs the Bengals

[October]

When Dmac couldn't throw his way out of a dodge ball tourny AR would still throw the ball.

When against the Panthers in the nfccg he forgot we had a rb's.

When in Denver, w/ Dmac having a hernia, he made him drop back almost every time.  As a result
Denver did something I HAD NEVER SEEN:  10 men on the line of scrimmage, it may have been 11,
to come after our qb.  

Simoneau.

[vsptroops]

2002 nfc championship game. right then, i really started to question whether reid had that "championship gene" in him.

[GoodGooglyMoogly]

The 2008 NFCCG did it for me.

Anyone know under Reid in which playoff game he ran the ball most?

[vic92353]

Nitro276, on 02 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

The decline of this team under Reid has been going on for awhile, I think we can all agree.  But, where did the red flag first go up for you?

For me, it was the abrupt release of Jeremiah Trotter after the second pre-season game in August '07.

At that time, I recall the official story being a combination of Trotter's declining speed and wanting to give the MIKE job to Omar Gaither.  I always found that suspicious considering that Trot was coming off a Pro Bowl appearance six months earlier and that Takeo Spikes had been brought in to play alongside him.  A few years later, I heard through a reliable, personal source that the Eagles just did not want to pay Trotter on that big contract they had given him.

The list is sooooo long I really don't have the time right now.  

[dmor]

Yeah, he made his mistakes for sure.  Thing is though that everybody is quick to jump on the guy for his mistakes and short on giving him credit for his successes.

Think of like this for those of you who have jobs - how would you like it if you busted your butt, and did a good overall job, but during evaluation time, your boss pointed out every slip up on your part and failed to give you credit for all the good you did?

[DawkinsOwnage03]

The Kolb-Mike Pick fail

[Kolbfan4]

Monday morning when he was fired.

[Eagle Gator 12]

right here

[Hopdevil]

I was good up until Kolb.  Even that draft pick at the time was a complete head scratcher.  The way that was packaged to the fan base and then quickly became "Vick's our guy" was odd.  It worked out but quickly went south without trying to stop the bleeding (Vick's Turnovers).  That was the first time to me he was power drunk or whatever.  Then he just fortified it with the Castillo thing.  Then I knew he lost it.

[superdawk20]

Eagle Gator 12, on 02 January 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

right here

  Super Bowl loss and this^^! Also the Dumbest thing he ever did was Castillo to D cord. but I knew we were never winning a Super Bowl with Andy long before that!!!

[Esage]

CaliEagle, on 02 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

In 2002 was the first red flag.   We had an out of shape Kirkland in the middle and Blaine Bishop with a bad foot at safety.  I knew that good teams could scheme to take advantage of that in the playoffs. Tampa did exactly that.  After that, the breaking point for me was the Eagles dominating Arizona in the regular season in 2008 and then losing the NFCCG about 6 weeks after that to Arizona. I felt that Andy should've only been given one more year after that to win it all or come close to winning it all.

That was my breaking point.

[MrPhilPhil]

I've been frustrated for years but I didn't give up until around the first Cowboys game this year.  I actually think it was actually think it was the Juan Castillo FIRING and how that played out.

[NOTW]

Even in his successful early years I was frustrated with his handling of the WR position and felt McNabb needed that help.  He needed a top 10 WR and Reid kept giving him scraps.

Letting Trotter go and replacing with Kirkland pissed me off.

2003 the WR problem was truly exposed and he finally did something about it with TO but by then it was the last year of his 5 year plan and they lost in the SB and never got back to that level.

But the final red flag for me was 2006.  When McNabb got hurt and Garcia stepped in Reid started running a more balanced offense and less bombing for the big play all the time.  People wanted Garcia over McNabb but didn't realize it was the play calling.  The playoff game vs. the Saints that year, Reid's play calling and game management were horrible.  Short yardage situations and he would call a FB screen or WR screen that lost yards instead of running the ball or at least putting the ball in Westbrook's hands.  I knew then Reid would never recover and get the team back to a Superbowl.

The rest was on the decline and more examples of Reid's bad decision making.

[L.E.]

I had my doubts about Reid after the Bucs NFCCG. The Panthers the following year confirmed those doubts. I've been off the Reid bandwagon since then. Yes, I've been waiting for this year for a long time.

[CountBlah]

That time when we went pass, pass, pass, punt a couple times in a row in the second half and let the other team back in the game.

[RUEagle]

2008 NFCCG loss.  I knew it was over then.  Worst loss in sports history for me.  2001-2004 all sucked with a minor pissed-off moment in 06.  2008, though was the finale.  Have known since then that there is no way we would ever win it all w/ Reid.

[skyboca]

When he insisted on keeping David Culley and refused to get real WRs. Super Bowl clock management was an embarrassment.

[jReese]

I still don't think  it was Reid. I do think it was Reid's time to go, but i believe strongly these past 2 years struggle was on Roseman.

[JRoy]

Year 2000. He had a year under his belt and proceeded to prove that he was infact not a game day coach.