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[Marinomanx013]

In my fourth installment, I've been looking at possible trade down scenarios. As usual, I don't include any FA in my mock drafts, even though they would play a factor in the rebuilding process, but I tried to address as many areas as possible.

For the sake of argument, we'll say the Redskins finish with around the 26th pick in each round; of course, their 1st rounder belongs to St. Louis and let's say the Rams find someone they just gotta have.



PHI sends their - 1st round pick (4th overall) in the draft and a 2014 4th rounder (and a player if necessary)
to STL for their - 1st round, 4th round, and WSH's 1st round pick (16th, 22nd, and 26th overall)


Using the old and new draft pick trade value charts to evaluate the fairness of the deal:

EAGLES send away the 4th pick and a 2014 4th rounder (and a player if necessary)...
Old: 1800 pts + change
New: 1850 pts + change

RAMS send away 16th, 22nd, and 110th...
Old: 1000 + 780 + 74 = 1854 pts
New: 950 + 800 + 80 = 1830 pts

(Close enough? Take these supposed trade values with a grain of salt; they're the ones generally referenced to when people discuss draft pick trading scenarios.)



Somehow get an extra 5th round pick (from trading someone that doesn't fit in with the new scheme, or collectively from trading multiple people... I just need one extra 5th, haha )



*R1, pick 16 - Eric Fisher - OT - Central Michigan - 6'8, 305
Originally had Jake Matthews here, but he's returning to school. With a dropoff after Joeckel, Lewan, and Fisher here, this is probably about where Fisher will go. Hasn't faced top competition yet, so if he flounders try to take Lewan, but Fisher has been a dominator so far this season.

*R1, pick 26 - Xavier Rhodes - CB - Florida State - 6'2, 205
A cornerback with the requisite speed, plus size, and plus skills for the position.

*R2, pick 35 - Matt Elam - SS - Florida - 5'10, 205
Only thing about him I don't like is his height, but this kid can ball with anyone. Really tenacious.

*R3, pick 67 - Gerald Hodges - OLB - Penn State - 6'2, 234
Strong overall linebacker. I like rounds 2-4 for going after LB's, and Hodges and Kendricks on the outsides could be great.

*R4, pick 98 - Jordan Matthews - WR - Vanderbilt - 6'3, 200
Gives us a receiver who could maybe replace DJax or JMax somewhere down the road, if we decide to part ways with one (or either) of them.

*R4, pick 110 - Joseph Fauria - TE - UCLA - 6'7, 258
Hopefully he's still here, I've been hearing about other TE prospects over this guy. Great size, obviously, and has the receiving skills to make this a solid pick.

*R5, pick 129 - Andrew Jackson - ILB - Western Kentucky - 6'1, 265
Skov is likely returning to school... so the small-school product Jackson goes here. Great leadership, lays the wood, may struggle a bit in pass coverage but I'm fine with a 5th round LBer playing 2 downs if need be, as long as he can bring some extra attitude to the huddle, which I think he definitely can... if he's taken, I'd take Kiko Alonso, the LB from Oregon.

*R5, pick 1?? - Blaize Foltz - OG - TCU - 6'4, 310
Not a very well known guy, but would be a fantastic pick here. Strong as an ox. Could definitely be a starter down the road. (Mathis and Herremans won't be around forever... sort of already counting Watkins as a loss)

*R6, pick 163 - Lonnie Pryor - FB - Florida State - 6'0, 229
Millard is returning to school... so in with Pryor. Reminds a bit of a young Leonard Weaver, can probably add a few more pounds to his frame.

*R7, pick 194 - Quinn Sharp - P - Oklahoma State - 6'1, 205
Averaged 46 yards per punt this past season, one of the best punters in the country. Hope he's still here.


Hopefully you guys enjoyed this, or at least found it amusing if you thought it sucked... I've given far more thought to this mock than I'd care to admit, and I've come to the conclusion that I actually rather like this mock.


(Urgh, why can't we just have Joeckel, Lotulelei, Milliner, Te'o, AND Elam? I don't need any other picks after those, I swear... )

[ThaPhenom]

I actually like this mock draft

[BirdGang45]

Thumbs up draft.

[Footballman175]

beautiful draft. rhodes and elam would be amazing

[morphius12812003]

Why are the rams trading TWO 1st round picks, remind me please?  They already have a franchise QB.

[Marinomanx013]

Maybe they want Joeckel... although admittedly I don't know how Saffold or Smith are doing.

Maybe they want to parlay their two first rounders this year into a higher pick to make sure they get their guy. Especially knowing they have extra STILL from Washington.

Idk. I'm pretending they have a reason, I guess.

[Golfesv]

I was actually starting to think this way as well. I love Joeckel and want him bad but I think we may need to trade back and acquire more picks. I like your scenario however I believe Matthews is headed back to school otherwise this would be a best case scenario for the birds as far as the first few rounds and I prove it 100%!

[MCoster]

Solid if Matthews didn't say he was going back. Guess u could replace him with fisher and it'd still be fine by me

[Marinomanx013]

Dang! Thanks for the heads up, all. I could replace Matthews with Fisher or even Lewan, if his pass protection can improve.

[Golfesv]

Yea i like Fisher or Lewan, then picking up Rhodes then hopefully picking up Elam and Hodges that would **** away if they could pull that off!!

[shady4mvp]

solid mock draft.

[NWMontana]

Matthews is not ready for the NFL.... Otherwise not bad at all

[IHateDemCowboys]

Good mock.

[LuciusLeftFoot]

morphius12812003, on 03 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Why are the rams trading TWO 1st round picks, remind me please?  They already have a franchise QB.

To grab a franchise LT to protect Bradford... It works out on the Value Chart, as he explained.

[phillygrump]

morphius12812003, on 03 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Why are the rams trading TWO 1st round picks, remind me please?  They already have a franchise QB.

I was wondering myself what their motives would be. Maybe they want Lotuleilei or Te'o or Joeckel. You never know. If St. Louis was a trade partner that deal is fair and accurate.

[Couch Potato]

Unfortunately, I can't see the Rams playing ball with us on this one.

But if they did, then your draft is terrific.

[VmprBlood]

One thing I would change is the fullback.If we bring in Chip Kelly I would draft Lonnie Pryor from FSU.He reminds me alot of Weaver.

[Eagle89]

I like this mock as well.  I would like it better if we got another safety late.  A guy that I like is Dexter McCoil from Tulsa.  He's 6-4 and has 18 career INTs.

[Marinomanx013]

EDITED: Replaced Jake Matthews (OT, Texas A&M, returning to school) with Eric Fisher (OT, Central Michigan).

[Marinomanx013]

If McCoil would be available as an UDFA, I'd definitely take a flyer on him. Hell, I want about 20 total DBs on this team after UDFA activity.

I only took Sharp because sometimes punters aren't taken in the draft with the expectation that a team will be able to grab a guy in UDFA. So I had us swooping in and nabbing him.

[RastaPasta]

Very good mock. I'd love to get two 1st's out of this round with the depth at OT.

[BtotheH]

Fisher, Rhodes and Elam.....with Hodges as icing on the cake. I would be happy with that draft.

[Marinomanx013]

Here's what one version of a shortened depth chart without free agency would then look like with these picks (ages at the start of the 2013 NFL season):

QB: Foles (24), Edwards (29)

RB: McCoy (25), Brown (22)
FB: Pryor (23)
WR: Jackson (27), Maclin (25), Matthews (21), Avant (30)
TE: Celek (28)
WR/TE: Fauria (23?)

OT: Peters (31), Fisher (22)
OG: Mathis (31) , Herremans (31), Foltz (23?)
C: Kelce (26)

DE: Cole (30), Graham (25), Curry (25), Hunt (27)
DT: Cox (22), Thornton (26), Jenkins (32)

OLB: Kendricks (22), Hodges (22)
ILB: Ryans (29), Jackson (21?)

CB: Rhodes (23), DRC (27), Boykin (23)
FS: Allen (25)
SS: Elam (21?)

K: Henery (26)
P: Sharp (23)


That future looks like fairly solid, I think.

[Footballman175]

that secondary has the potential to be dominant. Just have to live UP to their potential. Yes, that means you DRC.

[Golfesv]

Yea this would be on paper one of the best drafts we have had if it went down like this! I think our secondary would be much improved I love getting hodges too it would be icing on the cake! I saw him play against navy this year he and mauti are great together

[Marinomanx013]

EDITED: Replaced Trey Millard (FB, Oklahoma, returning to school) with Lonnie Pryor (FB, Florida State).

[Ray75]

I would be estatic if this would be the outcome come april! DREAM senario!!!

[Couch Potato]

Nothing official yet, but Shane Skov tweeted that he'd be returning for his senior year.....

https://twitter.com/...678715708731392

...so you might want to think about another LB in R5 - may I be so bold as to suggest Kiko Alonso?

[Marinomanx013]

Yeah, I saw that and I was super bummed because I really think the kid could be a vocal leader for a defense. Almost a small, less talented Ray Lewis or Urlacher type of guy, persona-wise. And actually, if I was GM (which I'm totally not but I wish I was), I'd target Skov next draft barring any off-the-field issue occurring.

Alonso would be a solid choice, but I might lean more towards Andrew Jackson, the unheralded ILB from Western Kentucky. Sure, competition might be an issue, and Alonso might have better pass coverage, but Jackson can lay the hammer in run support. I figure if Kendricks and Hodges can man the outside with some speed, Jackson can be our "two-down thumper" or whatever you wanna call it and can learn from DeMeco. Also... "The President" would be a sick nickname.

But Jackson might go in round 3 or 4. If that happens, I'd be all for Alonso. In round 5, you don't have to try to draft an instant starter. Just draft a good football player with a great trait. Apparently Jackson is also a great leader with a "don't take crap from nobody" attitude... when WKU played an SEC team last year, Jackson went to the bench after a series and was like, "They supposed to be SEC!" *shakes head* Also, he idolizes Ray Lewis. For what it's worth, haha.

[Marinomanx013]

EDITED: Replaced Shayne Skov (LB, Stanford, likely returning to school) with Andrew Jackson (ILB, Western Kentucky)... with Kiko Alonso as an alternate pick.


Also EDITED: updated the pick from the Redskins to the 22nd pick, threw in trading an extra 4th rounder for 2014 and an extra player if need be. Namely, I have specific players who I'm targeting with these picks, so it's not that I'm saying get as many picks as possible in this draft, it's that there's a lot of guys in this draft I like.