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[birdyo]

I've heard a lot about how we should trust Lurie because he's done this before and he found Reid.  Don't get me wrong I love AR, and think that was a great choice for a HC, but was it the best one at the time?  Didn't Lurie have Super Bowl coaches Gruden AND Payton on his staff that he passed up for Head Coaching opportunities? So while he made a very good decision on Reid, I don't know if I trust him, Roseman, and Smolenski with this decision at all.

[#99]

All of the candidates are the same candidates the entire league is talking about.  If they hire someone that no one else interviewed then you are more than welcome to freak out.

[greend]

well who we gonna trust, you?

[birdyo]

I don't know who they get, I just think it's a bit shortsighted of him to go into this with only those two.  The thought's been we should trust him because he's done this in the past, when I think he maybe overlooked some better options that were right in front of him the last time he did this.

[ryguy552]

I think it's become clear that Kelly and O'Brien are their top 2 choices. If neither of those guys work out I think they turn to guys like Marrone, McCoy, Jay Gruden, etc. Still don't know why Greg Roman hasn't gotten any interviews? Seems like he's done solid with San Fran's offense.

[Mr_Philly]

ryguy552, on 03 January 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I think it's become clear that Kelly and O'Brien are their top 2 choices. If neither of those guys work out I think they turn to guys like Marrone, McCoy, Jay Gruden, etc. Still don't know why Greg Roman hasn't gotten any interviews? Seems like he's done solid with San Fran's offense.

I agree and between those two choices I like O'Brien.

[Moe_Green]

I like the denver OC McCoy. i like a guy who can get the most out of what he's got and has fl experience. Reid and co's biggest problem in my opinion was that they were rigid in what they wanted to do scheme wise and would force eveything into that scheme instead of modifying what they did based on the talent they had. Mccoy is the opposite of that

[Ipspots]

Did Lurie hire Ray Rhodes who instantly turned the team around into a playoff team? Yes he did

And when Rhodes's act wore thin, did Lurie fire Rhodes? Yes he did

DId Lurie hire Reid when he was an unknown? yes I believe he did....

Did he keep him a might too long? Perhaps, but it was after a pretty good playoff record....

Can he be trusted to hire another good HC?

I believe so...

So many of you have this belief that Lurie and Roseman are babbling idiots....


Yet Lurie has tried and for the most part put a competetive team on the field fairly consistently........

Yes I think so.

[craigj]

ryguy552, on 03 January 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I think it's become clear that Kelly and O'Brien are The Media's top 2 choices. If neither of those guys work out I think they turn to guys like Marrone, McCoy, Jay Gruden, etc. Still don't know why Greg Roman hasn't gotten any interviews? Seems like he's done solid with San Fran's offense.

fyp

[axe_man_trotter]

Not really sure how much I trust Roseman but we really don't have a choice. They're going to pick the candidate who impresses them the most whether we like it or not.

[Pallidrone]

It's not that I don't trust them. I just don't think they are going to find someone that is going to work out the first go around.

AR was perfect for Philly because he let things roll off his back and did not care what the media said. He did things his way come hell or high water. If he believed it was the right thing to do, he did it, regardless of the backlash that would come.

It is tough to find a coach like that.

[FanSinceWayBack]

Who else was a candidate 14 years ago before we hired Andy? Just curious. Did that hiring come out of no where or did people hear there was interest in GB's QB Coach?

[DonCornelious]

FanSinceWayBack, on 03 January 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Who else was a candidate 14 years ago before we hired Andy? Just curious. Did that hiring come out of no where or did people hear there was interest in GB's QB Coach?

Capers Haslett billick Alvarez were the big names.  AR was a name I first heard from Eskin the week before the SB.

[biglou22]

Ipspots, on 03 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Did Lurie hire Ray Rhodes who instantly turned the team around into a playoff team? Yes he did

And when Rhodes's act wore thin, did Lurie fire Rhodes? Yes he did

DId Lurie hire Reid when he was an unknown? yes I believe he did....

Did he keep him a might too long? Perhaps, but it was after a pretty good playoff record....

Can he be trusted to hire another good HC?

I believe so...

So many of you have this belief that Lurie and Roseman are babbling idiots....


Yet Lurie has tried and for the most part put a competetive team on the field fairly consistently........

Yes I think so.

LOL.
I guess the goofy fans think they should choose the next coach ??? Or maybe the clowns from the wondeful world of sports talk radio. Or maybe the dirty 30 crew.

Lurie has been one of the best owners in all of Professional sports and has done endless great things with the Eagles and this city.
So yes,,, I 100% trust Lurie.

Does that mean he will get it right ??? Probably not. History gives him less then a 5% chance of finding a better coach then Reid.
But that doesn't mean he didn't do his homework, and didn't try his hardest to get the best coach AVAILABLE.
And keep this in mind people. There are about 30 names being thrown around across the league to fill all the head coaching positions.
ANYONE WANT TO GUESS WHO IS CONSIDERED THE BEST CANDIDATE ???????

[AceofSpades]

FanSinceWayBack, on 03 January 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Who else was a candidate 14 years ago before we hired Andy? Just curious. Did that hiring come out of no where or did people hear there was interest in GB's QB Coach?

I remember hearing Jim Haslett's name thrown around back then.

[phillygrump]

I'd like either McCoy or O'Brien.

[biglou22]

AceofSpades, on 03 January 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

I remember hearing Jim Haslett's name thrown around back then.

My god. Could you imagine if Lurie would have hired that stiff. Hard to believe he keeps getting jobs in the NFL. Buy he is just 1 more name on that endless list of recycled failures that keep getting rehired by their buddy's.

[deevo82]

DonCornelious, on 03 January 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Capers Haslett billick Alvarez were the big names.  AR was a name I first heard from Eskin the week before the SB.

Haslett cocked up his interview big style - demanded no interference and was quite arrogant.

[dmor]

birdyo, on 03 January 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

I've heard a lot about how we should trust Lurie because he's done this before and he found Reid.  Don't get me wrong I love AR, and think that was a great choice for a HC, but was it the best one at the time?  Didn't Lurie have Super Bowl coaches Gruden AND Payton on his staff that he passed up for Head Coaching opportunities? So while he made a very good decision on Reid, I don't know if I trust him, Roseman, and Smolenski with this decision at all.

Sorry pal, didn't see this thread.  Gruden left while he was still on the club - I read somewhere that Lurie expressed regret that he should have kept Gruden over Rhodes.  As for Payton, do not forget that he was an assistant for several years under Parcells in Dallas before taking the NO job - and the Parcells coaching tree is mighty successful in the NFL overall.  He may not have had the success he's having now having not first worked under the Tuna.

I think Lurie has made a genuine, concerted effort to make a very prepared decision.  He hasn't done anything not to merit the benefit of the doubt from us.

[pgcd3]

I don't like the FO structure that Lurie has setup but I do believe he knows the qualities to look for in a good head coach

[VaBeach_Eagle]

birdyo, on 03 January 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

... Roseman...

That's where I am. I have no faith in him at this point. I hope I'm wrong though.

[NorCalEagle]

birdyo, on 03 January 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

I've heard a lot about how we should trust Lurie because he's done this before and he found Reid.  Don't get me wrong I love AR, and think that was a great choice for a HC, but was it the best one at the time?  Didn't Lurie have Super Bowl coaches Gruden AND Payton on his staff that he passed up for Head Coaching opportunities? So while he made a very good decision on Reid, I don't know if I trust him, Roseman, and Smolenski with this decision at all.

it's not like you really have a choice...

[TenaciousEagles]

There top 3 candidates IN ORDER are 1) Chip Kelly 2) Bill O'Brien 3) Mike Nolan.   They already struck out with number 2, just pray to god that they outbid the Browns for Kelly, if not, the Mike Nolan era begins...

[Moe_Green]

TenaciousEagles, on 03 January 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

There top 3 candidates IN ORDER are 1) Chip Kelly 2) Bill O'Brien 3) Mike Nolan.   They already struck out with number 2, just pray to god that they outbid the Browns for Kelly, if not, the Mike Nolan era begins...

please...someone with extensive nfl experience. we don't have time to wait for someone who needs to learn on the fly.

[Pallidrone]

Moe_Green, on 04 January 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

please...someone with extensive nfl experience. we don't have time to wait for someone who needs to learn on the fly.

We don't?

The roster is a complete mess and needs to be gutted. This is not going to be a quick turnaround and people are fooling themselves if they think it is.

If they get the right coach it is going to take a few years before they are good again. The only bonus is that there is a lot of youth on the Eagles, so they can grow with the new coach.

[Ipspots]

Pallidrone, on 04 January 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

We don't?

The roster is a complete mess and needs to be gutted. This is not going to be a quick turnaround and people are fooling themselves if they think it is.

If they get the right coach it is going to take a few years before they are good again. The only bonus is that there is a lot of youth on the Eagles, so they can grow with the new coach.

I agree the roster needs a make over

But it can be done in 2 seasons...

First:

Dump these:   Nnambi, Vick, Allen, Coleman


Need Peters, Herremans, and Kelce all back healthy

Now you need to find 1-2 Oline starters (draft and F/a)
2 Safeties (this is the hardest part of the turnaround)
1 starting CB and 1 Nickle (Marsh, Hughes Boykin?  Or F/A or Draft)
1 LB  (f/a or draft)

Need to resolve QB.... Is Nick Foles the guy, can he develop?  Or do you need to look at guys Like Alex Smith or maybe next years Draft.... This obviously is the big question mark, BUT  can be resolved within 2 years

Then you need to build depth everywhere

So basically 6 new starters...... get the Oline healthy and figure out the QB...

Can easily be done

[Pallidrone]

Ipspots, on 04 January 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

I agree the roster needs a make over

But it can be done in 2 seasons...

First:

Dump the cancers on the team:   Nnambi, Vick, Allen, Coleman


Need Peters, Herremans, and Kelce all back healthy

Now you need to find 1-2 Oline starters (draft and F/a)
2 Safeties (this is the hardest part of the turnaround)
1 starting CB and 1 Nickle (Marsh, Hughes Boykin?  Or F/A or Draft)
1 LB  (f/a or draft)

Need to resolve QB.... Is Nick Foles the guy, can he develop?  Or do you need to look at guys Like Alex Smith or maybe next years Draft.... This obviously is the big question mark, BUT  can be resolved within 2 years

Then you need to build depth everywhere

So basically 6 new starters...... get the Oline healthy and figure out the QB...

Can easily be done

So we are expecting 300+ linemen to come back healthy from

1) 2 Achilles surgeries.
2) A torn ACL and MCL surgery
3) A obscure broken foot injury that damaged ligaments and tendons in the foot

I would be surprised if one of them are actually healthy and back to speed next year. You are most likely looking at replacing the entire line with the exception of Mathis.

If they cut Nnamdi then you are looking at 2 starting CBs. DRC would need to be resigned and most likely they will let him walk.

Patterson and Jenkins most likely will not be here as well. So you need at least another starting DT.

You need at least 1 more WR. You need a QB. Then on top of that you need decent depth.

This team has a lot more needs then just 6 new starters and that is not going to happen in one off season.

[odin8888]

phillygrump, on 03 January 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

I'd like either McCoy or O'Brien.

My first choice is McCoy, not sold on Kelly, and O'Brien is out ...

[Pallidrone]

I am on the Chip Kelly bandwagon.

Most likely he is going to fail at this level, but he is a smart guy, a hard worker and his offenses are exciting to watch.

I would really enjoy watching the Eagles in a no huddle offense, going for 2 whenever they want and trying to keep drives alive when it is 4th down.

[evilwaldo]

LOL