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[bfisher01]

dave,have you ever heard anything like this floating around eagles land from any other players? http://www.philly.co...722&cid=8500281

[evilwaldo]

If anything he should be grateful Andy gave him a second chance after crapping up the bed in Washington.

[CaliEagle]

He's telling the truth.  It's a little messed up, but I think there is honesty there.

[mjkvol]

I heard it, and it's about damn time.

Trotter was dead honest, and right on target.

[downundermike]

bfisher01, on 03 January 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

dave,have you ever heard anything like this floating around eagles land from any other players? http://www.philly.co...722&cid=8500281

I 10000% agree with everything Trotter said.

[CaliEagle]

JJ seemed like a go with the flow kind of guy. But, it had to kill him to see that and to have virtually no talent at LB and have all the LBs shuffled from weakside to middle to strong as if it didn't matter where they played. Andy kept that pattern going after JJ passed on.  There is no way that JJ would've wanted that.  But, JJ seemed like a guy who didn't complain much, just worked with what he had.

[evilwaldo]

Trotter is an overrated piece of ish.  Jealous that McNabb and Ike are on TV while he sits at home.

[CaliEagle]

evilwaldo, on 03 January 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Trotter is an overrated piece of ish.  Jealous that McNabb and Ike are on TV while he sits at home.

I do think Trotter should've waited to say that until Andy was retired.  It was honest, but insensitive  in terms of the timing and there should be a little respect that he should have towards his coach as a former player.  But, it was honest, so I don't think it is slanderous by any means.

[NorCalEagle]

trotter was two steps from openly blowing reid when reid brought him back...

[evilwaldo]

NorCalEagle, on 03 January 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

trotter was two steps from openly blowing reid when reid brought him back...

[VaBeach_Eagle]

bfisher01, on 03 January 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

dave,have you ever heard anything like this floating around eagles land from any other players? http://www.philly.co...722&cid=8500281

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So how does the 11-year-vet-turned-radio-host rate Reid as head coach?

"On a scale of one to 10, 10 being great, I give [Reid] a seven and a half or eight as a coach."

That's not really "Ripping" his coaching abilities. It's saying he was a good, not great coach.

[CT Eagle]

This isn't news....Reid wasn't great on Sundays

[VaBeach_Eagle]

bfisher01, on 03 January 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

dave,have you ever heard anything like this floating around eagles land from any other players? http://www.philly.co...722&cid=8500281

I'm listening to him now. This article is totally disingenuous...

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"As a defense, we understood we passed the ball too much. You know, there's times we're sitting over there like, 'Man, listen. Just get us a couple of first downs so we can get a break.' And I'm sure it frustrated Jim Johnson also."

This makes it sound like Trotter is talking about the Eagles and the run/pass ratio and all of that. But the quote "You know, there's times we're sitting over there like, 'Man, listen. Just get us a couple of first downs so we can get a break.'" was about Steve Spurrier, not Andy Reid and the part of "And I'm sure it frustrated Jim Johnson also" doesn't even go with that quote.

Anyone could sit and listen to a 2 hour radio broadcast, such as this one, and take random sentences out, splice them together and then make it sound like anything they want.

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"Steve Spurrier came into the league and he wanted to take 5, 7 step drops every play, without having hot routes and he almost got the quarterback killed down there. I remember standing next to him one day in practice and he (the QB) threw a 3 yard checkdown, and in a game if you throw a 3 yard checkdown, running backs can fall forward for 2 more... now you're looking at 2nd and 5. But he (Spurrier) turns and looks at me and says 'man, I don't like that, we have to go deeper down field!'. And the quarterback was in the training room every single day (hurt). But as a defense, we're saying just get us a couple of first downs to give us a break. But he wasn't able to make that transition."

The conversation was about Spurrier and college coaches trying to make the transition from college to the NFL

[iinvincible]

Trotter should be our linebackers coach; he speaks the truth.

[ckudrick]

Trotter is always ripping former coaches, players and the organization ... yet he signed here THREE different times.  Hmm ....

[VaBeach_Eagle]

ckudrick, on 03 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Trotter is always ripping former coaches, players and the organization ... yet he signed here THREE different times.  Hmm ....

He didn't actually "rip" anyone though. Not in this instance anyway.

[ckudrick]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

He didn't actually "rip" anyone though. Not in this instance anyway.

No, I don't think he did either in this instance ... but it's not uncommon for him.  He's entitled to his opinions but he just seems to have a lot of negative things to say about a place he came crawling back to twice and who still employed him on game days this season.

[f_dallas]

If you ignore the headline and read the link, this is what it says:

1. Andy Reid got out-coached in a lot of big games.

2. AR wasted a lot of timeouts.

3. AR didn't run the football enough.

4. AR is still a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 as a coach.


If I had to argue with any of those points, it would be #4.

[mjkvol]

f_dallas, on 03 January 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

If you ignore the headline and read the link, this is what it says:

1. Andy Reid got out-coached in a lot of big games.

2. AR wasted a lot of timeouts.

3. AR didn't run the football enough.

4. AR is still a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 as a coach.


If I had to argue with any of those points, it would be #4.

My feeling exactly.

The most damning (and stunning to hear) part was his comment that in a game with equal talent, where it came down to coaching, that Reid would normally lose.     He followed that up with the bit about big games.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

f_dallas, on 03 January 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

If you ignore the headline and read the link, this is what it says:

1. Andy Reid got out-coached in a lot of big games.

2. AR wasted a lot of timeouts.

3. AR didn't run the football enough.

4. AR is still a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 as a coach.


If I had to argue with any of those points, it would be #4.

If you read the article and ignore the audio of the broadcast, you still won't get what Trotter said. Not in the way he said it anyway. The article twisted things to point at Reid when the actual dialog was aimed at Spurrier, so you really can't trust the article for anything.

[Runtherock]

There is nothing new here. Trott has said the same thing for a long time. He has always given Reid respect, always said he was a very good coach overall, but has always also said he passed too much, did not give the D enough of a blow, and was not a good game day coach---all of which is true. Trott was a great Eagle, a four time Pro Bowler, a two time All Pro, and if JJ didn't finally replace Simawho with him we don't go to the Super Bowl.

[PoconoDon]

Trotter thinks Andy Reid was/is a good coach but not a great coach.

I think Andy Reid was/is a good coach but not a great coach.

I agree with Trotter.

Wherever he signs, that team will be getting a good coach, just not a great one, and I'm fine with that....it's not like we lost Bill Walsh.

[badmeetsevil]

This is not "ripping".

[RPeeteRules]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 January 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'm listening to him now. This article is totally disingenuous...

This makes it sound like Trotter is talking about the Eagles and the run/pass ratio and all of that. But the quote "You know, there's times we're sitting over there like, 'Man, listen. Just get us a couple of first downs so we can get a break.'" was about Steve Spurrier, not Andy Reid and the part of "And I'm sure it frustrated Jim Johnson also" doesn't even go with that quote.

Anyone could sit and listen to a 2 hour radio broadcast, such as this one, and take random sentences out, splice them together and then make it sound like anything they want.

The conversation was about Spurrier and college coaches trying to make the transition from college to the NFL

I'm listening to it now and you're correct.

[RPeeteRules]

Westbrook mentioned on the air today that Reid wasn't outcoached in big games, and then cited the Super Bowl as an example, saying the 3 INT's hurt, but they were right there with the Patriots in spite of that still.

[KOJO]

RPeeteRules, on 04 January 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Westbrook mentioned on the air today that Reid wasn't outcoached in big games, and then cited the Super Bowl as an example, saying the 3 INT's hurt, but they were right there with the Patriots in spite of that still.

I respect Westbrook a ton but everybody knows that's a heaping load of horsecrap.

[downundermike]

RPeeteRules, on 04 January 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Westbrook mentioned on the air today that Reid wasn't outcoached in big games, and then cited the Super Bowl as an example, saying the 3 INT's hurt, but they were right there with the Patriots in spite of that still.

I will cite the 3 NFCCG that Reid was outcoached in big games.

I will also cite that same superbowl that Reid was outcoached in big games.

[RPeeteRules]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 January 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'm listening to him now. This article is totally disingenuous...



This makes it sound like Trotter is talking about the Eagles and the run/pass ratio and all of that. But the quote "You know, there's times we're sitting over there like, 'Man, listen. Just get us a couple of first downs so we can get a break.'" was about Steve Spurrier, not Andy Reid and the part of "And I'm sure it frustrated Jim Johnson also" doesn't even go with that quote.

Anyone could sit and listen to a 2 hour radio broadcast, such as this one, and take random sentences out, splice them together and then make it sound like anything they want.

The conversation was about Spurrier and college coaches trying to make the transition from college to the NFL

I just got to the part where Trotter does say quote that the original writer is talking about, so he is correct.  It's just that Trotter says it about Spurrier as well.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

RPeeteRules, on 04 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I just got to the part where Trotter does say quote that the original writer is talking about, so he is correct.  It's just that Trotter says it about Spurrier as well.

Ok, the browser crashed on me about an hour into the broadcast and I didn't re-start it.

[RPeeteRules]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 January 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Ok, the browser crashed on me about an hour into the broadcast and I didn't re-start it.

It was really strange, because it sounded like I was listening to the same part from earlier in the broadcast.  It makes me wonder if that's what many defensive players think when they're on the sideline and the offense is struggling at times (for all teams).