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[craig_78]

What do you guys think?  Will Andy try to make a trade and take Foles to KC.  They need a QB there and the draft is weak for QBs this year.

[Stein411]

Number 1 pick please

[bobbywizdum]

Stein411, on 04 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Number 1 pick please

you think foles sucks yet is worth the #1 overall pick in the draft? lmao

[McNabbNOT4MVP]

Foles for Eric Berry?

lmao.

[GreenMtEagle]

Stein411, on 04 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Number 1 pick please

Tell us you are kidding right?

[mike030270]

Stein411, on 04 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Number 1 pick please

That would be utterly stupid for KC

[CMPunk]

Andy Reid had better not even ATTEMPT to steal our SAVIOR

[Mr_Philly]

I wouldn't trade Foles only because that leaves us very little options at QB,  this is not the best year to be drafting a QB and there won't be much out there in FA.

[goeagles5039]

I would trade Foles for Eric Berry, Jamal Charles, Tamba Hali, any good offensive linemen they have, and their 1st round draft pick.

[Ramiah]

Stein411, on 04 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Number 1 pick please

What...

[Innocence096]

goeagles5039, on 04 January 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

I would trade Foles for Eric Berry, Jamal Charles, Tamba Hali, any good offensive linemen they have, and their 1st round draft pick.

think that is enough for Foles?

[#99]

Reid can find a QB anywhere to give him what Foles brings.  Foles might be an NFL caliber QB but he's not a once in a ilfetime player.  This is crazy talk.  He can draft anyone in the 3rd round of this draft and have the same thing, maybe something better.

I know everyone will want to respond with "weak draft" and "no QBs", but dont forget last year was "no QBs after Luck", then "no QBs after the top 2", then "wow how did everyone overlook Wilson".  Foles was part of that group that no one really cared about last year.

Not saying he sucks or can't start.  But he is 100% replaceable, even we can live without him and we have no other QB worth playing.

[DoctorWhom]

Honestly, I can see AR thinking he can "fix" Matt Cassel, but drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. But who cares. Whatever.

[Iceman44]

CMPunk, on 04 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Andy Reid had better not even ATTEMPT to steal our SAVIOR

Yeah!! Leave our great hope alone.

[#99]

DoctorWhom, on 04 January 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Honestly, I can see AR thinking he can "fix" Matt Cassel, but drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. But who cares. Whatever.

Exactly, he'll draft a guy like Collin Klein in a late round and groom him under Cassel.  Only way he starts a rook is if he finds one he likes at #1.

[time2rock]

craig_78, on 04 January 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

What do you guys think?  Will Andy try to make a trade and take Foles to KC.  They need a QB there and the draft is weak for QBs this year.

With the weak QB crop this year, maybe Andy brings his boy Vick to KC once he is cut here to get him through 2013 and then looks to draft his QB in 2014.

[bobbywizdum]

#99, on 04 January 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Reid can find a QB anywhere to give him what Foles brings.  Foles might be an NFL caliber QB but he's not a once in a ilfetime player.  This is crazy talk.  He can draft anyone in the 3rd round of this draft and have the same thing, maybe something better.

I know everyone will want to respond with "weak draft" and "no QBs", but dont forget last year was "no QBs after Luck", then "no QBs after the top 2", then "wow how did everyone overlook Wilson".  Foles was part of that group that no one really cared about last year.

Not saying he sucks or can't start.  But he is 100% replaceable, even we can live without him and we have no other QB worth playing.

you have no idea what foles will be. Could every team just get another tom brady in the 6th round just because that is where he was drafted? Foles is just some easily replaceable 3rd round pick but andrew luck is a once a decade player right? Foles had better numbers than luck in their same amount of starts. Is that saying foles will be better than luck? No. Based on the knoweldge we have in front of us though he could be every bit as good. If that is the case he certainly wouldn't be easily replaceable by any 3rd round pick.

[CaliEagle]

If the Eagles sign Chip Kelly, then this is a real possibility. Kelly's system is based on speed and movement. If you watch Oregon, the QB is always using boot action. That presents the threat of the QB run. Foles is not ideal for Kelly's system because defenses don't have to worry about Foles running it on those option boots. If the Eagles sign Kelly, they will probably go after Geno in the draft. I would prefer the Eagles to keep Foles and bring in a coach that will run the WCO.  If Foles doesn't fit his system, then the Eagles could easily trade Foles to KC for a draft pick.

[TV Guy]

Sure.

Chiefs get Foles and a 7th

Eagles get Charles, Bowe, Hali and Berry

[BIGPHILLY]

Mike Vick is going to KC.

[bobbywizdum]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

If the Eagles sign Chip Kelly, then this is a real possibility. Kelly's system is based on speed and movement. If you watch Oregon, the QB is always using boot action. That presents the threat of the QB run. Foles is not ideal for Kelly's system because defenses don't have to worry about Foles running it on those option boots. If the Eagles sign Kelly, they will probably go after Geno in the draft. I would prefer the Eagles to keep Foles and bring in a coach that will run the WCO.  If Foles doesn't fit his system, then the Eagles could easily trade Foles to KC for a draft pick.

which would be the dumbest move this front office could make. Let's give up on the promising rookie so we can run an offense based on mobile qb's and option reads.......yuck.

[CaliEagle]

bobbywizdum, on 04 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

which would be the dumbest move this front office could make. Let's give up on the promising rookie so we can run an offense based on mobile qb's and option reads.......yuck.

This is why the Eagles' FO would be wise to make the QB the focus of their coaching decision. Some organizations go almost 20 years without finding a good QB. So, if you think Foles could be that guy, then you better bring in a head coach that will use a system that Foles will thrive in. Jay Gruden or Mike McCoy would be a much better fit for Foles.

[#99]

bobbywizdum, on 04 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

you have no idea what foles will be. Could every team just get another tom brady in the 6th round just because that is where he was drafted? Foles is just some easily replaceable 3rd round pick but andrew luck is a once a decade player right? Foles had better numbers than luck in their same amount of starts. Is that saying foles will be better than luck? No. Based on the knoweldge we have in front of us though he could be every bit as good. If that is the case he certainly wouldn't be easily replaceable by any 3rd round pick.

There will be other QBs to come into the league, Foles wasn't the last good QB ever.  I think you are missing the point.  Reid doesn't have to drop everything and figure out how to wrestle Foles from PHI.  He can find someone else with that potential.  Has nothing to do with what Foles is or isn't.

[bobbywizdum]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

This is why the Eagles' FO would be wise to make the QB the focus of their coaching decision. Some organizations go almost 20 years without finding a good QB. So, if you think Foles could be that guy, then you better bring in a head coach that will use a system that Foles will thrive in. Jay Gruden or Mike McCoy would be a much better fit for Foles.

i agree whether foles is or isn't that guy. One reason i kind of thought they should have kept andy one more year is to see what we really have in foles so we can make a clearer decision on what we want. I truely don't even think jeffrey knows what he wants and is basically just waiting for the best talking coach to woo him with his idealistic vision. One thing i know for sure is that if a system "requries" a mobile qb in order to run it ...it will not last long in the nfl. Mobility is a bonus and should be used as such. It is not a foundation that should be built upon.

#99, on 04 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

There will be other QBs to come into the league, Foles wasn't the last good QB ever.  I think you are missing the point.  Reid doesn't have to drop everything and figure out how to wrestle Foles from PHI.  He can find someone else with that potential.  Has nothing to do with what Foles is or isn't.

but your exact words were foles is easily replaceable and can probably even be upgraded in the 4rd round. Would you say the same thing about luck? He certainly isn't going to be the last qb to come into the league.

[kmass88]

#99, on 04 January 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Reid can find a QB anywhere to give him what Foles brings.  Foles might be an NFL caliber QB but he's not a once in a ilfetime player.  This is crazy talk.  He can draft anyone in the 3rd round of this draft and have the same thing, maybe something better.

I know everyone will want to respond with "weak draft" and "no QBs", but dont forget last year was "no QBs after Luck", then "no QBs after the top 2", then "wow how did everyone overlook Wilson".  Foles was part of that group that no one really cared about last year.

Not saying he sucks or can't start.  But he is 100% replaceable, even we can live without him and we have no other QB worth playing.

Stop it you're making too much sense. And they'll probably call you a Vick licker even though you didn't mention his name anywhere in that post. But mainly because you claimed that Foles was average right now.

bobbywizdum, on 04 January 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

i agree whether foles is or isn't that guy. One reason i kind of thought they should have kept andy one more year is to see what we really have in foles so we can make a clearer decision on what we want. I truely don't even think jeffrey knows what he wants and is basically just waiting for the best talking coach to woo him with his idealistic vision. One thing i know for sure is that if a system "requries" a mobile qb in order to run it ...it will not last long in the nfl. Mobility is a bonus and should be used as such. It is not a foundation that should be built upon.



but your exact words were foles is easily replaceable and can probably even be upgraded in the 4rd round. Would you say the same thing about luck? He certainly isn't going to be the last qb to come into the league.

Redskins and their 7 straight game win streak. Home playoff game. And everybody and the tv camera mans momma biting on their play action. Disagree with you.

While RG3 isn't a scramble first guy. That offense IS built around his mobility.  Same thing with Russell Wilson. So sick and tired of hearing this argument.

[bobbywizdum]

kmass88, on 04 January 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Stop it you're making too much sense. And they'll probably call you a Vick licker even though you didn't mention his name anywhere in that post. But mainly because you claimed that Foles was average right now.

the point is you don't know what foles can be. Claiming you can just get another foles in the 3rd round is hogwash. If foles turns out to put kerry collins ok...if he turns out to be big ben...then the claim wouldn't hold much water. He performed just as well as luck yet luck is a once in a lifetime player. THe fact is ....foles is being prejudged by his draft round status by some instead of what he actually showed on the field. The only one who has brought up vick is you.....licker.

[#99]

bobbywizdum, on 04 January 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

i agree whether foles is or isn't that guy. One reason i kind of thought they should have kept andy one more year is to see what we really have in foles so we can make a clearer decision on what we want. I truely don't even think jeffrey knows what he wants and is basically just waiting for the best talking coach to woo him with his idealistic vision. One thing i know for sure is that if a system "requries" a mobile qb in order to run it ...it will not last long in the nfl. Mobility is a bonus and should be used as such. It is not a foundation that should be built upon.



but your exact words were foles is easily replaceable and can probably even be upgraded in the 4rd round. Would you say the same thing about luck? He certainly isn't going to be the last qb to come into the league.

Yes in my opinion he is not a once in a lifetime QB.  But even if he was, Reid isn't going to turn the Chiefs upside down to get him when "his specialty" is finding them and coaching them up.

In my opinion there are QBs coming out that have just as much potential as Foles and some with a lot more.  Using your theory, "you can't say they do or they don't yet" either.  Why can you write off ever other QB I might compare to Foles, but I can't look past Foles?

No, I do not like Vick and I not want him here next year.

[forevereagles]

bobbywizdum, on 04 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

you think foles sucks yet is worth the #1 overall pick in the draft? lmao

The logic of some people! Gotta wonder about them.

[Nivraga]

#99, on 04 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

There will be other QBs to come into the league, Foles wasn't the last good QB ever.  I think you are missing the point.  Reid doesn't have to drop everything and figure out how to wrestle Foles from PHI.  He can find someone else with that potential.  Has nothing to do with what Foles is or isn't.

It comes down to cost - If the Eagles offerred Foles to KC or if KC inquired about Foles availability the question would be what do the Eagles want in return AND what is KC willing to part with. Determining the Eagles new HC will determine Foles value to the Eagles. If it's somone like Mike McCoy then Foles value to the Eagles will likely be higher than any team would be willing to offer. On the other hand if Chip Kelly is hired than the Eagles will be active shopping Foles and he will be priced to sell.

If you think it is as easy done as said to just pluck a starting quality QB from the 3rd round you should go have a look at the QB's drafted over the last decade - absolutley pathetic. And the pathetic list has some names that showed potential just like Nick Foles - so his end story surely hasn't yet been written. The point is though from the perspective of a team in need of a QB - if you think a guy has real potential - you do what needs to be done (within reason) to get him. Nick Foles has shown he can play in the NFL - any draft pick is an unknown - does that mean Andy Reid will pony up the number one overall  - no, that would be absurd. KC's second - still absurd. But I believe they would seriously consider their 3rd. And I think that Foles potential upside makes him more valuable to the Eagles than that unless Chip Kelly is the coach.

[LaxPlayerX3]

Leave us QBless and then reach for one in the draft. No thanks.