52 replies to this topic

[dilluminati]

There is plenty of music left,
best of luck to Andy and Chip and I'm glad neither are in PHI next year

[CaliEagle]

I agree. I think the Browns and Chiefs moved a little too fast. The Eagles aren't taking too long. It's only been 6 days since the end of the season.  If Kelly is going to make a rash decision and if he really wants to live in Cleveland, then that's his choice.  The Eagles will do better by hiring a coordinator who can bring in the WCO and work with Foles and/or whatever QB we have here.  I don't think Kelly is going to have success at the NFL level.  All teams are fast in the NFL.  In college, some universities don't get the same caliber of recruits as others.

[deevo82]

Logic dictates that the best coaches/co-ordinators get their teams deep into the playoffs so we have to wait for some playoff teams to get knocked out before we can talk to them. Not a bad thing.

[dilluminati]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

I agree. I think the Browns and Chiefs moved a little too fast. The Eagles aren't taking too long. It's only been 6 days since the end of the season.  If Kelly is going to make a rash decision and if he really wants to live in Cleveland, then that's his choice.  The Eagles will do better by hiring a coordinator who can bring in the WCO and work with Foles and/or whatever QB we have here.  I don't think Kelly is going to have success at the NFL level.  All teams are fast in the NFL.  In college, some universities don't get the same caliber of recruits as others.

100% right and I'm sure that if Lurie and Co. were "desperate" to turnover the entire operations of the team to somebody that we could have hired him.
I think you are seeing two desperate teams doing desperate stuff.
I'm all for BPA in the draft and continuing taking the approach that was taken in the last draft
I'm not into some hybrid/special type of philosophy when I will be watching smash mouth football this weekend~
Wonderful theories these guys got but at the end of the day this is NFL football where everybody is a step faster

[eagles234]

Agreed, plenty of times and candidates left. My top choice would,be Lovie Smith but only if he brings in a strong offensive coordinator with him, like Norv Turner. I hope the eagles interview him at the very least

[deevo82]

eagles234, on 04 January 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Agreed, plenty of times and candidates left. My top choice would,be Lovie Smith but only if he brings in a strong offensive coordinator with him, like Norv Turner. I hope the eagles interview him at the very least

Difficult to argue against that. As long as Mike Tice does not come along for the ride.

[dilluminati]

eagles234, on 04 January 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Agreed, plenty of times and candidates left. My top choice would,be Lovie Smith but only if he brings in a strong offensive coordinator with him, like Norv Turner. I hope the eagles interview him at the very least

A mature organization will look for a genuine fit.
There is allot of time to evaluate competent talent and locate the right personnel

[eagles234]

dilluminati, on 04 January 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

A mature organization will look for a genuine fit.
There is allot of time to evaluate competent talent and locate the right personnel

Absolutely correct, and I trust the eagles to do that

[italianmafia23]

Big miss by both parties on the Chip deal. Every coach out there has bust potential. Chip just had the highest ceiling. It's maddening listening to so-called "experts" and fan callers on the repetitive absurd reasons why Chip wouldn't fit. "He's a system guy." Except that he's not. Ran two systems at two levels with success at both. "Foles won't fit his system because he can't run." Tell it to Tom Brady. "You can't win with a college coach." Jim Harbaugh had about as much NFL coaching experience as Duce Staley before Stanford, and about as much NFL playing experience as Steve Spurrier. Which was it that made him the good coach he is today?

Arians had an eye opening year with the Colts, but he's 60 years old with a mixed bag resume. Mixed bag though it may be, it certainly stands out more than Gus Bradley of Seattle. Younger for sure, but he's been in Seattle for 4 seasons. The first 2 the defense was trash. Did good drafting make the difference? Who made those picks? Mike McCoy did great things in recent years as QB coach, but is he head coach material, or another Jason Garrett?

[CaliEagle]

italianmafia23, on 04 January 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Big miss by both parties on the Chip deal. Every coach out there has bust potential. Chip just had the highest ceiling. It's maddening listening to so-called "experts" and fan callers on the repetitive absurd reasons why Chip wouldn't fit. "He's a system guy." Except that he's not. Ran two systems at two levels with success at both. "Foles won't fit his system because he can't run." Tell it to Tom Brady. "You can't win with a college coach." Jim Harbaugh had about as much NFL coaching experience as Duce Staley before Stanford, and about as much NFL playing experience as Steve Spurrier. Which was it that made him the good coach he is today?

Arians had an eye opening year with the Colts, but he's 60 years old with a mixed bag resume. Mixed bag though it may be, it certainly stands out more than Gus Bradley of Seattle. Younger for sure, but he's been in Seattle for 4 seasons. The first 2 the defense was trash. Did good drafting make the difference? Who made those picks? Mike McCoy did great things in recent years as QB coach, but is he head coach material, or another Jason Garrett?

Kelly seems like an overly compulsive guy. The guy goes for two after the first TD in a game. Then, he doesn't even meet with more than one NFL team before deciding his future and to live in Cleveland?  Supposedly, he even said before the Bowl game that he wanted to decide his future fast. Seems to me that shows poor judgment. Most rational people are going to want to take in as much info as possible before just blindly jumping into a situation.

[italianmafia23]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Kelly seems like an overly compulsive guy. The guy goes for two after the first TD in a game. Then, he doesn't even meet with more than one NFL team before deciding his future and to live in Cleveland?  Supposedly, he even said before the Bowl game that he wanted to decide his future fast. Seems to me that shows poor judgment. Most rational people are going to want to take in as much info as possible before just blindly jumping into a situation.

Compulsive? No, that's Reid. Chip Kelly is calculated. He goes for it on 4th down and goes for two point conversions so much based on statistics. He's a moneyball style coach.

[iluvdaeagles]

the tag team of lovie and norv great

[ryguy552]

Eagles keep dragging on the process and they will be left without a chair.

[iluvdaeagles]

ryguy552, on 04 January 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Eagles keep dragging on the process and they will be left without a chair.

mccoy
lovie
norv
nolan

we will end up with that kinda guy

[italianmafia23]

iluvdaeagles, on 04 January 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

mccoy
lovie
norv
nolan

we will end up with that kinda guy

What miserable prospects....

edit: I do like McCoy, but I'm skeptical of whether he is head coach material. Seems just like Jason Garrett to me.

[CaliEagle]

iluvdaeagles, on 04 January 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

mccoy
lovie
norv
nolan

we will end up with that kinda guy

No.  We might go with McCoy. But, I don't see Lurie/Roseman bringing in a retread HC. I think we bring in a coordinator like McCoy, Gruden or Arians.

[dilluminati]

My point is this: Lurie has had plenty of time to consider a head coach replacement
Considering the circumstances he handled Reid with decorum
Finally we could have kept Reid or hired Kelly if we had tossed an offer they could not refuse
And the prospect of Reid again or unproven Kelly with complete control is foolish
I wish both of these HC's the best, but think these are hasty signings and essentially a roll of the dice

If Lurie had really believed that either Reid or Kelly were the best for the team I have confidence in greed and self-serving motives that he would have acted in his best self interest

I have confidence that Lurie will do OK when this is all said and done

[ryguy552]

iluvdaeagles, on 04 January 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

mccoy
lovie
norv
nolan

we will end up with that kinda guy

Don't love that list. I think they are focusing more on offensive minded guys that are younger and aren't retreads.
McCoy
Gruden (Jay)
Roman

I think it will be one of these guys

[italianmafia23]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

No.  We might go with McCoy. But, I don't see Lurie/Roseman bringing in a retread HC. I think we bring in a coordinator like McCoy, Gruden or Arians.

Sources close to Gruden said he is definitely not coming to Philadelphia. The assumption is he isn't interested in coaching at all. I'm not a fan anyway, but all of the candidates have major questionmarks in my opinion.

dilluminati, on 04 January 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

My point is this: Lurie has had plenty of time to consider a head coach replacement
Considering the circumstances he handled Reid with decorum
Finally we could have kept Reid or hired Kelly if we had tossed an offer they could not refuse
And the prospect of Reid again or unproven Kelly with complete control is foolish
I wish both of these HC's the best, but think these are hasty signings and essentially a roll of the dice

If Lurie had really believed that either Reid or Kelly were the best for the team I have confidence in greed and self-serving motives that he would have acted in his best self interest

I have confidence that Lurie will do OK when this is all said and done

I think he went hard for O'Brien at the expense of Chip Kelly and got burned.

[CaliEagle]

italianmafia23, on 04 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Sources close to Gruden said he is definitely not coming to Philadelphia. The assumption is he isn't interested in coaching at all. I'm not a fan anyway, but all of the candidates have major questionmarks in my opinion.



I think he went hard for O'Brien at the expense of Chip Kelly and got burned.

Are you talking about Jay or Jon? I'm talking about Jay.

[ryguy552]

italianmafia23, on 04 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Sources close to Gruden said he is definitely not coming to Philadelphia. The assumption is he isn't interested in coaching at all. I'm not a fan anyway, but all of the candidates have major questionmarks in my opinion.



I think he went hard for O'Brien at the expense of Chip Kelly and got burned.

Cleveland went after O'Brien as well didn't preclude them from getting Kelly.

[italianmafia23]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Are you talking about Jay or Jon? I'm talking about Jay.

I was talking about Jon, sorry.

ryguy552, on 04 January 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Cleveland went after O'Brien as well didn't preclude them from getting Kelly.

They got to him first so they had more time to react.

[dilluminati]

italianmafia23, on 04 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Sources close to Gruden said he is definitely not coming to Philadelphia. The assumption is he isn't interested in coaching at all. I'm not a fan anyway, but all of the candidates have major questionmarks in my opinion.



I think he went hard for O'Brien at the expense of Chip Kelly and got burned.

Current media spin (this newspaper will be shoved under hotel room doors around the globe)

New Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner are clearly enamored with Kelly's schemes that helped lead Oregon to a 46-7 record during his four-year tenure. There surely will be some tinkering with his offense, though the New England Patriots have run snippets of his up-tempo approach, and read-option looks have made their way to the NFL level over the past few seasons.

If Kelly indeed signs with the Browns, it means Banner won a face-off with his former employer, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie.

The Eagles are now in a delicate spot, because Kelly, Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter and Penn State's Bill O'Brien were among their top candidates. Koetter chose to remain with the Falcons, while O'Brien said Thursday night he will return to Happy Valley. The Eagles had met with O'Brien earlier in the day.

The Eagles will interview Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley next week after their teams play their first playoff game. They've already interviewed Falcons' special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong and Atlanta defensive coordinator Mike Nolan.

http://www.usatoday....browns/1810305/


I love the part tinkering I think Chip Kelly will be Andy Reid mini-me~
Welcome to the NFL Chip you aren't running over college boys

[italianmafia23]

I'm just not enthusiastic about any of the remaining candidates. I hope they make the best of what's available at this point, but my expectations aren't high. Arians seems like the best remaining option. McCoy close behind. Either way, I see us fishing for a new coach 2-3 years down the line.

[CaliEagle]

dilluminati, on 04 January 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

Current media spin

New Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner are clearly enamored with Kelly's schemes that helped lead Oregon to a 46-7 record during his four-year tenure. There surely will be some tinkering with his offense, though the New England Patriots have run snippets of his up-tempo approach, and read-option looks have made their way to the NFL level over the past few seasons.

If Kelly indeed signs with the Browns, it means Banner won a face-off with his former employer, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie.

The Eagles are now in a delicate spot, because Kelly, Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter and Penn State's Bill O'Brien were among their top candidates. Koetter chose to remain with the Falcons, while O'Brien said Thursday night he will return to Happy Valley. The Eagles had met with O'Brien earlier in the day.

The Eagles will interview Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley next week after their teams play their first playoff game. They've already interviewed Falcons' special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong and Atlanta defensive coordinator Mike Nolan.

I love the part tinkering I think Chip Kelly will be Andy Reid mini-me~
Welcome to the NFL Chip you aren't running over college boys

I have a feeling the Eagles really like Jay Gruden, but the media hasn't figured it out yet. He seems like a Lurie type of choice. He's only 45 years old. He's not a big name candidate, but has done quite well at improving Cincy's offense over the past few years. He has won championships in the UFL. Even if it is the UFL, winning championships shows the ability to take a team to a higher level. Gus Bradley could really be an interesting choice, too. Seattle's D has been pretty damn good the past 2 years and his name hasn't really come up that much yet as a HC choice.

[iluvdaeagles]

italianmafia23, on 04 January 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

I'm just not enthusiastic about any of the remaining candidates. I hope they make the best of what's available at this point, but my expectations aren't high. Arians seems like the best remaining option. McCoy close behind. Either way, I see us fishing for a new coach 2-3 years down the line.

yup

:/

[dilluminati]

CaliEagle, on 04 January 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

I have a feeling the Eagles really like Jay Gruden, but the media hasn't figured it out yet. He seems like a Lurie type of choice. He's only 45 years old. He's not a big name candidate, but has done quite well at improving Cincy's offense over the past few years. He has won championships in the UFL. Even if it is the UFL, winning championships shows the ability to take a team to a higher level. Gus Bradley could really be an interesting choice, too. Seattle's D has been pretty damn good the past 2 years and his name hasn't really come up that much yet as a HC choice.

I'm not sure but lets discount the Reid signing, I cannot speak for anyone else but I'm glad he is done and gone, will he sell some tickets and create some hope in KC?
Yes

On Chip Kelly, he already stated that he wanted "complete control" and then a news release that to paraphrase was: "not complete control but allot of it."  Will he sell tickets in CLE?
Yes

On the Eagles there are still lots of qualified candidates~  and don't discount a dark horse candidate

[VaBeach_Eagle]

dilluminati, on 04 January 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

There is plenty of music left,
best of luck to Andy and Chip and I'm glad neither are in PHI next year

I don't know that I wanted Kelly either, but what does it say about the Eagles if he took the Browns job without even talking to the Eagles?  It's gotta be Howie...

[dilluminati]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 January 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

I don't know that I wanted Kelly either, but what does it say about the Eagles if he took the Browns job without even talking to the Eagles?  It's gotta be Howie...

I don't know that, maybe it was the wonderful oral sex during the job interview that sealed the deal in CLE?

[CaliEagle]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 January 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

I don't know that I wanted Kelly either, but what does it say about the Eagles if he took the Browns job without even talking to the Eagles?  It's gotta be Howie...

also Buffalo was involved.  I don't know if living in or near Cleveland is worse than working with Howie. If Cleveland is the Mistake By The Lake, then what is Howie?