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[T. McGee]

Of all the people we are interviewing, hopefully we finally get someone in here who can lead men. Not to the sandwich shop, buit on the football field. I always felt AR was not strong enough to handle strong minded, outspoken players (like Weapon X) who were beneficial. The time from T.O to now proved that. And don't say Vick because Vick has never been the vocal type. Instead he left us with a roster of young (good thing), but unproven leaders. We need a coach with enough self confidence to not mind delegating authority and empowering others on this team. That's how successful teams work.

So before we start naming all the CFB HC's and NFL coordinators we want, we need to be searching for leaders, not necessarily successful O and D schemers. I hope the new HC hires the brilliant schemers as their OC and DC, while the HC is out there kicking A$% and getting this roster to play to their potential (or finding players who will).

Do you have faith Howie and JL know how to find that person? I believe in JL, but not sure about Howie.

[HaroldTheSecond]

In all fairness, the "young but unproven" part is the salary-cap-obsessed FO's doing - and since I'm old enough to remember the "Amazin' Mess" left by the Mike McCormack era, an overreactive fear of this team ever lurching in that direction again.

[BirdGang45]

Staay Schemin!

[T. McGee]

I've just read posts where some are concerned because Jay Grudens offense looked bad last night or Mike McCoy is great because he has adapted his offenses the last couple of years. Of Chip Kelly is not good because his O won't work in the NFL. Really I think we should be more concerned about having a strong leader. That may mean puitting away their scheme ala Tomlin with Debeau.

I don't mind young, but there needs to be a veteran presance with a voice. Hoping Ryans is that person. Apparently he didn't do good enough with all the reports coming out about players not wanting to be led or even gining an ish.

[T. McGee]

_{Just read on NFL.com that the Eagles are using the QB combo of Vick and Foles to bring in Chip. I hope this isn't really turning into a bidding contest with Banner just to say they won. Seriously, keeping Vick? Why at this point? Hopefully he is not the reason Kelly comes. He is not a leader. He needs to be on a team with leaders in place, not a young team that needs leaders.}

[The_Talon]

I am not really concerned who the HC is, I'm more concerned in the results. But Kelly (if he is the front runner) does seem to show strong leadership abilities.

[dramacydal27]

Ugh, this topic has been played out. Especially since when people are still wishing for people on the team to "be a vocal leader". We don't have any, because if we did the fall wouldnt have been so bad. Ryans is a lead by example leader, not a vocal.

Also this starts at the top, the ego's and all of that need to go. I would like to see any coach who understands what this team went through last season and hold them all accountable. You don't want to try? Ok you can sit.

Bottom line is there are players in this league who will open their mouth and will hold their friends and teammates accountable. Dawkins did it, Peyton does it, theyre are plenty of players who do it. We need the coach to do it as well.

A coach can only do so much, he can't force a player to try, if they arnt willing to put in the time then remove them. We never had this problem before, how we let this happen is beyond me.

[craigj]

Vick is a cancer in the locker room. He really needs to go.

[dawkins4prez]

You will find great head coaches in history that were on both sides of the spectrum, but the Schemers win by a long shot:

Schemers = Bellicheck, Bill Wlash, Holmgren, Sean Payton, Joe Gibbs.

Leaders = Bill Parcells, Ditka, Cowher, Jimmy Johnson

[axe_man_trotter]

Mike Singletary was supposedly a good leader, you see how that worked out.

You need a little of both

[vaeaglefan71]

I hope you all know that Vick will NOT be an eagle next year......

[axe_man_trotter]

vaeaglefan71, on 06 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

I hope you all know that Vick will NOT be an eagle next year......

I think that's pretty obvious

[vaeaglefan71]

axe_man_trotter, on 06 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

I think that's pretty obvious

Well to some and not all if they think that bringing in Kelly has anything to do with Vick......

[axe_man_trotter]

vaeaglefan71, on 06 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

Well to some and not all if they think that bringing in Kelly has anything to do with Vick......

Only the morons think Vick will be back

[vaeaglefan71]

axe_man_trotter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Only the morons think Vick will be back

True dat!

[dawkins4prez]

axe_man_trotter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Only the morons think Vick will be back

The case isn't 100% shut.  Chip Kelly has about a 40% chance of ending up being the guy and if he is there is about a 25-35% chance they keep Vick.

Unlikely, but not completely crazy, especially since there is next to nothing available at Qb this off season.

[Utebird]

yeah true reid did  such a horrible job with dawk and all those other coaches did such a bang up job with T.O

[William Rudy]

axe_man_trotter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Only the morons think Vick will be back

The Eagles must retain Mike Vick.  He is a very dynamic player who can run and is also is fast.  Must I also mention his leadership skills?  He did get a few of his teammates to attend the players only meeting that he called.  What a guy!!!  

[Cappeeler]

What about a Cleveland Steamer???

[T. McGee]

dramacydal27, on 06 January 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

A coach can only do so much, he can't force a player to try, if they arnt willing to put in the time then remove them. We never had this problem before, how we let this happen is beyond me.

The point I was making is AR didn't want players to lead. That is why he stocked a team of young players with no leaders. He seemed to be threatened by outspoken players (just my take). We need a coach who can lead and have leaders below him. Captains in the true sense, not because of position. He inherited B Dawk. He died with TO and got scared off from that point.

vaeaglefan71, on 06 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

Well to some and not all if they think that bringing in Kelly has anything to do with Vick......

The NFL.com report says Howie and JL are using Vick as an asset in their discussions with Kelly.