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[patpikunas]

Dave,

I know that Jeffrey Lurie stated that he feels the Eagles HC position is one of the best jobs in the NFL and you, not surprisingly have agreed strongly. I have always felt that way too but as a diehard and lifelong fan, maybe I am too close to it to view it objectively.

After reading this article, I have to admit I am having second thoughts about how great a job this is for an outsider......

Help me feel better here Spuds.......How would you respond to this writers opinion that the following 4 reasons are to be considered when looking objectively at the appeal of the Eagles HC job:

• Unsettled/uncertain QB
  
• Rebuilding the roster on Def (he also could have included Off Line)
  
• GM Howie Roseman and the reporting structure into Jeffrey Lurie
  
• Pressure from a passionate fan base

http://espn.go.com/b...-the-eagles-job

[Runtherock]

I wrote virtually the same thing on TaTe. I want a check.

[patpikunas]

Runtherock, on 07 January 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

I wrote virtually the same thing on TaTe. I want a check.

Haven't been in TATE in several days.... so I guess great minds think alike-- but maybe the ESPN writer Graziano is a troll

[Mr.BigKnuckles]

I read that article.

So Chip Kelly stayed in Oregon and wasn't ready for the responsibility of being an NFL head coach. That doesn't make Philly a less desirable place to be a coach. He either just wasn't ready or was playing the field to get mo' money!

There are only 32 head coaching positions and 5 of them remaining. They are all coveted jobs.

[patpikunas]

Mr.BigKnuckles, on 07 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

I read that article.

So Chip Kelly stayed in Oregon and wasn't ready for the responsibility of being an NFL head coach. That doesn't make Philly a less desirable place to be a coach. He either just wasn't ready or was playing the field to get mo' money!

There are only 32 head coaching positions and 5 of them remaining. They are all coveted jobs.

Some more than others

[NJTroop]

The unsettled roster is not a deal breaker for any coach that has nuts. Any confident coach will believe in his system and his ability to select talent to remake the roster. However, reporting to the band geek who never even played peewee football could be an issue.

[DaveSpadaro]

I think it's very desirable, obviously. There is talent here. There is room under the cap to make moves. Jeffrey is a great owner. Team spends a lot of money and invests resources in football, more than most teams. Great fans. Great facilities. I think you have to understand that teams looking for coaches have a lot of flaws. That's why the teams are looking for coaches. A pretty darn good track record here the last 14 years. Jeffrey treats his coaches the right way. He's very loyal and very patient. He stays out of the way on personnel matters. He doesn't hog attention.

[mjkvol]

All of that may be true, Dave, but the one thing you neglected to mention was the Roseman factor.

Now I know little about him other than what has been said by Lurie, and the fact that he was schooled by Banner, both of which don't fill one with too much confidence.    The question is whether his presence, and the amount of power he has regarding personnel are negative factors for a coaching candidate, especially more notable ones.

Care to comment?

[PoconoDon]

Traditional NFL model:  The guy in charge of player personnel (GM) rose through the ranks, paid his dues on the road, and proved for many years that he is a terrific judge of talent, is well connected in every college conference, is connected with all 31 teams, is a shrewd negotiator but people still want to deal with him, knows the job of everyone under him because he's done them, knows a great scout when he sees one, and because of all these things, he garners the loyalty of his subordinates, and is WELL RESPECTED around the league.

Eagles model: To manage, you don't need any hands on experience in the real world doing the jobs of those you manage....theory is enough, and you just have to be organized and detail oriented. It's a model that is often used in many industries, but rarely has the level of success hoped for when it is employed......there's a big, long, learning curve that is fraught with miscues.

When it comes to player contracts, I have faith in Howie's abilities.....the rest of it? Not so much......and I wonder if H.C. candidates are put off by the potential problems that he represents.

[patpikunas]

Howie seems to be the elephant in the room through this change process and potentially now under a larger microscope than whoever the new HC is.

We can only second guess now and hope for the best because Lurie seems to be very enamored and comfortable with Howie in the GM seat

[PhillyPhan13]

Until I hear it from a named coaching candidate Howie is only an issue for fans.

[PoconoDon]

patpikunas, on 08 January 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Howie seems to be the elephant in the room through this change process and potentially now under a larger microscope than whoever the new HC is.

We can only second guess now and hope for the best because Lurie seems to be very enamored and comfortable with Howie in the GM seat

pat,

i hope for the sake of the team and the mental health of the fan base, that Lurie knows a whole lot more than anyone outside the team does....if this turns out to be just another case of ignoring the obvious, I think I'll finally just go into "wait until he sells" mode.......like with Braman.

PhillyPhan13, on 08 January 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Until I hear it from a named coaching candidate Howie is only an issue for fans.

You won't....the NFL doesn't operate that way. I can't imagine someone who chooses to go to another team caring at all to say anything negative about the Eagles.

[MR-CYN]

From 79- 08 Georgia Frontiere ran the Rams with an accountant in charge for most of the time.  The Rams made the playoffs 14 seasons, played in 25 postseason games, won 13 postseason games, reached the Super Bowl three times and won the championship game once in 2000. Relax guys, Howie's got this.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 08 January 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

All of that may be true, Dave, but the one thing you neglected to mention was the Roseman factor.

Now I know little about him other than what has been said by Lurie, and the fact that he was schooled by Banner, both of which don't fill one with too much confidence.    The question is whether his presence, and the amount of power he has regarding personnel are negative factors for a coaching candidate, especially more notable ones.

Care to comment?

One could argue that the new HC would have more control with the Eagles than most other teams.  He reports to the owner (not the GM), and Howie in theory, should be more responsive to the coaches view and opinions given his lack of experience and the organizational structure.
Would a guy like Jon Grudin or Lovie Smith work with a GM like Howie ? Probably not unless Howie was open sitting in the back seat.
Would an up and coming coch like McCoy or Bradley prefer to work side by side with Howie instead of working for a more senior GM ?  If they were confident guys, I think so.
Clearly if the candidate views Howie as a neophyte, it won't work.
The question of how much power the new HC has vs the GM should be dependent on how seasoned the new HC is.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

DaveSpadaro, on 08 January 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

He doesn't hog attention.

Cough... Jerry Jones... cough...

[c_u_in_tampa]

patpikunas, on 07 January 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Dave,

I know that Jeffrey Lurie stated that he feels the Eagles HC position is one of the best jobs in the NFL and you, not surprisingly have agreed strongly. I have always felt that way too but as a diehard and lifelong fan, maybe I am too close to it to view it objectively.

After reading this article, I have to admit I am having second thoughts about how great a job this is for an outsider......

Help me feel better here Spuds.......How would you respond to this writers opinion that the following 4 reasons are to be considered when looking objectively at the appeal of the Eagles HC job:

• Unsettled/uncertain QB
  
• Rebuilding the roster on Def (he also could have included Off Line)
  
• GM Howie Roseman and the reporting structure into Jeffrey Lurie
  
• Pressure from a passionate fan base

http://espn.go.com/b...-the-eagles-job

What do you think Dave is going to say? He is going to tote the company line. "All is well here, nothing to see, move along"

[Runtherock]

So Jay Gruden is just the latest to not feel privileged to work here.

[TenaciousEagles]

After all the firings the Eagles were probably the 4th best job opening available.  1) Bears 2) Chiefs  3) Chargers 4) Philly

They just have to hope that the Bears and Chargers aren't going after the Eagles "current" top target.  I think that is why the Eagles are going to end up settling for Bradley, no other team wants him.